All FP machines to be removed from Animal Kingdom by next week and....

[mesaboy2]

Well, it wasn't meant to be "insulting" to Wis, but it appears her touring style is more atypical than most.

Neither was mine but it was taken that way.

The point I was attempting to make back then was that fans of FP+ seem to be mostly those who didn't use legacy FP much if at all. I can see how the + could appeal to that category of guest--who probably make up the majority of guests at WDW but the minority of posters here.

 

[doconeill]

Let's hope that it's easier to select and change times than it currently is on MDE. I mean some folks report that they spend an hour or more doing it..

Of course, that's for multiple days. For just one day, maybe it would take only 10 minutes or so for each party to make their FP selections?

But that was the best part...I could see my FP+ selections in MDX, but I couldn't change them, because I wasn't _really_ a fully enabled user...

 

[FireDancer]

Not me, I don't carry a phone.

People who have their faces buried in their phones (at WDW and otherwise) do it by choice, not necessity).

It only requires more phone usage, or any usage at all, if you want it to. You can just make your FP+ and not change them or, like I most likely will do in February, just don't use FP+ at all.

I think some people are treating FP+ as though you have to use them. You don't just like you could easily spend a day at any WDW without ever getting a FP- which I have done many times. Disney isn't forcing anyone to do anything unless they choose to.

FP+, just like ADRs, are completely optional and unnecessary. They don't kick you out or deny you admission if you decide not to use them.

 

[Laketravis]

Well, it wasn't meant to be "insulting" to Wis, but it appears her touring style is more atypical than most.

I'm pretty sure Wis is a he.

But yeah, it sure did seem like everybody had their faces buried in their phones a couple of weeks ago when we were there. And from the glimpses of the screens that I could see, most of them had the MDE app open.

I remember thinking that would soon be the most hated group in crowds, quickly taking the title from strollers and electrics.

 

[mesaboy2]

It only requires more phone usage, or any usage at all, if you want it to. You can just make your FP+ and not change them or, like I most likely will do in February, just don't use FP+ at all.

I think some people are treating FP+ as though you have to use them. You don't just like you could easily spend a day at any WDW without ever getting a FP- which I have done many times. Disney isn't forcing anyone to do anything unless they choose to.

FP+, just like ADRs, are completely optional and unnecessary. They don't kick you out or deny you admission if you decide not to use them.

True, except that by not using FP+ you will almost certainly spend more time in queues. To some that matters, to others it doesn't.

 

[Vidia2]

Judging by standby times listed now for AK, I'm not sure I would even wait in the kiosk tomorrow if were someone not holding pre-booked fastpasses. Maybe some people won't realize how short the lines are. It would be worth it to pull paper fastpasses but not sure how complicated they're going to make the new day of.

Is it just me or have the day-of, off-site cheerleaders gotten very quiet? I'm sensing that there's not as much faith in the pixie dust.

 

[delmar411]

Neither was mine but it was taken that way.

The point I was attempting to make back then was that fans of FP+ seem to be mostly those who didn't use legacy FP much if at all. I can see how the + could appeal to that category of guest--who probably make up the majority of guests at WDW but the minority of posters here.

I'm surprised to not see more of a local AP holder fan base. Maybe the vast majority of the haven't been activated in the system yet but as a local AP holder, this system works for us perfectly. Because I can pick whatever park has the available attractions and times that work for us and I'm not on a deadline to finish up a park or ride a specific attraction, it really doesn't cause us any issues. I have been able to match up FP+ times with visiting family by picking them the day of in the morning. My main concern in when everyone has access at home to the system. How we've used it up to now, will not be likely be possible but we can still take whatever we can get and just try for something else the next weekend. Plus I can book popular times in advance. I've had NYE slots booked up for quite a long while, same with a day around Christmas. It is worth taking up a few of my 7 days worth of slots to hold times for when I know we will go to a park. I can arrange our times and get in and get out in as little time as possible. We have an effective touring strategy to fill the time gaps so there isn't a lot of down time between our 3 FP+ attractions.

 

[dayvewc]

Is it just me or have the day-of, off-site cheerleaders gotten very quiet? I'm sensing that there's not as much faith in the pixie dust.

Just because I absolutely agree that the manner of the roll-out tomorrow is distressingly horrible, does not mean I do not see a way that the final version can be better. Maybe, it is just a matter of optimistically waiting to see, rather than pessimistically trashing the unknown?

 

[Laketravis]

Maybe some people won't realize how short the lines are. It would be worth it to pull paper fastpasses but not sure how complicated they're going to make the new day of.

Except there won't be any paper fastpasses to pull.

Is it just me or have the day-of, off-site cheerleaders gotten very quiet? I'm sensing that there's not as much faith in the pixie dust.

They've all declared tomorrow's test a success and are now over on the Resort boards exalting the colors of the new duvets at GF........

 

[Robo]

Judging by standby times listed now for AK, I'm not sure I would even wait in the kiosk tomorrow if were someone not holding pre-booked fastpasses. Maybe some people won't realize how short the lines are.

That, by extension, is one of the major faults of FP+ early reservations, in general.

With "regular" FP, guests at the FP machines were (for the most part) located next to the standby line and could see how much back-up there was.

Now, 60 days, 45 days, 10 days, 1 day, 2 hours, 1 hour, BEFORE you choose all of your FP+ reservations for that day, you have no idea which attractions will actually need a FP (other than the 2, or so, headliners of that park.)

Wasted effort, wasted FP+.

 

[Vidia2]

Except there won't be any paper fastpasses to pull.

Right. Should have said "if they still had them."

 

[andrewilley]

Just my $0.02 worth (and while subbing here) for it to work at least reasonably well, they really need to make FastPass+ for day guests function pretty-much like regular Fast Pass did, but within the new allocation system.

1) All attractions need to have their own terminals at the front, just like the old Fast Pass machines. Centralised machines are a nice plus (e.g. so you don't have to go all the way into The Land to get a Fast Pass for Soarin') but they also need machines at each attraction.

2) The attraction-based terminals should be kept as simple to use as the legacy system. A 'first-available return time' should be shown on the screen, and unless you choose to do anything more specific via the touchscreen, simply tapping your RFID ticket on the reader should get you a FastPass+ for that displayed time. No messing, job done.

3) A simple paper reminder of the return time could be printed for guests (like my DW!) who have absolutely no wish to know anything at all about this new technology or phones or computers, and who would otherwise probably forget the slot. The RFID chip in the ticket media would still be the actual admission device of course, not the disposable paper reminder slip.


[Re-think] All of the above will probably be a moot point soon anyway, as for headliner attractions FP will have all gone before many day-guests even arrive at the park.

Andre

 

[twopeasonepod]

Apologizing in advance if this has already been posted at AK now.

1) This am a CM told me they are covering AK FP- kiosks starting tomorrow.

2) Not sure how to get FP- at other parks, because when we used our MB to get in, we couldn't pull them. Said our APs weren't used today.

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[Robo]

Not sure how to get FP- at other parks, because when we used our MB to get in, we couldn't pull them. Said our APs weren't used today.

At which resort are you staying?

 

[morethananyonex]

It only requires more phone usage, or any usage at all, if you want it to. You can just make your FP+ and not change them or, like I most likely will do in February, just don't use FP+ at all.

I think some people are treating FP+ as though you have to use them. You don't just like you could easily spend a day at any WDW without ever getting a FP- which I have done many times. Disney isn't forcing anyone to do anything unless they choose to.

FP+, just like ADRs, are completely optional and unnecessary. They don't kick you out or deny you admission if you decide not to use them.

Do you go to WDW with children? Do you go frequently?

It's a nice thought to tour the parks completely spontaneously, tied down by nothing, but that's just not the reality for many of us who have kids with us, especially young ones. It's important to us to utilize FPs, because waiting in standby lines with a toddler is much easier said than done. It's very helpful to have the ability to change said times we chose 60 days prior if something happens, because toddlers are unpredictable. It's important to have our ADRs booked, because we can't eat at the restaurants we want to at a decent time for our child (or sometimes even at all) without them. Lastly, we don't go every year, so we want to make sure we see everything we want and do everything we want.

I know the way we tour is our choice. There's no need to state the obvious that Disney isn't forcing anyone to use this program. However, if you want to use the program that greatly changes your park experience, a phone is very beneficial, period. I get people support and like FP+, the reality is in order to use FP's now and in the future, having a phone makes that MUCH easier. I don't know why there's a need for some people to be contrary about everything. It's inconvenient to use FP+ without a smartphone. It is based around an app for a smartphone.

 

[twopeasonepod]

Sorry, bad typing on my part haha.

We are at AKV-Kidani. That is our "home". AK not busy at all. Since we couldn't pull FP-, we just did stand by and it was fine. Just took a different approach and took our time. By 2:00 wait for Dinosaur was 90 min, so skipped that. But we had FP+ for EE at 3:00. Went in at 2:58 and were on the train at 3:01. Awesome.

How do you do both FP+ and -?

Sorry I'm lame - can't go thru all the posts to find the answer on this phone!

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[Farps]

It only requires more phone usage, or any usage at all, if you want it to. You can just make your FP+ and not change them or, like I most likely will do in February, just don't use FP+ at all.

I think some people are treating FP+ as though you have to use them. You don't just like you could easily spend a day at any WDW without ever getting a FP- which I have done many times. Disney isn't forcing anyone to do anything unless they choose to.

FP+, just like ADRs, are completely optional and unnecessary. They don't kick you out or deny you admission if you decide not to use them.

To say FP+, just like ADRs, are completely optional is very true.
But to say that they are unnecessary is an opinion. We like to guarantee a table at certain restaurants during our trips, and also want to ride certain headliners without waiting in hour long lines. So using FP+ and ADRs for us is definitely necessary !

 

[Robo]

We are at AKV-Kidani. How do you do both FP+ and -?

Most guests use their KTTW card (resort key-card) in the FP- machines.

 

[lugnut33]

By 2:00 wait for Dinosaur was 90 min, so skipped that.

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OMG, that's the highest I have ever seen the wait at Dinosaur.

I wonder if they just let FP+ through and don't worry at all about the standby people.

 

[Laketravis]

Sorry, bad typing on my part haha.

We are at AKV-Kidani. That is our "home". AK not busy at all. Since we couldn't pull FP-, we just did stand by and it was fine. Just took a different approach and took our time. By 2:00 wait for Dinosaur was 90 min, so skipped that. But we had FP+ for EE at 3:00. Went in at 2:58 and were on the train at 3:01. Awesome.

How do you do both FP+ and -?

Sorry I'm lame - can't go thru all the posts to find the answer on this phone!

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Did AKV give you cards when you checked in? The "KTTW" cards? If so, you might be able to use those to pull paper fastpasses.

If they didn't give those to you, and all you have are the Magic Bands, you won't be able to pull any paper FP's. Unless, of course, you find someone smaller than you almost done pulling their own FP's, you sneak up behind them, call them a Hater and take their FP's away.........