All resort non-smoking

[eyeheartgoofy]

However - as my wife pointed out (and I said in the closed thread) - what happens on June 1st? I doubt the smoking rooms will be renovated - so now people who request "Non-smoking" will be told they are all non-smoking only to be put in a room that for the last 15+ years has been a smoking room and will smell and behave just like one. Yuck...

I was just thinking the same thing - the smoking rooms need to be totally cleared out (furnishings, carpeting, etc.) in order for the rooms to be smoke free.

 

[ammo]

You can't step inside for 15 minutes while someone has a cigarette?

Now there's something many nonsmokers can agree with, assuming it is really just 15 minutes (not a series of successive 15-minute smokes). But again, there is much more to Disney's decision than nonsmokers' desire not to breathe second-hand smoke on their balconies. This is primarily a money matter, which includes issues such as exhorbitant property insurance rates (smoking on balconies is a fire risk, which leads to higher insurance premiums). I am sure this was a complicated decision involving months of analysis and a score of factors.

 

[MrsNick]

At DVC, I AM THE OWNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry that you are so upset with the new policy. There are a few things you could do:

1) You can write Disney and let them know that you are unhappy with the policy.
2) You can suck it up.
3) You can sell your interest in DVC and purchase a timeshare that does allow smoking.
4) Or you can stay home.

That's about it. None of these may be palatable options to you, but this is what you can do. Fortunately, it is still a free country, and we all have the ability to vote with our feet, but I do hope that you will be able to find a way to continue to enjoy your DVC.

 

[Chuck S]

Personally, I do not smoke...I haven't for several years. While I think overall the non-smoking policy (assuming adequate outdoor areas are provided) is a good thing, I do understand the disappointment of the DVC members that smoke or have family members that smoke. The smoking rooms were such a small percentage of the resorts, the chances of being assigned to one if you requested non-smoking was very minimal. I did accept a smoking room once at OKW, because it was ready when we arrived at 8am after an all night drive and I didn't want to wait for a non-smoking room. The first night was pretty awful, but the smell faded during our trip. But, I think that there are people who really can't "quit" smoking, as they are heavily addicted. And rooms OR an easily accessible area should be available to them. The purchase, possession and USE of tobacco products is legal...these people should not be singled out for "punishment." Those of you who feel strongly against smoking should perhaps better spend your time lobbying your state or federal government to ban tobacco products, even under the counter.

 

[jodifla]

I'm sorry that you are so upset with the new policy. There are a few things you could do:

1) You can write Disney and let them know that you are unhappy with the policy.
2) You can suck it up.
3) You can sell your interest in DVC and purchase a timeshare that does allow smoking.
4) Or you can stay home.

That's about it. None of these may be palatable options to you, but this is what you can do. Fortunately, it is still a free country, and we all have the ability to vote with our feet, but I do hope that you will be able to find a way to continue to enjoy your DVC.

I plan to write Disney, and call my guide.

I'm not sure what "suck it up" means. I don't smoke. DH smokes cigars, but he won't mind refraining.

This drives a wedge between us and older family members who DO smoke, and have been for years. They cannot just give it up. We bought DVC so they could enjoy time with grandchildren at Disney. Disney pretty much implicitly implied that would be the case with their smoking rooms.

I don't plan to give up my DVC over this. But I also will not give an inch when it comes to the fact I think smoker's rights (and remember, I'm not one, and don't even like smoking) are being trampled on, and that they are being treated like SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS!

I don't think anyone has EVER proven that they got cancer because someone was SMOKING OUTSIDE!"

 

[Inkmahm]

My dad is unable to quit smoking. He is frail, in a wheelchair, and cannot get around easily to smoking areas.

It is not he who is denying me, it is people LIKE YOU!

Not our fault if he can't/won't quite an obnoxious habit. You just don't want to see that it is his own fault, not ours, if your dad doesn't go to Disney with you.

I won't feel bad for you, your dad has a choice.

 

[dannyh23]

I don't think anyone has EVER proven that they got cancer because someone was SMOKING OUTSIDE!"

Some people are very, very, very sensitive to the smell of smoke, and it causes health problems other can just cancer (asthma, etc)

We all understand you are upset -- but your father can still smoke in Disney and in designated areas -- just not inside the Disney's hotel/timeshare rooms or on the balcony where it does effect others.

 

[mountainjourno]

Hmmm... I wonder how many BCV owners are smokers? Maybe this will cause a mass exodus, with loads of BCV points becoming available on the resale boards, so I can snap some up for a bargain.

Hoping...hoping!!

Okay - BCV smokers! You're rights are being TRAMPLED on! I hereby encourage you all to vote with your feet! (Particularly those of you will smaller contracts...um, I'm after a 50 point one in particular. Maybe two.) Go on - sell those BCV points!

 

[Inkmahm]

Smoker checking in. Both DH and I smoke, but not in our home, not around children, and only in our car with the windows wide open. We both work at places with designated smoking areas, which we always use. When at WDW we always seek out the designated smoking areas to have a cigarette. We try to be very considerate smokers.

We went to DLR last year and stayed at DLH, which has no smoking anywhere in the hotel. So for each cigarette we went to the designated smoking areas outside. It was admittedly a bit of a pain, but we made do.

The only part of this change that irks me a little is that I can no longer smoke on the balcony of my own room. But I understand that it could cause discomfort to my fellow resort goers so I will faithfully trudge to the designated smoking areas at my resort.

At the same time I ask for a little respect in that it is still my right to smoke in this country legally and if I'm obeying the rules don't come to where I am to start a campaign of anti-smoking.

Now THIS post I can agree with fully. If you are smoking in a designated smoking area, I have no right to expect you to stop. I have accidently sat down in the smoking area at MGM before while waiting for our Brown Derby reservation and instantly left when I smelled smoke and realized where I was. It's my fault if I didn't read the signs- I can't expect YOU to stop smoking just because I'm there!

I hope Disney keeps the designated smoking areas and that most people keep using them. I honestly can't say I've ever noticed a problem in the parks where people are smoking in non-designated areas. When I've smelled smoke it was ME walking through the smoking areas by mistake.

 

[ammo]

...these people should not be singled out for "punishment." Those of you who feel strongly against smoking should perhaps better spend your time lobbying your state or federal government to ban tobacco products, even under the counter.

Hi Chuck, what do you mean by punishment? Not being allowed to smoke in resort rooms? While I understand smokers' disappointment, in a world with serious injustice and problems (malnutrition, disease, war, etc.) it seems like hyperbole to call this punishment. It was an economic decision by Disney, and I am sure the Mouse is committed to providing smoking opportunities for its guests as long as it is economically feasible (we will have to wait and see if the accommodations are sufficient).

And why should we seek to outlaw tobacco if there are less extreme ways to minimize the collateral damage caused by smoking? I will not utter one word of criticism to smokers about what they are doing to their bodies -- that is their choice. My only concern is the effect on nonsmokers.

 

[hrsmom]

Smoke doesn't seep into everything outside.

You can't step inside for 15 minutes while someone has a cigarette?

Edited to add: Thanks for showing some concern for people in my situation.

I don't think it's fair that others should be expected to "step inside" to avoid smoke from someone else. Assuming that it's only 15 minutes, it's not too big of a deal, however, if it's someone who is a heavy smoker and smokes 4 cigarettes in an hour - well, then you've just kicked someone else off their balcony for an entire hour. How fair is that?

I realize you're upset, but you can't seem to see that others feel the exact opposite of you. You think non-smokers are impeding on the rights of smokers, but non-smokers feel that smokers impede their rights too. Non-smokers are forced to smell the smoke or go inside.

As a former smoker (who smoked for 15 years!), this policy doesn't bother me in the least. When I smoked I never smoked in my house because it makes everything stink and turn yellow!

I'm not sure what the solution is that will appease everyone, but I do think smoke-free rooms helps!

 

[keliblue]

In reality, you have been getting a bargain. Smoking increases room maintenance costs and property insurance rates for the resorts. To be fair, those additional costs should all be borne by smoking members, but DVC distributes these costs evenly among all members through the maintenance fees (same for smokers and nonsmokers). So smokers basically owe nonsmokers for 15 years of inflated MFs.

This is a hoot... do you really think MF's are going to go down What have you been smoking

 

[brittsmum1998]

I think smokers will agree, when we bought in we didn't not think our legal rights would be taken away. Just like when non smokers bought in they KNEW there were smoking rooms availble and smokers on the balcony. I'll say it again, I'm not sure why all the non smokers are getting smoking rooms, the only time I have been able to get a smoking room is at OKW, BWV's my "home" I've always reserved a SMOKING ROOM and ALWAYS gotten a NON SMOKING ROOM. I know I would have had second thoughts before buying in (and still would've, just would have thought twice ) I am most likely going to cancel my add on though. I hope at the Boardwalk you can smoke outside the doorway and EVERYWHERE along the boardwalk 'cause I certainly plan on doing so.

I don't feel like going back to the quote but to the people who feel it is unfair to pay for maintenance for cleaning smoking rooms, do you feel the same way paying the same amt of taxes as families w/ multiple children who go to public school?

 

[Chuck S]

Hi Chuck, what do you mean by punishment? Not being allowed to smoke in resort rooms? While I understand smokers' disappointment, in a world with serious injustice and problems (malnutrition, disease, war, etc.) it seems like hyperbole to call this punishment. It was an economic decision by Disney, and I am sure the Mouse is committed to providing smoking opportunities for its guests as long as it is economically feasible (we will have to wait and see if the accommodations are sufficient).

And why should we seek to outlaw tobacco if there are less extreme ways to minimize the collateral damage caused by smoking? I will not utter one word of warning to smokers about what they are doing to their bodies -- that is their choice. My only concern is the effect on nonsmokers.

Again, tobacco is legal to purchase, possess and use. Does it make sense to have a product that is legally available, then put so many widespread restrictions upon where it can be used? Name another product that has similar restrictions that can also cause severe damage to other folks by its use...alcohol..nope you can drink almost anywhere on Disney property, and it can affect your neighbors, especially if you then decide to drive, which is legal until you reach the blood level limit in your state.

Disney doesn't police their rooms to the point of not allowing an addict to illegally use syringes of narcotics...they will even provide a needle disposal kit, no questions asked, they will assume the person is an insulin diabetic. So basically, smokers have less rights in their room than illegal drug addicts.

And remember, they sell cigs at Disney.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I was wondering if this would be a good time to announce the newest offsite DVC resort - DVC Lorilar

Located in sunny Durham, NC, on the Lorilar Plantation, this resort provides smokers with the ultimate in vacation pleasures. Not only can you smoke in your room or on your balcony, you can also pick your own tobacco, dry it and make your own cigarettes. Or you can watch the entire process of cigarette making and purchase a freshly made carton as you leave.

All villas represent the golden age of Southern Hospitality with decor in pale yellow and light tan. The voice of every CM drips with honey. You are greeted with "Welcome Home" by Roz of Monster's Inc.

All cigarettes manufactured by members include the DVC logo on the paper at no extra cost. Take the time to purchase your DVC Lorilar points today. They're not going to last long.

 

[ammo]

I don't feel like going back to the quote but to the people who feel it is unfair to pay for maintenance for cleaning smoking rooms, do you feel the same way paying the same amt of taxes as families w/ multiple children who go to public school?

Another red herring that is irrelevant in the context of WDW's smoking policy. How would this justify sticking nonsmokers with the costs associated with smoking? If smokers want smoking facilities, they should be happy to pay any extra costs, including increased property insurance premiums.

 

[Inkmahm]

I don't feel like going back to the quote but to the people who feel it is unfair to pay for maintenance for cleaning smoking rooms, do you feel the same way paying the same amt of taxes as families w/ multiple children who go to public school?

No. I have no children, but educating the ones the rest of you have is good for society overall. I don't mind paying my taxes for the public schools. I can't say that smoking is good for anyone, much less society overall.

 

[LakeAriel]

I didn't go through all the posts but here is my 2 cents..I quit a 4 pack a day habit 12 years ago. I banked the savings and paid cash for my DVC membership. If I was still smoking and found out 30 days in advance I could no longer smoke in my "home away from home" I would be furious. I understand the health benefits, I have asthma, my Mom died of lung cancer etc etc.. I am happy with the new policy, I just think there was not enough warning given to people who are addicted to nicotine..It is not an illegal activity!

 

[F4disneyfan]

At DVC, I AM THE OWNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No actually you are not the OWNER as you so like to put it. You own points at a resort you do not own the room or the building you own an interest in the whole of DVC. DVD is the OWNER of the resorts we subsidise them so in all actuality you do not OWN the room.

 

[dannyh23]

I was wondering if this would be a good time to announce the newest offsite DVC resort - DVC Lorilar

Located in sunny Durham, NC, on the Lorilar Plantation, this resort provides smokers with the ultimate in vacation pleasures. Not only can you smoke in your room or on your balcony, you can also pick your own tobacco, dry it and make your own cigarettes. Or you can watch the entire process of cigarette making and purchase a freshly made carton as you leave.

Cool.... Can we request the Menthol or Unfiltered buildings as well?