All FP machines to be removed from Animal Kingdom by next week and....

[rebbyparker]

True, lots of variables to account for and I was never good enough at statistics to figure out what equations could possibly account for them all.

Instead, I figured a reservation for dinner at BOG might be subject to the same types of mind-boggling variables and conditions.

So I just went online and tried to reserve a table 60 days out. And there were none.

Then I tried 90 days out. And there were none.

120 days out? Nada. I didn't strike gold until I went out 150 days.

Some may argue that isn't the same as trying to make a FP+ reservation for TSM, but I think many of the same variables are at play.

Agreed.

 

[Tozer]

Hint: The ones standing in line are part of the less-than-half of the park population that will ride it that day. Ride capacity doesn't distinguish between who has an FP and who doesn't.

Hint: You dont even know that half of the people in DHS even want to ride TSMM.

 

[Laketravis]

Hint: You dont even know that half of the people in DHS even want to ride TSMM.

Goodnight Tozer.

 

[wisblue]

True, lots of variables to account for and I was never good enough at statistics to figure out what equations could possibly account for them all.

Instead, I figured a reservation for dinner at BOG might be subject to the same types of mind-boggling variables and conditions.

So I just went online and tried to reserve a table 60 days out. And there were none.

Then I tried 90 days out. And there were none.

120 days out? Nada. I didn't strike gold until I went out 150 days.

Some may argue that isn't the same as trying to make a FP+ reservation for TSM, but I think many of the same variables are at play.

I think it's a huge difference because the capacity for dinner at a restaurant is MUCH lower than the FP capacity for any ride.

Isn't it also true that anyone, not just resort guests, can make ADRs 180 days out? If so, there are probably a lot of locals who are trying make ADRs for BOG just to try it once, and you aren't going to get the same level of competition for a ride reservation.

 

[DebbieB]

Thanks, but turned off or removed as the OP says?

My planning will be much different if they are removing them-because there would be no chance of them being turned back on in upcoming weeks.

I think they will all be removed eventually, but until then we would plan different stays-like on or off site etc.

Someone posted on this thread the information from the CM hub. It said they would be covered during the test.

Some info was posted for cm's yesterday:

• The test begins 12/18. No end date was in the communication.
• Any Guest visiting DAK during the test will have the option to participate (the other option is Standby).
• FP machines will be covered up (not removed.)
• Guests can select up to 3 FP+ experiences; no mention of tiers.
• Off-site Guests may select & change their experiences only at FP+ kiosks (which will have expanded staffing.) MDE can be used to view times, but not to make changes (by off-site Guests; on-site will continue as now.)
• Guests will be given a Times Guide sized paper slip listing the available experiences, with space to write in the appt. times. Or, Disney suggests they take a phone photo of the kiosk screen.
• Guests must select all 3 experiences at one time. They can make changes later as available.
• There are no plans to charge for FP+ in the future.

 

[Tozer]

Goodnight Tozer.

Sorry to have confused you with logic.

Like someone said before. It is amazing that people talk about how incompetent Disney has been with this whole FP+ rollout but yet their marketing department is full of Svengalis that will FORCE every guest headed to WDW to make FP+ reservations. Oh, the irony of it all.

People keep talking about the math of it all. So, I ask this question, what % of guest once FP+ is FULLY rolled out are they predicting to prebook their FP+s?

Any talk of math has to factor this in as of course it will play a major role in the availability of same day FP+

 

[rebbyparker]

Someone posted on this thread the information from the CM hub. It said they would be covered during the test.

So evidently I missed this. I thought someone said it was a one day test but this looks open ended?

 

[Mad Hattered]

Sorry to have confused you with logic.

Like someone said before. It is amazing that people talk about how incompetent Disney has been with this whole FP+ rollout but yet their marketing department is full of Svengalis that will FORCE every guest headed to WDW to make FP+ reservations. Oh, the irony of it all.

People keep talking about the math of it all. So, I ask this question, what % of guest once FP+ is FULLY rolled out are they predicting to prebook their FP+s?

Any talk of math has to factor this in as of course it will play a major role in the availability of same day FP+

Hey, Buddy! How is the weather out East? I'll spare you the cheesy picture I want to post to you.

 

[Silock]

Back to the rumor - if this plays out as mentioned, the 18th of December will forever be remembered as "kiosk day".

 

[Jennasis]

 

[bcrook]

Sorry to have confused you with logic.

Like someone said before. It is amazing that people talk about how incompetent Disney has been with this whole FP+ rollout but yet their marketing department is full of Svengalis that will FORCE every guest headed to WDW to make FP+ reservations. Oh, the irony of it all.

People keep talking about the math of it all. So, I ask this question, what % of guest once FP+ is FULLY rolled out are they predicting to prebook their FP+s?

Any talk of math has to factor this in as of course it will play a major role in the availability of same day FP+

Read the CFO Rasulo's interviews, they are available in the link in my signature. It looks like he wants the FP booked up in advance. Disney will do all they can to do it.

I am with Wisblue and hope Disney fails; I hope that human nature will over-come the willfulness of Disney marketing. Because only if Disney fails will we not have to worry about booking fastpasses way in advance. If Disney fails in getting the message out, only the most educated in fastpass will have the advantage. So few people will be booking fastpasses, that there will be plenty for the day of attendance. And disney will be able to give 4-5 to everyone who wants to participate because human nature says these 180,000 patrons a day are either too lazy or too Ill-informed to learn this new system.

 

[Mad Hattered]

 

[rebbyparker]

LOL! Nice.

 

[clsteve]

I think it's a huge difference because the capacity for dinner at a restaurant is MUCH lower than the FP capacity for any ride.

Isn't it also true that anyone, not just resort guests, can make ADRs 180 days out? If so, there are probably a lot of locals who are trying make ADRs for BOG just to try it once, and you aren't going to get the same level of competition for a ride reservation.

Why do you think not?

 

[bcrook]

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[wisblue]

Read the CFO Rasulo's interviews, they are available in the link in my signature. It looks like he wants the FP booked up in advance. Disney will do all they can to do it.

I am with Wisblue and hope Disney fails; I hope that human nature will over-come the willfulness of Disney marketing. Because only if Disney fails will we not have to worry about booking fastpasses way in advance. If Disney fails in getting the message out, only the most educated in fastpass will have the advantage. So few people will be booking fastpasses, that there will be plenty for the day of attendance. And disney will be able to give 4-5 to everyone who wants to participate because human nature says these 180,000 patrons a day are either too lazy or too Ill-informed to learn this new system.

Just for the record, I am not saying that I hope Disney marketing fails.

There are two distinct issues here. One is FP available same day and the other is only being able to book a popular FP within the first hour that your 60 day window opening up.

Disney marketing will have achieved its purpose if guests book their FP anytime in advance; it doesn't have to be 60 days.

I have no doubt that the most educated guests will have the best shot at FPs and the best shot at standby rides. It has always been that way.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Why do you think not?

I am on the side that believes Disney is going to market the hell out of this thing to where you won't be able to help but be made aware of it. I'm pretty sure they will make sure you are fully aware that you have the opportunity to "wait less time in line" if you do use it. Oh, and it's suddenly a "perk".

Just look at that annoying Stacy that runs 24/7 on the TV. She is screaming to you what rides you are going to want to use FP+ on. I imagine the marketing for this will come across something like this:

Imagine being surrounded on all sides by a typical TV display wall at Best Buy or the likes. Now imagine that Stacy commercial playing really really loud. But don't sync the TVs up so that it will be even more annoying.

Yeah...it's gonna be something like that.

 

[mesaboy2]

...
Oh, the irony of it all.
...

I thought so.

 

[Cdn Gal]

Either way, off site guests are definitely stressed about the whole situation. I hope that this doesn't ruin people's vacations at Christmas. .

You know, I would pay to have fast passes like Universal Orlando. It would be worth it to me to include that in the ticket options. I wonder what the likelihood of Disney doing something similar to Universal?

 

[wisblue]

Why do you think not?

For starters, since we like to talk about math, what is the dinner capacity for BOG on a given night? How does that compare to the FP capacity at TSMM on a given day?