Adrian Peterson

[luvsJack]

Yes it does.

The child was 4. He had lacerations ON HIS GROIN. That is never ever ok.

And I said several times that he should not have left the marks he left on that child. I never said that he should get off scott free. He needs parenting classes and he may need anger management. He doesn't need to have the child until he completes both. And then it needs to be slowly back to unsupervised visitation.

What you quoted was a response to someone else about spanking in general and how my dh was raised. I don't believe that spanking automatically = abuse.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm against whipping and spankings. The courts will handle AP and then the NFL will have to act. I think the only thing good that will happen with these latest events is to bring attention to the problem of abuse (child and wife).

This map in the following article shows the states that allow schools to punish students by hitting them. Should this be allowed? Teachers/administration have to alert the police to abuse. Isn't this a form of abuse?

http://www.businessinsider.com/19-states-still-allow-corporal-punishment-2014-3

These Are The 19 States That Still Let Public Schools Hit Kids

COREY ADWAR
MAR. 28, 2014, 11:55 AM

In 19 states, it's legal for teachers or principals to punish public school students by hitting them repeatedly instead of just giving them detention.

Meh, a lot of problems in schools could be nipped in the bud if harsher punishments were still allowed. Right now, the "harshest" thing you can do around here is send the kid home - which is exactly what they want.

 

[JanaDee]

And others taking a stand:


http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/26546...-nfl-games-due-to-domestic-violence-incidents

The only thing that bar owner is going to lose is money, as he watches everyone go somewhere else to watch the games and drink.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Meh, a lot of problems in schools could be nipped in the bud if harsher punishments were still allowed. Right now, the "harshest" thing you can do around here is send the kid home - which is exactly what they want.

Hitting another person is never the answer. If you get a speeding ticket should we be able to whip you?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Hitting another person is never the answer. If you get a speeding ticket should we be able to whip you?

All penalties are about pain of one sort or another.

As an adult, I'd rather take a smack on the rear than open my wallet. The latter hurts more. Besides spanking at school has always been reserved for the worst offenders - specifically, the worst REPEAT offenders.

 

[Uncle Remus]

The only thing that bar owner is going to lose is money, as he watches everyone go somewhere else to watch the games and drink.

Their FB is full of people who say they'll come eat and drink to support their position, not to mention folks who can't stand the noise of the games while they want to enjoy a meal.

 

[Tiggeroo]

Their FB is full of people who say they'll come eat and drink to support their position, not to mention folks who can't stand the noise of the games while they want to enjoy a meal.

I hope so. And fwiw I don't see how any beating that leaves welts and draws blood can be considered discipline.

 

[JanaDee]

Their FB is full of people who say they'll come eat and drink to support their position, not to mention folks who can't stand the noise of the games while they want to enjoy a meal.

Saying and doing are two different things.

 

[okeydokey]

And you are entitled to your opinion but I think the opinion of those who lived it is the most important and they do not feel they were abused. They were/are dearly loved by their mother and family was and is always most important to all of them.

I'm sure as adults they look back and think it didn't effect them, but in that moment, that very moment when the people they love are physically hurting them, you know it effected them. They felt fear, degradation and sorrow. Imagine your own child being afraid of you, dreading the hose or the switch. It is heartbreaking and just because it used to be done doesn't mean it wasn't wrong. It was wrong then and is wrong now. People evolve, thank goodness. Picture the face of the 4 year old getting the switch and now imagine you holding that switch. How does that feel?

 

[luvsJack]

I'm sure as adults they look back and think it didn't effect them, but in that moment, that very moment when the people they love are physically hurting them, you know it effected them. They felt fear, degradation and sorrow. Imagine your own child being afraid of you, dreading the hose or the switch. It is heartbreaking and just because it used to be done doesn't mean it wasn't wrong. It was wrong then and is wrong now. People evolve, thank goodness. Picture the face of the 4 year old getting the switch and now imagine you holding that switch. How does that feel?

I can't answer for this 4 year old child. He may have been very afraid and heartbroken that his father would do this to him. Perhaps his father has done it before and the poor child was terrified when he saw the switch.

Dh and his sibling were NOT afraid of their mother. They have said it time and again. They didn't stand there afraid of what was going to happen nor did they dread it ahead of time. 9 out of 10 times, those 6 boys figured whatever fun they had doing whatever it was they were getting in trouble for was worth the whipping they were getting.

My own two sons have never been the least afraid. Either one of them would have taken a spanking over losing their video games or not playing ball any day of the week and twice on Sunday. And said so many times. "Mom, can I just take some licks and get it over with??" Doesn't sound afraid to me at all.

Someone mentioned paddlings at school upthread. I remember being in high school and getting in trouble in our history class. Boys got licks, girls had to write lines. We would BEG our teacher to give us licks instead of writing those lines. Yep, we were really traumatized.

Some people imagine what life is like for an abused child and project that on to every child that was spanked. But its not realistic. Not at all.

This child's age makes a lot of difference, imho and I don't think a switch is needed for a child that young. A few swats on the bottom probably would have done the trick. I do think that Adrian was wrong and went way overboard. I just don't know that we can say he is a habitually abusive person from this one instance.

 

[wvjules]

And I said several times that he should not have left the marks he left on that child. I never said that he should get off scott free. He needs parenting classes and he may need anger management. He doesn't need to have the child until he completes both. And then it needs to be slowly back to unsupervised visitation.

What you quoted was a response to someone else about spanking in general and how my dh was raised. I don't believe that spanking automatically = abuse.

So beating is ok as long as it doesn't leave marks?

 

[luvsJack]

So beating is ok as long as it doesn't leave marks?

Oh good heavens. That isn't what I said. He should have never hit him with a switch hard enough to leave those marks. He should not have hit him in the places he hit him. A couple of swift swats on the rear end not switches on his back and groin area and hard enough to leave marks.

 

[dennis99ss]

late to the party, but like they say, better late than never.

so, to some of the PP, there was a grand jury in Harris County (county immediately south of Montgomery County), that did not rule. They did not address the issue however, because of the different jurisdiction. They sent it to Montgomery County where the grand jury indicted. The first incident with a different four year old was reported to and investigated by CPS, but they felt there was not enough evidence to pursue it further since the child hit himself on his car seat or something. Pics show that child still has a scar for that cut.

Rusty Hardin is a very good attorney. It is somewhat clear that at least one defense will be punishment and not abuse. However, Montgomery County is not east Texas or Palestine where Peterson grew up. Montgomery County has changed drastically in the last 10-15 years and such is likely not good for a defendant in this type of case. While the demographics are changing, and continue to change with Exxon moving in along with all of the attached companies that follow such a campus move, the jury pool will most likely have a majority of people who are 1. non-minority-white, 2. four year college educated or better, 3. middle to upper middle class, 4. a fair number of stay at home moms, 5. mainly Christian, 6. mostly republican voters, and a fair number of them with tea party leanings, 7. that will be (imho) be horrified at the "whoopin" given the community, which is what Texas standards are based on. The DA is smart as well. He knows this is a case that will play to his base in the community. Judges have changed to mostly all conservative. I think Mr. Peterson has a difficult road to travel.

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

If your grandmother left welts on your body, that was abuse.

You did not know my Grandmother. Don't even think about judging her. She never abused me in my life. She was a person of her time and that was how discipline was meted out. She loved me and showed me that every day of my life until she died. My mother never left a physical mark on me but the emotional scars are deep. I'd take my grandmother's approach any day of the week.

All that said, I do not condone what he did nor do I hit my own child. I think times have changed and there is no place for that in today's society. But I am not going to say he is a vicious monster either-----not knowing what I know about the world I grew up in. Every kid I knew was spanked with a paddle, switch, belt whatever. Our schools also had corporal punishment-----obviously, it was accepted practice for the time.

 

[Mickeyluver37]

All penalties are about pain of one sort or another.

As an adult, I'd rather take a smack on the rear than open my wallet. The latter hurts more. Besides spanking at school has always been reserved for the worst offenders - specifically, the worst REPEAT offenders.

I don't know about that. It's been banned here since I was about 8 (thank goodness), but wasn't there something on the news not too long ago about a girl getting paddled in school for the inappropriateness of her prom dress?

 

[Fortune Cookie]

You did not know my Grandmother. Don't even think about judging her. She never abused me

She hit you until you had welts. That's abuse.

 

[mnrose]

I'm sure as adults they look back and think it didn't effect them, but in that moment, that very moment when the people they love are physically hurting them, you know it effected them. They felt fear, degradation and sorrow. Imagine your own child being afraid of you, dreading the hose or the switch. It is heartbreaking and just because it used to be done doesn't mean it wasn't wrong. It was wrong then and is wrong now. People evolve, thank goodness. Picture the face of the 4 year old getting the switch and now imagine you holding that switch. How does that feel?

My MIL is 78 years old, and used to use belts and such on her children (one of whom is my husband). We were talking about this and she says (and i quote) it is "one of the biggest regrets of my life." She is so sorry she fell into that trap. She was "raised" that way herself, and now sees it as abuse. She is so proud of her own children that they have done better.

The cycle of abuse can be broken, and it starts with each adult taking responsibility for their own actions and not pawning it off as "that's how I was raised and look how I turned out."

 

[CdnCarrie]

My MIL is 78 years old, and used to use belts and such on her children (one of whom is my husband). We were talking about this and she says (and i quote) it is "one of the biggest regrets of my life." She is so sorry she fell into that trap. She was "raised" that way herself, and now sees it as abuse. She is so proud of her own children that they have done better.

The cycle of abuse can be broken, and it starts with each adult taking responsibility for their own actions and not pawning it off as "that's how I was raised and look how I turned out."

Exactly. Not everything that was done in the olden days is good. Progress can be enlightening. We no longer allow kids to work in factories, people to ride in cars without seatbelts, and have labour laws to protect workers. And beating a child into submission is no longer socially acceptable.

For those saying you grew up with it and it's fine must realize the majority of us are looking at you in aghast just as if you said that gay people are evil or it's okay to own slaves. Your viewpoint is so archaic and barbaric that it's jaw dropping.

 

[okeydokey]

Funny, people talk about 9 times out of 10 they didn't mind the beating. Doesn't sound like the beating was very effective as a discipline measure if it had to be done over and over and over. Now we know that hurting children physically is not effective at changing behaviors. It's not too hard to figure that out, but we have finally seen that physical abuse of children is wrong and ineffective.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Funny, people talk about 9 times out of 10 they didn't mind the beating. .

You must be talking to people with very different outlooks than the ones I know. Thank goodness as I would NOT associate with anyone who agrees with child abuse as punishment.