3rd grade homework - would this bother you?

My children said they have to fill out a similar survey on their End of Grade tests. There wasn't a "none of your business" option.:rotfl: I wish there were.

The state must use the information for statistical purposes to see of there is a correlation between low performance and excessive time spent on noneducational activities.
 
Interesting you should say that - another thing Massachusetts has incorporated into the school system is BMI checks beginning this year. At certain grade intervals, I think 1st, 3rd, 5th and so on - the nurse will check our child's height and weight and calculate their BMI. We'll get a notice at home informing us of the results, and if our child is in a 'need to watch' category, under or overweight. I'm not sure what I think of this either - it's a good thing on one hand, on the other, it could be embarassing for some kids. Since we're required to have regular physicals for our kids, isn't that between us and our pediatrician?

I don't like that whole BMI thing in the schools either- thats between [arent/child nd Dr---none of the schools business. Last year they did BMI's in my daughters school and also a fitness test to go along with it- the higher BMI/lowerscoring on the fitness test kids were then giving notes IN CLASS to take home to their parents- it "invited" them to join the before school program they were calling the "fab 5" (of course all the other kids changed it to FAT 5). It was a exercise program to lose weight- it was not open to all kids though many of us said that we would have sent our kids just for the extra exercise but they were not "invited". Every kid knew exactly which kids were "invited" from every class and they were tormented a bit by some of the other kids- it really was a stupid move on the schools part. Many of the parents of the kids that got notes home were at the school screaming about it. My daughters friend was so embarrassed she started not wanting to eat anything and she really wasn't "fat" she is a big kid but a tall kid- twice my daughters height!
 
The state must use the information for statistical purposes to see of there is a correlation between low performance and excessive time spent on noneducational activities.




:confused3 Many children in this area get the middle school/high school bus at 6:20am and get home around 4pm. By the time they eat and do homework it is late in the evening.

I don't see a problem if they want to veg or watch TV or play video games:confused: They have already dedicated the majority of the day to academics.

The intrusion into our private lives is getting quite frightening :mad:

Children must now record what they do on THEIR free time on a state standardized end of the year test:eek:
 
I don't think anyone really cares what a particular family is doing. I think the idea behind recording this is for the child to see for themselves how much time they spend reading vs. watching television. This may be a way for them to learn to self-monitor what they're doing. I don't see it as a bad thing.

Besides, if it's not filled out, who is the teacher going to hold responsible? You? Nope. It's your child's responsibility to have the work completed.

Now, the BMI thing bothers me a great deal. THAT is no one's business but the parent and the child's doctor. Want to end obesity in children? Stop feeding them over processed junk food in school, drop the sugary drinks, incorporate exercise by instituting a REAL physical education program for all children in all grades. Not just recess. At recess, kids are free to do what they want--including sit on the sidelines. A REAL physical education program is needed. Not once a week--but every day. Wow! I'm surprised at my own reaction to this! I'll get down from the soapbox now. ;)
 

I think you guys are really overeacting here! Am I the lone voice of dissention? Ok, I will be the bad guy. No offense.

I think it would be good for kids to SEE for themselves where there time is spent. It could be a useful tool. It could help with starting good habits!

Anything that gets kids to read more, I am all for it! ANything that gets people to be more aware of how much time they (and their family) spend in front of the tube or video games, could be a useful tool. There may be some people out there that are not aware of how much time it actually is. Not you per se, but I can see how teachers could think this might be a useful tool. I think kids are def spending way too much time watching tv, playing video games, and fiddling around with cell phones. Sounds like YOU have a good habits going, you should be proud of this!

I guess I just don't understand why people would not want to do the assignment. It is not like your child will fail if the teacher thinks they watched too much tv. It is only 3rd grade :)

My dd's do enjoy reading but the reading log has nothing to do with instilling anything except how to lie to a government program.

And you know what, that has been a life lesson.:lmao: My oldest is in college and learning to jump thru bigger hoops and my 7th grader "works the system".
 
This is where I disagree, they are making reading a chore something that has to be done.

You can't develop a lifetime love of something if you're not doing it. At the early stages, reading IS a chore. One can only get better at it by practicing. Therefore, the best way for a child to develp a love of reading is to actually read. Many kids wouldn't pick up a book on their own when they're first learning, simply because it's hard work. Requiring 20 minutes of reading at home gets them to practice, which leads to learning that reading can be fun.
 
This is where I disagree, they are making reading a chore something that has to be done. If anything this is going to put kids off reading rather than give them a lifetime love of it.

I agree! For my daughters summer reading assignments they have horrible book choices that make it painful to get her to do her summer reading- though give her a harry potter book and she will sit there for hours reading it but its not on their "chosen list". She totally hates the summer reading assignments but loves reading so it makes it a total chore for her to read a book she hates-nice way to put kids off reading at a young age!!!
 
I don't think it's such a big deal. I think some of you are making a leap in thinking the government is trying to tell us what to do with our free time. It's probably just being used within the classroom to show the kids how much time they spend doing non-reading activities vs reading.

That said, I hated the reading logs. We were a big reading family and spent so much free time reading -- mornings, evenings, bedtime, weekends... spent afternoons in bookstores. I usually just guesstimated on the logs because I wasn't about to sit and time the reading.
 
Haha I do not think it is a big government conspiracy! Seriously guys? Come on. It is third grade homework, not big brother tracking your minutes. I really think people are over thinking this. I do not think it is that big of a deal unless you feel you have something to hide, which the OP posted she does not.

I do have to say I do not agree with the BMI thing. It is not a very "scientific" way of predicting anything the margin of error is so far off. I think it is up to the DR to track that info not the school. But when I was little the school eye tests was how we discovered I needed glasses. :confused3
 
Haha I do not think it is a big government conspiracy! Seriously guys? Come on. It is third grade homework, not big brother tracking your minutes. I really think people are over thinking this. I do not think it is that big of a deal unless you feel you have something to hide, which the OP posted she does not.

I do have to say I do not agree with the BMI thing. It is not a very "scientific" way of predicting anything the margin of error is so far off. I think it is up to the DR to track that info not the school. But when I was little the school eye tests was how we discovered I needed glasses. :confused3

I found this on the BMI (which is not even scientific why are we falling for this 200 year old snake oil?)



1. The person who dreamed up the BMI said explicitly that it could not and should not be used to indicate the level of fatness in an individual.

The BMI was introduced in the early 19th century by a Belgian named Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet. He was a mathematician, not a physician. He produced the formula to give a quick and easy way to measure the degree of obesity of the general population to assist the government in allocating resources. In other words, it is a 200-year-old hack.

2. It is scientifically nonsensical.

There is no physiological reason to square a person's height (Quetelet had to square the height to get a formula that matched the overall data. If you can't fix the data, rig the formula!). Moreover, it ignores waist size, which is a clear indicator of obesity level.

3. It is physiologically wrong.

It makes no allowance for the relative proportions of bone, muscle and fat in the body. But bone is denser than muscle and twice as dense as fat, so a person with strong bones, good muscle tone and low fat will have a high BMI. Thus, athletes and fit, health-conscious movie stars who work out a lot tend to find themselves classified as overweight or even obese.

4. It gets the logic wrong.

The CDC says on its Web site that "the BMI is a reliable indicator of body fatness for people." This is a fundamental error of logic. For example, if I tell you my birthday present is a bicycle, you can conclude that my present has wheels. That's correct logic. But it does not work the other way round. If I tell you my birthday present has wheels, you cannot conclude I got a bicycle. I could have received a car. Because of how Quetelet came up with it, if a person is fat or obese, he or she will have a high BMI. But as with my birthday present, it doesn't work the other way round. A high BMI does not mean an individual is even overweight, let alone obese. It could mean the person is fit and healthy, with very little fat.

5. It's bad statistics.

Because the majority of people today (and in Quetelet's time) lead fairly sedentary lives and are not particularly active, the formula tacitly assumes low muscle mass and high relative fat content. It applies moderately well when applied to such people because it was formulated by focusing on them. But it gives exactly the wrong answer for a large and significant section of the population, namely the lean, fit and healthy. Quetelet is also the person who came up with the idea of "the average man." That's a useful concept, but if you try to apply it to any one person, you come up with the absurdity of a person with 2.4 children. Averages measure entire populations and often don't apply to individuals.

6. It is lying by scientific authority.

Because the BMI is a single number between 1 and 100 (like a percentage) that comes from a mathematical formula, it carries an air of scientific authority. But it is mathematical snake oil.

7. It suggests there are distinct categories of underweight, ideal, overweight and obese, with sharp boundaries that hinge on a decimal place.

That's total nonsense.

8. It makes the more cynical members of society suspect that the medical insurance industry lobbies for the continued use of the BMI to keep their profits high.

Insurance companies sometimes charge higher premiums for people with a high BMI. Among such people are all those fit individuals with good bone and muscle and little fat, who will live long, healthy lives during which they will have to pay those greater premiums.

9. Continued reliance on the BMI means doctors don't feel the need to use one of the more scientifically sound methods that are available to measure obesity levels.

Those alternatives cost a little bit more, but they give far more reliable results.

10. It embarrasses the U.S.

It is embarrassing for one of the most scientifically, technologically and medicinally advanced nations in the world to base advice on how to prevent one of the leading causes of poor health and premature death (obesity) on a 200-year-old numerical hack developed by a mathematician who was not even an expert in what little was known about the human body back then.
 
I don't like that whole BMI thing in the schools either- thats between [arent/child nd Dr---none of the schools business. Last year they did BMI's in my daughters school and also a fitness test to go along with it- the higher BMI/lowerscoring on the fitness test kids were then giving notes IN CLASS to take home to their parents- it "invited" them to join the before school program they were calling the "fab 5" (of course all the other kids changed it to FAT 5). It was a exercise program to lose weight- it was not open to all kids though many of us said that we would have sent our kids just for the extra exercise but they were not "invited". Every kid knew exactly which kids were "invited" from every class and they were tormented a bit by some of the other kids- it really was a stupid move on the schools part. Many of the parents of the kids that got notes home were at the school screaming about it. My daughters friend was so embarrassed she started not wanting to eat anything and she really wasn't "fat" she is a big kid but a tall kid- twice my daughters height!

Count me in 100% as another person that thinks the BMI testing is junk. I vividly remember, in grade school, doing the BMI test as part of our gym class. I think it was between 4th-6th grade. Anyway, our teacher told us beforehand that our information was private, etc, but of course we all shared with each other afterwards. I can remember being so upset that my number was higher than my friends. By higher, I don't mean by leaps and bounds, but when you are that age, all you see is "my BMI is higher than my friends and I'm fat." I remember that I went and talked to my mom about it after school since I was so upset, and she said something to the school about it. That was in the late 80s, so at least around here, they've been doing it for a while.

In my opinion, you're giving young children information they don't understand and so therefore they jump to all sorts of conclusions. All they are going to see is that their numbers are different than their friends, and of course in elementary school, different is not a good thing. It still makes me sad when I think about, how a 10 year old me felt about myself after that test.
 
While I agree that it is none of their business I also believe you need to pick your battles. Not filling out or writing none of your business will most likely cause problems for your son and while you may not care what the school thinks about you....your son does. I'd fill it out and just decide to not be happy about it...
 
I believe the school's responsibility for you child ends the second they cross over the property line of the school. This includes how they spend their free time. I don't think it is a government conspiracy or anything, but it is none of their business just like it is none of my employers business how much television I watch. If as a parent you want to fill out the form that is fine, just don't make it mandatory.

I am firmly of the opinion that many kids do watch too much tv or do other non-physical activity and that very well may be a problem, but it is up to the parents to raise their children as they see fit. Getting outside and running around is more important to me than either reading or watching TV. All of them have their place but we are meant to be physically active, way more active than we are in modern society. I'm not saying that reading isn't important but sitting in the house and reading Harry Potter all summer at the expense of getting out and running around is just as bad as far as I'm concerned. Read for an hour and play for an hour, that is how I would parent. If the school thinks there is some sort or abuse they should notify the authorities but stay the heck out of it.

Now, as far as BMI goes, too much weight (no pun intended) is placed on it. I am completely for teaching kids healthy lifestyles and giving them healthy choices but blindly using BMI to measure health is not good. It is a tool towards gauging it but things like resting heart rate, body fat % (when measured correctly), VO2 max, and cholesterol levels are much more reliable. If you go outside and run around with your child you will be able to know if they are physically fit. No young child should have a 6 pack, their bodies just aren't set up like that yet.
 
While I agree that it is none of their business I also believe you need to pick your battles. Not filling out or writing none of your business will most likely cause problems for your son and while you may not care what the school thinks about you....your son does. I'd fill it out and just decide to not be happy about it...

Agree there.

I would probably put "0". Then again my kids do not watch TV or play video games, they are on the computer with educational material, reading.:lmao:
 
As well as not taking muscle weight into account, BMI also does not take into account that different people have different bone structures. You can tell what your bone structure is by seeing whether your index finger and thumb meet when you put them around your opposite wrist. If they meet, you have medium bones. If they overlap, you have small bones. If they don't meet you have large bones. Not only do mine not meet, but they are approximately two inches apart. Since bone weighs as much as it does, it is logical to assume that I am going to weigh more than someone who is my height and has approximately the same body fat amount that I do but who has smaller bones. Therefore, I agree that the BMI measurement is junk science.
 
Oh, for heaven's sake. No one is trying to take over your child's parenting nor does anyone want to. The government has enough problems without taking on everyone's kids.

Things like this are just used as a teaching point. It just makes the kids aware of how much time they spend watching TV or playing video games compared to the amount of time reading. It encourages them to read more.

We used to send home, from preschool, little charts for the parents to fill in with stars for each time their child brushed their teeth. I really did NOT care how many times each child brushed or didn't brush their teeth. But it encouraged the kids to want to brush their teeth. Same thing.

You also have to consider that although you are parenting your child, there are many children that parent themselves and sometimes programs like this are geared toward the kids who don't have responsible parents.
 
i have never had a list we had to write the books down we were asked to write down about how many a week the teacher had a little book worm going around the class with the total number read from all the kids....last school year they did the bmi testing(never told the parents). they handed the papers to the kids to give to the parents and had to get them signed to be handed back in. I recieved a phone call from the school nurse yelling at me for my daughter not eating lunch and not signing the paper. i had no clue what she was talking about :confused3when i found out this was thursday they gave the papers on monday my dd read it and was upset so she stopped eating b-fast and lunch (my mom had her in the mornings and dd told her ate at home) well when she got home i had a chat and she said all the people that had "at risk for becoming overweight" had one yellow paper the "normal" had white and "overweight" had another color so everyone knew who had what:mad: i flipped :mad:she also told me when she rec. hers some of the "normal"girls were teasing everyone else saying they shouldn't be allowed to eat. needless to say all the parents rec. a letter saying they were sorry the way that the testing was handled and from now on it will be sent to the childs house in the mail.:confused3
 
This reminds me of a time when my dd was young, they were discussing healthy foods and the teacher went around the class with everyone saying what they had for breakfast that day. Of course it was the day I had baked cupcakes for my older child's class cupcake day and I let my dd have a cupcake for breakfast. :scared1: It was unfrosted and we joked it was like a muffin.
That would be the day the teacher asked about breakfast! :lmao:

Okay because I feel guilty I want to add that she had orange juice and a vitamin with the cupcake!
 
I agree with the PP who said that my son is ultimately the one who will be affected by this assignment. Last night, he chose to watch an hour of PBS because he knew that was educational 'screen time', therefore we didn't place anything in the screen time box this morning. Of course I don't want to do anything that will make him nervous about his responsibilities at school, and if he wants to fill it in, he'll fill it in truthfully (no matter what channel he ends up watching). I know there are bigger issues out there to worry about; my concern is that the state of Massachusetts is infringing on my privacy little by little, and I resent it. I want to push back, but I don't know yet how far I'm willing to go. It's a fine line I think, and I'm grateful for the debate and opinions I'm getting here. Thanks.
 













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