All resort non-smoking

[ammo]

Just as people w/ no children should get a tax break and not have to pay for schools. I don't see too much of a differance. If my grandparents aren't going to be around to 'reap' the benefits of a good school system why should they pay?

There is a big difference -- Disney is a business, not a democratically elected government.

Also, if it is "wrong" to do one thing (as you seem to imply regarding property taxes), how does that justify committing some other wrong (charging nonsmokers for the costs of smoking at Disney resorts) in a completely different context (private entity vs. government municipality)?

 

[Chuck S]

And you probably know as well as I do that the low level of alcohol restrictions in Western society is an issue of political expediency, not necessarily a reflection of the true societal cost of alcohol.

In otherwords, Disney should put more restrictions on tobacco because it is simply more Politically Correct to do so, more than putting restrictions on alcohol use? Because alcohol is simply more in vogue these days than smoking?

 

[F4disneyfan]

I bought DVC. I have an investment there. I expect them to keep their end of the bargain, which included a few smoking rooms.

My dad would like to quit. He's never been able to. He's tried several times. And at 80, and at the end of his life, he's not going to stop now, just to the MOB (ie. people who think it's fine to make smokers second class citizens) happy.

Disney and DVD hold the rights to change policies without taking it to a vote or asking the DVC members so as for teh entitlement statement no they didn't promise anything and have the rights to take away certain things without prior notice. As for teh quitting I started smoking at 13 and quit at 22 no problems at all and I smoked a pack a day one day I just walked into teh store bought my smokes walked out opened them and looked at the pack that was it I decided no more I tossed them in teh trash and have never had one since and I am now 37. My dad a 2 pack a day smoker ran out of smokes one night this winter and didn't feel like running to the store to get more so he has never had another one since and he had been smoking since the age of 11 so to say it can't be done is not true it can be but the person needs to WANT TO.

ddave nope sorry not unless you plan on smoking at the sidewalk LOL. All our buildings have this policy up here also the smoking must be outside and atleast 30 feet from any entrance to the building.

 

[ddave]

You're welcome at MY house Dave. We don't smoke inside, but we have a really nice deck, right off the dining room.

DH even has some great cigars if you like those!

Great! I love it in Florida ;-) I'll be there around February. What are we having?

 

[Lady V]

I just think there was not enough warning given to people who are addicted to nicotine..It is not an illegal activity![/QUOTE]


not yet....

 

[Maistre Gracey]

In otherwords, Disney should put more restrictions on tobacco because it is simply more Politically Correct to do so, more than putting restrictions on alcohol use? Because alcohol is simply more in vogue these days than smoking?

I think there should be restrictions on both... but DIFFERENT restrictions.
In other words, I don't want to see someone lose their license and go to jail for smoking while driving.
On the other hand, alcohol doesn't leave a foul odor in the drapes, so I don't want that banned from the resorts.

Conversely, both drunk driving and smoking in the rooms should be punishable.

Just my opinion..

MG

 

[brittsmum1998]

There is a big difference -- Disney is a business, not a democratically elected government.

Also, if it is "wrong" to do one thing (as you seem to imply regarding property taxes), how does that justify committing some other wrong (charging nonsmokers for the costs of smoking at Disney resorts) in a completely different context (private entity vs. government municipality)?

I'm not saying its "wrong" I'm bringing another side to the argument that 'why should non smokers pay mf's for people that smoke'

I guess maybe we should charge another fee to have rooms examined after alcohol consumption so that I don't have to sit on chipped furniture too?

 

[jodifla]

Great! I love it in Florida ;-) I'll be there around February. What are we having?

First course, cigarettes, followed by some lovely pipe smoking, finished off by a round of cigars!

 

[smjj]

Does anyone know if this will effect the Disney cruise ships at all? I guess I could go over to that board but I am already here and figured as active as this thread is it will be just a few minutes before I have a answer...smjj

 

[DisneyDVCdad]

Smoking is is addictive! Just ask anyone who has tired to quit! To me that qualifies it as a drug! The only reason tobacco is still legal is for two reasons
1) The economy of the south would collapse if it was made illegal
2) The tobacco lobby is the strongest lobby in Washington
If you want to smoke that is fine but remember, that smoking endangers your health as well as everyone around you! The fact that most smokers won't smoke in their houses kinda says something doesn't it?

 

[westjones]

Does anyone know if this will effect the Disney cruise ships at all? I guess I could go over to that board but I am already here and figured as active as this thread is it will be just a few minutes before I have a answer...smjj

I was wondering the same thing. I hope so!
DJ

 

[ammo]

In otherwords, Disney should put more restrictions on tobacco because it is simply more Politically Correct to do so, more than putting restrictions on alcohol use? Because alcohol is simply more in vogue these days than smoking?

That's a joke, right? I am saying that Disney (and society in general) can put more restrictions on smoking *if necessary* than on alcohol because of a lack of political will. Take a look at the correlation between alcohol and traffic fatalities, sexual assault (particularly acquaintance rape), domestic violence, employee absenteeism, etc. No serious thinker believes that the level of collateral damage caused by smoking approaches the level of alcohol, but many would argue that we should do more to protect people from the misuse of alcohol, rather than do less to protect children and nonsmokers from the effects of smoke. More people probably died from alcohol-related traffic accidents during the week of April 16 than were killed at Virginia Tech, but politicians can't touch alcohol.

And it is probably true that smoking has a bigger impact on maintenance costs and property insurance premiums in the resorts than alcohol. So smoking is a more immediate concern for Disney -- convenient for Disney, not so convenient for smokers. But ultimately, this decision is about money.

 

[hrsmom]

No fair! You expect smokers to "step outside". Well, we do. But thats not enough! Not only do you expect that we step outside to smoke, you expect that we go down to the parking lot to an area where the wind won't blow it back to your patio.

Clearly you missed my point that all the smokers are crying "no fair" and there are two sides to it. Why should someone not be able to use their balcony because someone else is smoking? Do you honestly think that is fair?

I smoked for 15 years - I quit the day I found out I was pregnant with my daughter. I understand the need to smoke, heck, I still crave it and it's been 4.5 years since I quit. However, I just think that people need to try to look at it from both perspectives. I personally wouldn't care if someone was smoking on their balcony, however, if someone has a severe allergy they may take issue with it and it wouldn't be fair to them either. Like I said in my example what happens if the 15 minute smoke turns into an hour (or longer), there are lots of people who chain smoke.

 

[JerJan]

jodiinfla wrote: It would be perfectly practical to roll his wheelchair out to the balcony OUTSIDE for a cigarette, but now that is ruined by certain people who think THEIR rights trump MINE and my family's.

I'm an ex-smoker, and yes I know how hard it is to quit. But I don't, as a smoker, (when I was one) have the right to pollute the air that my asthmatic child breathes. It should be her CHOICE to inhale cigarette smoke and not have it forced upon her. In the meantime, it's my job as her parent to do everything in my power to keep her healthy!

 

[TMB1203]

Does anyone know if this will effect the Disney cruise ships at all? I guess I could go over to that board but I am already here and figured as active as this thread is it will be just a few minutes before I have a answer...smjj

While they have not mentioned the cruise ships, I wouldn't think they would make the ship non-smoking. With the resorts, you have the ability to go to a smoking spot. On a ship, there's no place else to go. They can't expect people to wait until they dock somewhere.

WDW is really following an industry trend. Other than a handful specialty ships that are designated non-smoking--cruise ships are not moving in this direction.

 

[F4disneyfan]

Does anyone know if this will effect the Disney cruise ships at all? I guess I could go over to that board but I am already here and figured as active as this thread is it will be just a few minutes before I have a answer...smjj

I have no idea and to be honest I didn't see anyone smoking on our cruise in Dec so I can't comment on the effect of it. I hope this carries over to the cruise ships also. I mean DLR are allready smoke free and now WDW will be so the next logical step is the ships and the parks.

 

[ammo]

I guess maybe we should charge another fee to have rooms examined after alcohol consumption so that I don't have to sit on chipped furniture too?

If this is increasing property insurance premiums and maintenance costs, then by all means push for it. Is this a problem at Disney? I haven't experienced it or read about it until now.

 

[jjk1107]

The parks were actually the first thing to go non-smoking except in designated areas. Looks like the only thing left is the cruise ships. Let's hope that comes soon!

 

[jodifla]

The parks were actually the first thing to go non-smoking except in designated areas. Looks like the only thing left is the cruise ships. Let's hope that comes soon!

Like this is a big problem? You already can't smoke in your room on the cruise ship.

 

[Finny]

No fair! You expect smokers to "step outside". Well, we do. But thats not enough! Not only do you expect that we step outside to smoke, you expect that we go down to the parking lot to an area where the wind won't blow it back to your patio.

Actually, some of us prefer you smoke in your smoking room with the doors and windows shut.

On our last trip, we were warm, and with the new AC units, we couldn't get the room to keep cool to our comfort level, so we opened the slider door for the breeze. Our room kept getting a smokey smell, so, we asked at the concierge desk, and go figure the room above us was a smoking room. Everytime they smoked on their balcony, we got a roomful of smoke. Yuck.