20041218-cruise-friends-memories Part 2
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videogal1
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GOOD NIGHT, ALL!!
I read the article about the flight and it makes me crazy that "foreigners" should take advantage of our civil liberties to try and smack us down....This is the impact of the new "no standing in the aisles" and other policies:
On her way to meet a Disney cruise ship
a physically disabled woman boards a plane with the help of her mobility service dog and is instructed to sit in the window seat instead of the, more accessible, aisle seat. This is because, she is told, she and the dog would be a barrier to others seated in the row if she were seated in the aisle seat, if there had to be an emergency exit from the plane. During the flight the woman must use the lavatory and, unable to climb over the laps of those in the seats located between the window and the aisle, she asks if they could make a path. The passengers (3 in this instance...two along side and one facing) get up and allow the woman room to struggle out of the window seat and make her way to the restroom. Then the excitement begins. As the row empties the pilot begins to yell at the flight attendants to re-seat the passengers who are leaving their seats to allow the woman to struggle past. Two attendants come running and add to the throng. ( The service dog watches in amazement) Finally, the woman reaches the lavatory. As the aisle clears, the disabled woman exits the restroom and slowly moves to regain her seat. Once again the passengers seated in her row move aside into the aisle to allow her to struggle back into the window seat as instructed by the attendant. This time, however, the service dog must also move into the aisle so he can later take his place on top of the disabled handler's feet, being far too large to squish under the seat, as demanded by the flight attendants. Once again the pilot yells for the aisle to be vacated and, after much unnecessary confusion and discomfort, everyone eventually regains their assigned place.
Anyone with half a brain can see the policy flaws in this scenario...
People with mobility impairments should not be forced to sit in window seats, it is difficult enough to negotiate the center aisle. The thought that someone who is disabled is expendable during an in-flight emergency is just completely wrong. With that kind of thinking why don't the airlines just load children into the baggage compartment so they are out of the way, too? It is unacceptable.
If the airlines are going to demand that the aisles be kept clear, why do they insist on sticking the disabled passengers into seats they must first clear the rows of to get to the lavatory? If there is an in-flight emergency wouldn't it be quicker to clear an entire row by moving the mobility impaired out of the way (from an aisle seat) FIRST? Would the airline expect the attendants to block the center aisle while assisting the disabled to extract themselves from the bottom of the row? Or will they simply leave them there? Here, Granny, burn.
And, finally, what is this bizarre thinking that requires a service dog to fit under an airline seat? Whatever happened to the bulkhead seating specified in the Air Carriers Access Act?
If the airlines can play fast and loose with the health and comfort, not to mention the civil rights of those who pose no threat to the airline industry, the mobility impaired, why can they not exercise a little control over those who, by their suspicious actions, deserve to be controlled?
If I start walking now do you think I could make it to Florida by Dec. 18?.....
WHEW!! One more deep breath:
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Do you think I could have gotten more page mileage by chopping this up into bitty pieces?
I read the article about the flight and it makes me crazy that "foreigners" should take advantage of our civil liberties to try and smack us down....This is the impact of the new "no standing in the aisles" and other policies:
On her way to meet a Disney cruise ship
a physically disabled woman boards a plane with the help of her mobility service dog and is instructed to sit in the window seat instead of the, more accessible, aisle seat. This is because, she is told, she and the dog would be a barrier to others seated in the row if she were seated in the aisle seat, if there had to be an emergency exit from the plane. During the flight the woman must use the lavatory and, unable to climb over the laps of those in the seats located between the window and the aisle, she asks if they could make a path. The passengers (3 in this instance...two along side and one facing) get up and allow the woman room to struggle out of the window seat and make her way to the restroom. Then the excitement begins. As the row empties the pilot begins to yell at the flight attendants to re-seat the passengers who are leaving their seats to allow the woman to struggle past. Two attendants come running and add to the throng. ( The service dog watches in amazement) Finally, the woman reaches the lavatory. As the aisle clears, the disabled woman exits the restroom and slowly moves to regain her seat. Once again the passengers seated in her row move aside into the aisle to allow her to struggle back into the window seat as instructed by the attendant. This time, however, the service dog must also move into the aisle so he can later take his place on top of the disabled handler's feet, being far too large to squish under the seat, as demanded by the flight attendants. Once again the pilot yells for the aisle to be vacated and, after much unnecessary confusion and discomfort, everyone eventually regains their assigned place.
Anyone with half a brain can see the policy flaws in this scenario...
People with mobility impairments should not be forced to sit in window seats, it is difficult enough to negotiate the center aisle. The thought that someone who is disabled is expendable during an in-flight emergency is just completely wrong. With that kind of thinking why don't the airlines just load children into the baggage compartment so they are out of the way, too? It is unacceptable.
If the airlines are going to demand that the aisles be kept clear, why do they insist on sticking the disabled passengers into seats they must first clear the rows of to get to the lavatory? If there is an in-flight emergency wouldn't it be quicker to clear an entire row by moving the mobility impaired out of the way (from an aisle seat) FIRST? Would the airline expect the attendants to block the center aisle while assisting the disabled to extract themselves from the bottom of the row? Or will they simply leave them there? Here, Granny, burn.
And, finally, what is this bizarre thinking that requires a service dog to fit under an airline seat? Whatever happened to the bulkhead seating specified in the Air Carriers Access Act?
If the airlines can play fast and loose with the health and comfort, not to mention the civil rights of those who pose no threat to the airline industry, the mobility impaired, why can they not exercise a little control over those who, by their suspicious actions, deserve to be controlled?
If I start walking now do you think I could make it to Florida by Dec. 18?.....
WHEW!! One more deep breath:
The Fluff Queen asks:
Do you think I could have gotten more page mileage by chopping this up into bitty pieces?
videogal1
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and, with fanfare, THAT was my 400th post on this thread.....
Not bad for an old broad who just got two injections into the joint of one knee and has to spend her days waving one foot in the air so the swelling will go away....(back to her head, I guess).....
10,000 here we come...
Not bad for an old broad who just got two injections into the joint of one knee and has to spend her days waving one foot in the air so the swelling will go away....(back to her head, I guess).....
10,000 here we come...
videogal1
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and, speaking of packing, I just bought Cash a new, larger, pack, spent $800 for a new motor for my cute little scooter (pictured with my sig.) ...did I ever tell you the story of the scooter and the sand trap?...and a bunch of shorts and tank tops for my rainbow-colored arrival in Aruba.....
PLUS, ta daaa.....fancy duds with enough slinky fabric, sequins, and pizazz to hide the fact that although I'm purchasing them for my current size (Omar) I actually seem to be shrinking and it won't affect the way they fit at all.... Baby, nobody but Cash is going to get close enough to tell whether I actually fill out all those folds of fabric, anyway... just have to remember to stay out of the wind....
HAPPY SATURDAY MORNING, EVERYONE.....
Could anyone remind me of how many "formal/semi-formal" nights there will be on the cruise?
PLUS, ta daaa.....fancy duds with enough slinky fabric, sequins, and pizazz to hide the fact that although I'm purchasing them for my current size (Omar) I actually seem to be shrinking and it won't affect the way they fit at all.... Baby, nobody but Cash is going to get close enough to tell whether I actually fill out all those folds of fabric, anyway... just have to remember to stay out of the wind....
HAPPY SATURDAY MORNING, EVERYONE.....
Could anyone remind me of how many "formal/semi-formal" nights there will be on the cruise?
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Don't worry, Paul, I feel the same way...Get a load of my right-handed keyboard:
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We sail in 22 weeks!
Good morning all!
Lisa - sorry I couldn't stay in chat longer. My eyes were just so heavy I couldn't keep them open.
Gail - sorry to hear I left chat before you showed up.
Hope you have a great one!Charlotte - nice to see you posting. You had said before you were sending me a pm but I never got it. If you have sent it could you please resend.
Paul - that's cool that you have a DIS meet to go to. Enjoy!
Virgil - hope you enjoy your weekend. We plan on seeing I-Robot if not this weekend then soon.
Well I'm off to read the boards.
Have a great day everyone!
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Didn't make it to chat last night either. We dropped off the kids at grandparents and then met ohiomickey's cousin at home depot. He's redoing our master bathroom (it's about the size of a DCL bathroom, so not a ton to it) We walked up and down the aisles buying everything Matthew said he'd need. Kinda fun, actually. I asked him if it was fun to go around and spend other people's money like that! 
Then we filled out a "will call" order for the big stuff and Matthew will pick it up Monday and start demolishing our bathroom! (KT has acting classes and I won't be home from 8-4 tomorrow--It'll be exciting to come home and see what's done!)
So then, since it was 8:00, we stopped for a burger before going to get the kids....since we figured they had eaten already with the grandparents. Turns out, they were waiting for US to get back to eat....and then they talked and talked....and showed us plans for their new house they are building. FINALLY ordered the pizza at around 9:30. It arrived at 10, just as my kids were, in their words, "starving to death." We couldn't extract ourselves from there until 11:30!
So, needless to say, we came home and dropped into bed. I wonder if the neighbors have noticed we have a toilet in the back of the truck??!
Then we filled out a "will call" order for the big stuff and Matthew will pick it up Monday and start demolishing our bathroom! (KT has acting classes and I won't be home from 8-4 tomorrow--It'll be exciting to come home and see what's done!)So then, since it was 8:00, we stopped for a burger before going to get the kids....since we figured they had eaten already with the grandparents. Turns out, they were waiting for US to get back to eat....and then they talked and talked....and showed us plans for their new house they are building. FINALLY ordered the pizza at around 9:30. It arrived at 10, just as my kids were, in their words, "starving to death." We couldn't extract ourselves from there until 11:30!
So, needless to say, we came home and dropped into bed. I wonder if the neighbors have noticed we have a toilet in the back of the truck??!
Minnie, you're awake after all that!!! Wow!
Lynda, One of the things that I love about pre-cruise meet threads is the way that we can all get a glimpse at other people's points of view. You have truly opened my eyes to a world that I never thought much about. I hope that I've never caused a mobility impaired person any additional difficulty, but I now will make extra special sure to consider some of the challenges that they face whenever I see someone in your situation. Thanks for always being willing to share.
Mary, no problem. When I got back on chat, it was kind of slow, but several people came on about 10 and livened it back up. I signed off about 10:30 because I was just too tired to keep up.
Well, off for a 2 hour drive to get DD. Talk to you all soon. Lisa
Lynda, One of the things that I love about pre-cruise meet threads is the way that we can all get a glimpse at other people's points of view. You have truly opened my eyes to a world that I never thought much about. I hope that I've never caused a mobility impaired person any additional difficulty, but I now will make extra special sure to consider some of the challenges that they face whenever I see someone in your situation. Thanks for always being willing to share.
Mary, no problem. When I got back on chat, it was kind of slow, but several people came on about 10 and livened it back up. I signed off about 10:30 because I was just too tired to keep up.
Well, off for a 2 hour drive to get DD. Talk to you all soon. Lisa
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Good morning -
Didn't make it to chat last night I fell asleep about 8:30.
I guess it was a longer day than I thought.
Thanks for the link to the flight article. I probobly shouldn't have read it knowing I will be heading to WDW via NorthWest Airline. (from Detroit) But once I read that part I just couldn't stop. It was very riviting!! (and a bit frightening) No it won't stop me from flying next month, just cause me to be a bit more observant.
Linda I think everyone need to be aware of those around them with special needs. I hate to see people walk in a door and not hold it for someone behind them or coming out of the door that might have difficulty getting through by them selves. Some people just aren't observant or don't think.
WVMD Sorry you had such a busy night in the ED. Hope the little peds pt is OK. We don't have a peds ICU so those patients are usually sent south (Toledo Children's)
We have been rather busy in OB too I think there must be something in the air.
(or the water
) or is there a full moon, I am sometimes hesitant to look.
Hope everyone has a
GREAT SATURDAY AND A GREAT WEEKEND
Vicki
Didn't make it to chat last night I fell asleep about 8:30.
I guess it was a longer day than I thought. Thanks for the link to the flight article. I probobly shouldn't have read it knowing I will be heading to WDW via NorthWest Airline. (from Detroit) But once I read that part I just couldn't stop. It was very riviting!! (and a bit frightening) No it won't stop me from flying next month, just cause me to be a bit more observant.
Linda I think everyone need to be aware of those around them with special needs. I hate to see people walk in a door and not hold it for someone behind them or coming out of the door that might have difficulty getting through by them selves. Some people just aren't observant or don't think.
WVMD Sorry you had such a busy night in the ED. Hope the little peds pt is OK. We don't have a peds ICU so those patients are usually sent south (Toledo Children's)
We have been rather busy in OB too I think there must be something in the air.
(or the water ) or is there a full moon, I am sometimes hesitant to look. Hope everyone has a
GREAT SATURDAY AND A GREAT WEEKEND
Vicki
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OK, Gail, here's your Birthday Party! Hope it's a happy, happy one, and hope I finally have the day right!
Lynda, I will never complain about travelling discomfort again. Cheers to you for being determined to enjoy life and continuing to travel. I think I might give up and stay home if faced with your challenges.
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okay GOOD MORNING
HAPPY SATURDAY
so I work with my babies and you guys go crazy on posting
G R E A T J O B A L L
ANOTHER DAY AT WORK.
I traded it with another FF so now he works for me in Dec.
looks like I need to check out the safty at W D W nexted week I hope
HOW EVER I still have almost 20 acres of hay to get planted.
then YES OUTTA HERE
well shirts of the old style get ordered on monday ANYONE ONE ELSE.????????????
THEN the new design WHAT COLOR WAS THE STAR THE ISLAND NAME SORRY donot remember.
these I will have the art work going to final next week.
time too work alittle
gaRry
HAPPY SATURDAY
so I work with my babies and you guys go crazy on posting
G R E A T J O B A L L
ANOTHER DAY AT WORK.
I traded it with another FF so now he works for me in Dec.
looks like I need to check out the safty at W D W nexted week I hope
HOW EVER I still have almost 20 acres of hay to get planted.
then YES OUTTA HERE
well shirts of the old style get ordered on monday ANYONE ONE ELSE.????????????
THEN the new design WHAT COLOR WAS THE STAR THE ISLAND NAME SORRY donot remember.
these I will have the art work going to final next week.
time too work alittle
gaRry
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Saw us slipping down the page so I thought I'd give us a bump.
With Stacey & Virgil gone, and Gail having guests in for the weekend I think it is going to be quiet on the thread.
So here's a question for those that are reading - especially you lurkers.
What are you planning on doing on this cruise that you've never done before?
With Stacey & Virgil gone, and Gail having guests in for the weekend I think it is going to be quiet on the thread.
So here's a question for those that are reading - especially you lurkers.
What are you planning on doing on this cruise that you've never done before?
Mary - to answer your question, I think the only thing that we are going to try and do more of is attend more of the late night shows. We have never been to any of them during our past 3 cruises. It's always been - go to the main show at 8:30pm and then just relax. More late shows, that is our goal this time.
As I posted before, I'm training for a charity bicycle ride that raises funds for the Arthritis Foundation. I put in 54 miles today with another local rider. That was fun, but he was somewhat slower then I usually ride, so I had to stop and wait for him every so often. I guess it's good to be patient sometimes.
We get to go see Fleetwood Mac tonight - I'm looking forward to that.
TTFN (Ta Ta For Now)
Ken
As I posted before, I'm training for a charity bicycle ride that raises funds for the Arthritis Foundation. I put in 54 miles today with another local rider. That was fun, but he was somewhat slower then I usually ride, so I had to stop and wait for him every so often. I guess it's good to be patient sometimes.
We get to go see Fleetwood Mac tonight - I'm looking forward to that.
TTFN (Ta Ta For Now)
Ken
gaRry - Did you get my PM regarding the shirt?
Lynda - I agree with Lisa. I'm also learning a lot about the problems faced by the disabled. My Mom recently had a stroke and lost most of her ability to get around on her own. It's been a real eye-opener for me.
Paul
Lynda - I agree with Lisa. I'm also learning a lot about the problems faced by the disabled. My Mom recently had a stroke and lost most of her ability to get around on her own. It's been a real eye-opener for me.
Paul
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Well - I survived the reunion - it wasn't too bad... the drive to get there after picking up DD was way too long.....
Diana - It was Frances' medical assistants that said that..... She's a nurse practitioner in a high school based health clinic.... they think she's sooo old...LOL
Well - just got in - it's 2am - and I guess I better get to bed....
Happy Sunday Morning to all of the DIS Cruisers!!!
Diana - It was Frances' medical assistants that said that..... She's a nurse practitioner in a high school based health clinic.... they think she's sooo old...LOL
Well - just got in - it's 2am - and I guess I better get to bed....
Happy Sunday Morning to all of the DIS Cruisers!!!
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