All resort non-smoking

[MiaSRN62]

Thanks to the mods for letting this thread continue. On the Resorts board (as of this afternoon) all threads on this topic were immediately locked. It's a major news item and people deserve the right to share their point of view.

I agree erikthewise.
I found it to be juvenile how they posted the info and then locked the thread right away allowing no chance for free exchanging of views on this very "big" policy change over on the resorts boards.

From the article : It can be expensive to sneak a cigarette in a nonsmoking room. If Disney finds that someone did light up, a "cleaning fee" of $250 to $500 will be tacked onto the customer's bill. That is to cover the replacement of fabrics such as draperies and bedding, and the deep cleaning of everything else.

My concern is this. Say a family checks into a room where someone snuck a few cigs. Even though this current family did not break the no smoking policy, they get the fine/bill in the mail because they were the most recent occupants. Perhaps the first housekeeper didn't notice the smell and never reported it from the previous occupant, but this current housekeeper did notice the smell and reported this most recent family. Don't forget, if one is a smoker, they tend to not be able to smell the effects of cigarette smoke. My dh smokes and doesn't really notice the smell (he smokes outside, but I can smell the smoke on his clothes sometimes and he can't understand how I can detect it so easily).
So anyway....my point is....I can see ALOT of problems stemming from fining rule-breakers. If a room is really wreaking bad, then I can see how it would be pretty clear cut. But if someone only snuck in a few cigs here and there, a housekeeper (especially one who might smoke themselves), might not detect it. Then non smoking family #2 comes in, and the next housekeeper reports THEM.
I am concerned about rooms smelling like smoke now. I am very sensitive to it. I had gotten a non-smoking room at POP once that I considered to be wreaking with smoke smell and complained. They came and sprayed which was hardly enough.
I often give up going out with family/friends to socialize when I know they smoke. Dh and I were invited by bil/sil to vacation in their Las Vegas timeshare but declined because I know I would not last the week with the two of them smoking. I'd end up with migraines every day.
So I just see a potential for problems with this smoking ban. (i.e. smelly/musty rooms, unjust fines to wrong occupants.....).

 

[grumpydad]

i think it's time to stop all the needless bickering and face the plan and simple FACT

i paid 20k for DVC, you paid 20k for DVC

you can go to disney and do anything you want that's legal

i go to disney and cannot do anything i want(smoke) and it is
LEGAL.

last year when we went i had a smoking room and did not smoke in the room,
i went on the balcony.

to ban smoking on balconies or patios is ridiculous.

when i get up in the morning usual 4:00 am(internal alarm clock)
to expect me to get dressed and go someplace outside rather than
just on my own balcony is asking alittle bit to much

 

[jarestel]

Another red herring. WDW's smoking ban is not designed to directly address the problems of society or reduce deaths from second-hand smoke, but simply to deal with business issues in the resorts.

Excellent point ammo, and one you have reminded us of more than once, I believe. Anyone who is getting caught up in the emotionalism of the "smoking is good/smoking is bad" arguments is absolutely missing the point and the reasoning behind the policy.

Disney did not go this route for anything other than purely business reasons. If it becomes economically feasible for them to restrict any of the other activities posters have cited in attempts to justify one risky behavior with another, you can bet they will do it. Not for reasons of morality, but to enhance the bottom line.

 

[Lady V]

Of course the next question is whether those fines would be assessed to the credit card on file or to the point owner. Could have an interesting impact on the point rental market if it were the latter, eh?

I bet the point owner...gonna have to be really careful about who you rent to from now on..maybe charge en extra 200 deposit only refundable when the room clears inspection??

 

[dannyh23]

BAD move on your part. You'd only get 50 points out of the whole deal since Disney only allows one transfer into your account per year.

You should have come up with a different reward before you patented your idea. Too bad . . . you lose!

HAHA.... Man, those little DVC rules catch me every time!!!

Nice website BTW...

 

[jarestel]

You're starting to sound like me claiming that there isn't a DVC building going up at the Contemporary.

Funniest line in this whole thread, lol!

I'm curious about the reasoning behind those who argue "we shouldn't have smoking policies because people will break the rules anyway". So we shouldn't have any rules or policies simply because some may be inclined to dis-regard them? Doesn't sound like a good strategy to me.

Let's give the new policy a few months of implementation before we decide how effective/ineffective it's going to be.

 

[mickeyfan2]

The thing is, lots of our fathers are still in it, and they are lifelong smokers!!!! They are not going to be able to drop a 65 year habit just because of the whims of modern society, and all the self-righteous nonsmokers out there who whine if a whiff of smoke passes their way on a balcony.

This prevents me from taking my 80 year old dad on vacation with us, and it makes me resentful as all get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE THIS POLICY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So be happy, all you people. You are denying me a vacation with my dad, who most likely doesn't have long to live. (Severe health issues.)

Way to go Disney!!!!

Now I don't have to worry that smoking blowing in my face will cause me to have an asthma attack and spend the rest of my vacation in a hospital.

 

[tjkraz]

i think it's time to stop all the needless bickering and face the plan and simple FACT

Easy enough.

FACT: You can't smoke in your room or balcony.

(Now I return to my beet farm.)

you can go to disney and do anything you want that's legal

Umm, Fantasyland is a bit to the south, sir.

The POS and member handbook are filled with guidelines on dozens of things that members cannot do to/in their room which are prefectly legal (5 people in a studio, pool hop at SAB, run a business out of a DVC room, park an RV on in the parking lot, etc.)

None of those restrictions violate federal, state or local laws yet they are prohibited by Disney. Add one more to the list.

Whether you like the "bickering" or not, nobody here is going to give you any satisfaction. Disney didn't take a vote on this--they acted on their own.

But I'm certainly not going to apologize for agreeing with the decision.

 

[jimh13432]

to ban smoking on balconies or patios is ridiculous.

I disagree with your statement. It's ridiculous for me (as a non smoker) to be on the balcony or patio and smell your smoke.

Yes, you have the right to smoke and pretty much do anything to your body as you wish. I have rights as a non smoker and shouldn't have to smell your second hand smoke. It DOES have a negative health effect that I should not have to put up with.

 

[jodifla]

I disagree with your statement. It's ridiculous for me (as a non smoker) to be on the balcony or patio and smell your smoke.

Yes, you have the right to smoke and pretty much do anything to your body as you wish. I have rights as a non smoker and shouldn't have to smell your second hand smoke. It DOES have a negative health effect that I should not have to put up with.

You have your nonsmoking room to step back into if the smoke outside bothers you.

 

[jodifla]

Way to go Disney!!!!

Now I don't have to worry that smoking blowing in my face will cause me to have an asthma attack and spend the rest of my vacation in a hospital.

There's still SMOKING at WDW. In all the parks, and all the resorts.

And if all the smokers are clustered outside the front, you WILL have people blowing smoke in your face.

 

[Connor' Dad]

I have no absolute proof, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that furniture chips are more often caused by unruly kids than drinking adults.

MG

Probably, but are the unruly kids the cause for the drinking adults?

 

[jimh13432]

You have your nonsmoking room to step back into if the smoke outside bothers you.

Why should I? You mean I don't have the same rights as you?

 

[mickeyfan2]

You have your nonsmoking room to step back into if the smoke outside bothers you.

But I also paid for the balcony so I should not be hindered by a smoker for using it!

The smoker paid for their home so they can just go back there to smoke.

 

[jimh13432]

There's still SMOKING at WDW. In all the parks, and all the resorts.

And if all the smokers are clustered outside the front, you WILL have people blowing smoke in your face.

Which is why I try to stay away from those areas in the park. Standing on my balcony I can not avoid your smoke. It doesn't really matter though does it. Smoking will be banned on the balconies and patios too. Disney ends this debate. Non Smokers win. Smokers loose.

 

[mickeyfan2]

There's still SMOKING at WDW. In all the parks, and all the resorts.

And if all the smokers are clustered outside the front, you WILL have people blowing smoke in your face.

Only in designated smoking area and I can avoid them. Not in restaurants or on patios/balconies.

The front door of a resort is not a designated smoking area.

 

[jodifla]

But I also paid for the balcony so I should not be hindered by a smoker for using it!

The smoker paid for their home so they can just go back there to smoke.

I paid for my DVC, and it was clear that there were smoking rooms provided.

I think the 3.5 percent of rooms is misleading. Close to 18 percent of people still use tobacco products, and I think most people just smoked on their balcony so the room would not smell like smoke.

Now, they'll be driving all those people inside to smoke, making it MUCH worse for people with actual serious allergies to smoke, instead of the whiny McWhiners who just don't like it and are morally opposed.

 

[jodifla]

Only in designated smoking area and I can avoid them. Not in restaurants or on patios/balconies.

The front door of a resort is not a designated smoking area.

Don't be so sure...I don't think they've been designated yet, have they? Do we know where they are?

Apparently, the Marriott timeshare folks smoke right outside...there was a complaint from a Marriott owner about having to pass through the fog of smoke to get to their room.

 

[JerJan]

jimh13432 wrote: Non Smokers win. Smokers loose.

 

[DVC Grammy]

'Til now, I've been pretty much , but I have a question for some of the "anti-new-rule" folks. Since this rule is becoming more and more common in hotels/motels across the US (and in some other countries, too), what do they do in those places? Or do they only go to WDW and don't encounter the problem otherwise?
Also, what adjustments (if any) do they make in their work places?

Just curious, not .