All resort non-smoking

[Horace Horsecollar]

Unfortunately, at OKW, I would rather have people smoking on balconies than in front of the buildings where we'll have to walk through the lingering stale odor to get to and from our rooms. The balconies at OKW are far enough apart that smoke may have an effect on people directly above or below you, but probably not the entire building like having a designated smoking area in the front area of the buildings will.

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

When I'm in front of the building, I'm walking to or from the stairs or my front door. If I walk past an ashtray or a smoker, it's no big deal.

But if we've just made breakfast -- hot coffee, scrambled eggs, toast, yoghurt, fruit -- and served it on the porch, the last thing I want is for the couple below or next door to decide it's the perfect time for a few morning cigarettes. Should we really have to go inside until they've have enough cigarettes?

 

[dannyh23]

Put it this way: If you, Of course the next question is whether those fines would be assessed to the credit card on file or to the point owner. Could have an interesting impact on the point rental market if it were the latter, eh?

Yes, sounds like a new standard clause needs to be added into the rental contract!!! Perhaps a "No Smoking Guarantee" deposit equal to the cleaning fees (that will be refunded if the owner doesn't get charged)...

I claim patent on this new clause! You can add this new clause to your rental contacts for one-time payment of 50 points transferred to my account.

 

[tjkraz]

NO, I would not - there have been many instances over the years where a middle manager made a decision, "released it" only to be countered by up line management...until it appears as a PR - it has to be considered suspect.

You're starting to sound like me claiming that there isn't a DVC building going up at the Contemporary.

I agree it is odd that the info was removed from the DVC website, but that's not a unique circumstance. I can't find a Disney website with a copy of the press release stating that MVMCP tickets went on sale today but the press release exists and the tickets went on sale.

Disney would take an absolute beating if they backpedaled on this one now.

 

[rie'smom]

Disney won't be able to enforce this unless they personally catch someone red handed. I posted on the CB and I'll post it here:

1. If someone is in a room and accused that person can accuse Mousekeeping.
2. Say that it smelled like this when they checked-in.
3. Smoke and then call the front desk and complain that the room smells like
smoke.
All of these can very easily be gotten away with and especially at the DVC resorts because Mousekeeping is not done daily.
Most importantly,WDW is not known for enforcing their own rules, eg. Heelies,more than allowed # people in a room,smoking in the parks and hotels outside of designated smoking areas.

 

[Sammie]

Here is your verfication, the front page of the business section of the Orlando sentinel. And yes there will be penalty for smoking.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/

 

[DVCconvert]

You're starting to sound like me claiming that there isn't a DVC building going up at the Contemporary.

I promise...no matter how this plays out, or the CR...I won't hold it against ya if you agree to do the same towards me!

 

[DVCconvert]

And yes there will be penalty for smoking.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/

I don't seem to find in that 'article' any reference to penalties.
And again, absence an official release (which may, or may not come), I'm not prepared to accept it as such.

 

[childsplay]

Obviously the "teeth" are key.

Of course the next question is whether those fines would be assessed to the credit card on file or to the point owner. :

I would vote directly to the point owner, as part of their dues, which if not paid would render their points unuseable. Trying to put it on the credit card of the offending occupant could lead to them disputing the charges and create a larger headache for MS. By keeping the charges "in hosue" so to speak, Disney keeps most of the cards in their favor if a dispute arises.

 

[Sammie]

I don't seem to find in that 'article' any reference to penalties.
And again, absence an official release (which may, or may not come), I'm not prepared to accept it as such.

Check the DVC site tomorrow, I think you will find it there. As to penalities, that is not in the article, that is from a friend that works in resorts, they had a briefing today.

 

[Dean]

NO, I would not - there have been many instances over the years where a middle manager made a decision, "released it" only to be countered by up line management...until it appears as a PR - it has to be considered suspect.

I can understand being skeptical but isn't there an old saying about not being the first OR the last.

Disney won't be able to enforce this unless they personally catch someone red handed. I posted on the CB and I'll post it here:

1. If someone is in a room and accused that person can accuse Mousekeeping.
2. Say that it smelled like this when they checked-in.
3. Smoke and then call the front desk and complain that the room smells like
smoke.
All of these can very easily br gotten away with and especially at the DVC resorts because Mousekeeping is not done daily.
Most importatnly,WDW is not known for enforcing their own rules, eg. Heelies,more than allowed # people in a room,smoking in the parks and hotels outside of designated smoking areas.

It is no different than any other issue such as theft or other damage. They need to be certain but not necessarily catch them in the act. It's not that difficult to be able to know if someone smoked in the room during your tenure. The person with the CC listed and/or the member, will be the one on the hook, no reason to need to know which one it was.

I spoke about this previously with an acquaintance who has managed several Marriott properties including Grande Ocean on HH. He simply said they only enforced it if they were certain but that is wasn't generally hard to tell. DVC might be a little harder with shorter stays but a little easier with the Trash and Towel occurring as a means to pick it up. I think many properties incent the maid's to report it but verify the issue with at least 2 other employees, and at least one being a manager with pictures and at times, collection of evidence.

 

[DVCconvert]

Check the DVC site tomorrow, I think you will find it there. As to penalities, that is not in the article, that is from a friend that works in resorts, they had a briefing today.

Did their brief also explain the abnormal experience on the members site today?
Or, the lack of any comfirmation on any official site?
Or what the penalties would/will be?

 

[3DisneyKids]

 

[Inkmahm]

While they have not mentioned the cruise ships, I wouldn't think they would make the ship non-smoking. With the resorts, you have the ability to go to a smoking spot. On a ship, there's no place else to go. They can't expect people to wait until they dock somewhere.

WDW is really following an industry trend. Other than a handful specialty ships that are designated non-smoking--cruise ships are not moving in this direction.

After the fire (on a Princess ship?) caused by smoking on a balcony, I thought the cruise ships WERE moving in this direction. There can be designated smoking areas on a ship just as well as a resort on land.

 

[Granny]

Did their brief also explain the abnormal experience on the members site today?
Or, the lack of any comfirmation on any official site?
Or what the penalties would/will be?

I'm not trying to be argumentative or sarcastic. But before Al Gore invented the internet, what would you have considered "official"? I think in the pre-internet days, a press release from a company was considered pretty official.

As for Eagle Pines...yes, it was officially announced. And then officially abandoned without comment from Disney. That whole thing made me officially confused!

 

[Ciciwoowoo]

I think its a great thing, but as others here have suggested, I too think that no smoking on the balcony is going to lead to a lot more smoking inside of non-smoking rooms.

I would imagine that it would be quite difficult to police, as well.

 

[sgtslovak]

I'm a smoker, my wife is not. I never smoke in the room, only on the patio. I like to relax in the evening, have a couple of beers, read & smoke. Will these designated areas have comfortable seating, be well lit & can I have my beer?Now I can't relax on my patio after paying thousands of dollars for my DVC points. When I plunked my money down for my first contract with DVC nothing was ever said about a smoking ban. I did not get to vote on this policy. I find this very upsetting and will look into Disney buying back my 3 contracts. I find a lot of things offensive but I don't seek to ban them. The odor of Deisel fuel makes me nauseous but I do not propose to ban it. The odor of many perfumes on women can give me a headache but I don't seek to ban it. The smog here in NYC stinks at times but I don't propose we ban cars & power generating stations. Loud talking & screaming kids on the patio next to me is annoying but I don't propose to forbid it. What's happening to America? NYC bans trans fats. Chicago bans foie gras. California forces parents to medicate their children against their will. What's next? Think about it. I'm getting off my soap box now.

 

[Lucky 11]

You Non-Smokers are sooooooo rude. You all are just enjoying this so much.
Yes, Request are down for smoking rooms. That is because a lot of smokers just don't smoke in their homes. They prefer an outside patio. But you can't even give us that. Why not just ban us from the planet. What a bunch of nice people.

 

[Charlie22668]

Someone mentioned a decrease in maintenance costs by not allowing smoking....

Think of how much maintenance costs would decrease if they stopped allowing kids to stay in the rooms too. Kids not only cause odor, but "residue" on linens, windows, carpets, walls, etc. Rooms that are exposed, long term, to kids tend to be more expensive to refurb, and require more frequent "repair".

 

[Inkmahm]

MG - do you really consider that (or any just media report) as "proof"?

No official websites of WDW is reporting this, It did appear briefly on the DVC site and was removed.

De Nial isn't just a river....

 

[Inkmahm]

You Non-Smokers are sooooooo rude. You all are just enjoying this so much.
Yes, Request are down for smoking rooms. That is because a lot of smokers just don't smoke in their homes. They prefer an outside patio. But you can't even give us that. Why not just ban us from the planet. What a bunch of nice people.

I don't think anyone here has said they don't want people to be able to smoke at all. THAT would be rude. But I really don't think that asking smokers to smoke only in designated areas (which most do willingly anyway) is offensive. Your right to smoke exists only until your smoke affects me against my will. If you stay in the designated smoking areas, there is no problem and I have no right to complain about your smoke.