Airtran and 61" max luggage size

You're going to interpret/round the numbers one way and the airline employee will probably go the other way.

Might as well get a bag that's lighter and smaller.

You can usually transfer, or discard something if your bag is overweight. Not much choice if your told your bag is oversized. What credit card will you be using? You don't like the way I measured your bag... I'm sorry you don't agree. Will you be paying the fee for your oversized bag or will you be leaving it behind.

Duds--You know this but for others reading this thread.....Airtran charges $25 for a second checked bag (within size and weight limits). Airtran charges an extra $49 if the bag is 62"-70" and an extra $49 if the bag is 51-70 lbs. A 62" bag weight 52 pounds will cost $98 in addition to the $20 normal fee.

Some people need to just bit the bullet and pay for a second checked bag for at least one family member. Others need to bite the bullet and replace their luggage. Newer lightweight luggage weighs under 10 lbs empty. Older luggage can weigh close to 20lbs empty.

The problem is that my bag has flown on other airlines with no issues under the 62" rule. why does Airtran have to be different and creative to make things harder on the customer? If I had known my bag was going to be so close to the limit when I purchased it I would have gone a different direction. But I haven't had an issue with its size until now. But, OK, I'll just go and spend hundreds on new luggage on your say so.
 
Just wondering if I get it cleared then show back up a month later and a different person checks us in will we still have a problem?


This would be my thought too. In my case, I've used that same duffel for numerous trips and knowing that it was well under Air Tran's limits, I've never thought anything about it. Nine days later when I was flying home from Orlando, the bag didn't even get a second glance. I didn't see any bags getting measured that day. The morning I flew from Dallas to Orlando they were measuring just about everybody's bag. You know how sometimes things will slide at your job, then all of a sudden the boss has a meeting and tells all the supervisors to tighten things up or else, and for awhile everything is nit picked? That's the feeling we were getting that morning: like maybe the supervisors had had a meeting with everyone and threatened them if they didn't tighten up and catch every little thing. Their attitudes were almost hostile and belligerent before you even got up to the desk. You could feel the tension in the air.
 
I guess I didn't explain it too well. I'm fully aware of what counts as part of the measurement and have no problem with it, but they were leaning the duffels against the wall with the base of the bag a good 4" away from the wall, then measuring from the wall out to the edge of the bulge, then straight up through empty air to where the handle would be. If they had just taken the tape measure and actually touched the bag and measured over the cloth part of the bag it would be one thing, but other than touching the wall and coming straight across the base of the bag, they never even touched the bag itself. They were holding the tape measure well away from the bag and measuring clear space. That duffel is not an extra large or even a large one at all (in fact it is listed as a medium duffel on the web site) plus it has the straps to tighten it up making the height shorter. That's why I bought it--I've measured it full, but not stuffed (even adding 2" to my measurements as a cushion) and it's still well below the 61" measurement (including wheels and handle). That day, all that was in that duffel was a 18" packing folder (that was not packed anywhere near full), a toiletry bag, and two pairs of flip flops. I carry most of my stuff in my carry on (which is also legal size and fit's easily in all the overheads wheels first. lol). That checked duffel was maybe just a tad over half full that day, so I had those straps tightened making it very flat. It's a good thing I did, because with them leaning it against the wall and including that empty space between the wall and the base of the bag, they were adding a good 4" to the measurement, then instead of running the tape measure up and along the length of the bag, they just pulled the tape measure straight up, so at the top they were a good 6"-8" from touching the material of the bag. Again maybe you had to be there that morning, but they were measuring most bags including ones like mine that were nowhere near 61", but somehow they were coming up with absurdly large measurements. Granted some bags were oversized and needed to be measured, but alot were obviously legal size and people were being told they were not. I fly Air Tran several times a year and have never seen them like they were that morning. That duffel bag had never even received a second glance in the past as it's quite obviously smaller than most people's checked bag. That why I was surprised when they said they were measuring it. I purposely downsized my bags a few years ago to make sure I wouldn't have to worry about oversized or overweight bags, getting bags that were easily below the maximum size allowed.

Again even with the way they measured it, adding in that empty space between the wall and where the bag actually started, the bag came in below the 61", so obviously it is not too big, but with the lean measurement being added to it and with them not carrying the tape measure along the cloth itself to measure the length, it still came closer than I like. I know they don't, but if they had measured it sitting flat, it wouldn't have been even close. According to the manufacturer's web site my duffel is 11"x23"x11", so 45" which even if you add wheels, handles, and any small bulges that might have appeared when the bag was stood on end, is no where near the 61" limit. In fact, according to Air Tran's web site, I could have used it as a carryon. However, because of liquids in the toiletry bag and always having a few odds and ends that don't fit in my carryon, I always check it. Here's a picture of the bag:

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/63915?feat=506681-GN2#ppMoreDetails

Well if that bag was marked as oversize then I'm totally screwed! :rotfl2:

Btw...nice bag!! :thumbsup2
 
I said in my post I wasn't going to use it because of the risk of it being slightly too big. I'm just as irritated with the luggage manufacurers always making everything right up to the limit.

But this allowing it to lean to get more inches added on is a bunch of bull.

The problem is that my bag has flown on other airlines with no issues under the 62" rule. why does Airtran have to be different and creative to make things harder on the customer? If I had known my bag was going to be so close to the limit when I purchased it I would have gone a different direction. But I haven't had an issue with its size until now. But, OK, I'll just go and spend hundreds on new luggage on your say so.

My comment about some people needed new luggage was a general comment. If anything it was directed to Duds. However you already said your luggage is too big for Aitran. Don't blame "the messenger" for telling you what you already discovered. A bag that's both oversized and overwieght will cost you an extra $196 R/T A bag that's just oversized will cost you an extra. $98 R/T.

Many people think "bigger is better". We really can't blame luggage mfg for marketing bags that just meet airline standards. The problem is the next smaller piece is probably a better purchase but might only be $10 less. The oversized (or almost oversized) luggage at places like Marshalls only looks like a good deal.

I suspect Airtran has a limit below industry standards in order to generate revenue from passengers who don't "read the fine print". Likewise with Spirit's 40 lb limit.

For many of us new luggage (smaller and made lighter) will weigh at least 5 lb less, and in some cases almost 10 lbs less, then older bags.
 

I know they were alot more flexiable at the offairportcheckinfacility at the lake buena vista factory outlet mall
 
Duds--You know this but for others reading this thread.....Airtran charges $25 for a second checked bag (within size and weight limits). Airtran charges an extra $49 if the bag is 62"-70" and an extra $49 if the bag is 51-70 lbs. A 62" bag weight 52 pounds will cost $98 in addition to the $20 normal fee.

I'm reading over the AirTran site regarding baggage - it is not clear (to me) that the $49 fee for bags 62-70" is on top of the usual $20 fee, is $49 not the total fee for those bags?
 
I'm reading over the AirTran site regarding baggage - it is not clear (to me) that the $49 fee for bags 62-70" is on top of the usual $20 fee, is $49 not the total fee for those bags?

The website sort of implies the fee is instead of the regular $20. The contract of carriage makes it clear the fees are in addition:
This fee will be applied in addition to applicable 1st, 2nd and Excess Baggage fees.
 
The website sort of implies the fee is instead of the regular $20. The contract of carriage makes it clear the fees are in addition:

Thank you. Yes, the contract of carriage is much clearer.
 
Well if that bag was marked as oversize then I'm totally screwed! :rotfl2:

Btw...nice bag!! :thumbsup2

No, even with all their measuring and adding in the extra inches that bag was still legal was definitely smaller than most of the checked bags that day. lol. I did not have to pay any extra fees. My problem was that they even questioned it, since you could easily tell by eyeballing it that it was below the maximum size. No way was it even close to the measurement they said it was. There was also the fact that the family checking in just ahead of me were told that all of their bags were oversized when they obviously were not. If they had not included the lean on their duffels and if they had actually ran the tape over the bags, instead of several inches away from them, their bags would not have been oversized either. There were some bags there that day that probably were oversized, but alot of the bags they were measuring were definitely not. It felt like they had all gotten chewed out by their supervisors that morning, were mad, and so were just looking for anything to get people for.:mad: I fly several times a year and I've just never seen the employees measuring the number of bags they were that day and acting the way they were.
 
Duffel bags are often a problem because excessive length cannot be made up for by a smaller height or a smaller width. Also they are round rather than square and the diameter gets taken to be the width and the height, which is not all that favorable.

In this day and age you have to argue at least a little before accepting the business' opinion of how much something weights or how large it is. Weight should be given a second opinion using the scale next door if the customer disputes it.
 
Weight should be given a second opinion using the scale next door if the customer disputes it.

Airport scales are subject to inspection by the municipalities bureau of weights and measures. Same as the scales that are used to weigh items used in commerce.

Your bathroom scale isn't subject to inspection and may be pounds off. The little travel scales we use may be a few pounds off.

There really isn't any reason to re-weigh bags. Either take stuff out of the bag or pay the fee. Do you ever ask the supermarket to weigh your produce on a second scale?
 












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