Lightening lane burner rides + booking window

I don’t want to actively take spots from others, and would probably ride some of the rides I would choose as burners, however our group is just adults so shows like frozen aren’t really of interest to us. I will definitely be mindful though to try to minimize my effect!
That is definitely a case where you'd be affecting families with children (or parties of all adults) who really do want to be able to do it. IMHO that's not a minimal effect LL.
 
I may be naive but I don't understand the concern about taking a ride from someone else. Isn't that what the standby line is for?
Fair question but your not taking a ride from someone but forcing other guests to later times in the day or using the Standby line. The Standby line is for guests that don't want to purchase LLMP or just want to show up at an attraction, and wait with no advance planning or scheduling that a LLMP and/or LLSP takes.

Also each LLMP attraction has a daily limit of LLMP return time available, and limits during any hour increment or time window like 9 - 11 AM. If guests with children in their travel party for example purchase LLMP for only tier 2 attractions and want to book additional LLMP selections on day of use. Attraction like Mad Tea Party or The Magic Carpets of Aladin for examples may suffer with guests using these attractions as a burner LLMP in the morning.

Dave
 
That is definitely a case where you'd be affecting families with children (or parties of all adults) who really do want to be able to do it. IMHO that's not a minimal effect LL.
I didn’t really think the shows or other smaller rides ran out of lightening lanes unless it was super busy season! Are there other burner rides that won’t run out of lightening lanes/wont affect anyone? Not trying to take spots from people, but it almost feels like with everyone trying to maximize the system if I don’t I end up losing out while others will get the coveted extra tier 1 spots
 
Also each LLMP attraction has a daily limit of LLMP return time available, and limits during any hour increment or time window like 9 - 11 AM. If guests with children in their travel party for example purchase LLMP for only tier 2 attractions and want to book additional LLMP selections on day of use. Attraction like Mad Tea Party or The Magic Carpets of Aladin for examples may suffer with guests using these attractions as a burner LLMP in the morning.
I understand your point. I would think that a shorter standby time would enable guests to use standby and apply their LLMP to other attractions.
 

That is definitely a case where you'd be affecting families with children (or parties of all adults) who really do want to be able to do it. IMHO that's not a minimal effect LL.
I would be extremely surprised if the theater was completely full for the first showing of Frozen. Maybe in the middle of the day but the first hour when all other rides have shorter lines? Doubtful.

I guess you wouldn't be happy if I told you that one night I was at HS when everything had run out there and I was looking around on my phone while in line and actually found a Tiana LL for later that evening since MK closed later. I wasn't planning on even going to MK that night but I booked it because that LL was near closing time and there were thunderstorms that night. Sure enough lightning came and shut down all outdoor rides at MK near closing and I ended up with a redemption LL good on any LLMP ride (including all tier 1s) the next day.
 
I may be naive but I don't understand the concern about taking a ride from someone else. Isn't that what the standby line is for?
The conversation is about return times as such available via Disney's systems. The OP is trying to use Disney's system, they aren't asking about what attraction has the lowest wait time in the morning so they can ride it via standby it's about which attraction or show should they use as a way to more quickly use up the 3 so they can get more. It's a reasonable question but ultimately in a gray area (for some) on doing that without the intention to actually ride said attraction or watch said show. The OP mentions depending on what was selected they may watch the show or ride the attraction.

As far as how Disney is using this information they have a wealth of data and normally I would think release return times for portions of the day they anticipate the wait time being longer so guest interference with that by means of booking but not riding/watching can alter that back algorithm. It would take enough people and enough time to see a pattern for Disney to adjust this factor though.
 
The OP is trying to use Disney's system, they aren't asking about what attraction has the lowest wait time in the morning so they can ride it via standby it's about which attraction or show should they use as a way to more quickly use up the 3 so they can get more.
Not exactly @Dvc_queen was inquiring about using their first (maybe a Burner) LLMP attraction to unlock Tiers and by connection Multi Park LLMP booking ability to allow their travel party to book additional Tier 1 attractions that are unlocked as soon as they Tap in to their first LLMP attraction in the park.

Just a reminder to all following this thread. You don't need to use all of your 3 initial LLMP first. It is just a rolling list of 3 that you hold at any 1 time. Many guests think that you have to use all 3 before you can book replacements,

Dave
 
Not exactly @Dvc_queen was inquiring about using their first (maybe a Burner) LLMP attraction to unlock Tiers and by connection Multi Park LLMP booking ability to allow their travel party to book additional Tier 1 attractions that are unlocked as soon as they Tap in to their first LLMP attraction in the park.

Just a reminder to all following this thread. You don't need to use all of your 3 initial LLMP first. It is just a rolling list of 3 that you hold at any 1 time. Many guests think that you have to use all 3 before you can book replacements,

Dave
That's true my exact wording might be confusing for others reading along. You don't have to use all three nowadays (that was the case under FP+ rules) to get more but you are restricted on only being allowed one Tier 1 pre-booked so while I didn't specify what my mind was thinking (and didn't fully spell out) was with respects to more Tier 1 attractions.

Typically the goal when you're thinking about a throwaway attractions is to get more Tier 1 (and earlier if not on a day where Tier 1 have run out already) because you can pre-select all three of yours as Tier 2, there's not as much of an advantage to a throwaway if you only care about Tier 2 attractions and not tier 1 (of which many would be later in the day anyhow by the time you get there). Maybe the OP is just thinking to get as many attractions irrespective of the Tier but I was going in they were thinking about getting more Tier 1 (byproduct of additional Tier 2 perhaps having earlier times available when they get into the parks).
 
I would be extremely surprised if the theater was completely full for the first showing of Frozen.
I do agree on this one so long as it's not on a super super busy day or a day where the weather is already poor from the start but both of those can be a risk when pre-booking as you may not fully know yet. Frozen would get busier by mid-day and on especially in hot or stormy weather as people seek shelter somewhere for a long enough time to get a/c or out from the rain/storms. That said the PP was more talking about the intent to not see the show because their party isn't really interested in it which is where the seesaw conversation is coming about.
 
That's true my exact wording might be confusing for others reading along. You don't have to use all three nowadays (that was the case under FP+ rules) to get more but you are restricted on only being allowed one Tier 1 pre-booked so while I didn't specify what my mind was thinking (and didn't fully spell out) was with respects to more Tier 1 attractions.

Typically the goal when you're thinking about a throwaway attractions is to get more Tier 1 (and earlier if not on a day where Tier 1 have run out already) because you can pre-select all three of yours as Tier 2, there's not as much of an advantage to a throwaway if you only care about Tier 2 attractions and not tier 1 (of which many would be later in the day anyhow by the time you get there). Maybe the OP is just thinking to get as many attractions irrespective of the Tier but I was going in they were thinking about getting more Tier 1 (byproduct of additional Tier 2 perhaps having earlier times available when they get into the parks).
Yes I am hoping to get additional tier 1 rides (particularly in HS and MK), although the more lightening lanes I can get the better!
 
100% agree!!...Do the right thing, stand tall and don't use the burner loophole...

It's not a loophole. It's a strategy.

Anyone who thinks - legitimately believes - that "wasting" a 9:05 reservation for the Teacups is taking anything away from other guests has never been to WDW. (Spoiler alert: times for the teacups at not 9:05 will NOT sell out.)
 
It's not a loophole. It's a strategy.

Anyone who thinks - legitimately believes - that "wasting" a 9:05 reservation for the Teacups is taking anything away from other guests has never been to WDW. (Spoiler alert: times for the teacups at not 9:05 will NOT sell out.)
In busy seasons. It’ll push the return times way out. If I had kids that were really looking forward to some of these “burner attractions” and were planning to park hop, I’d honestly be a little irritated that we couldn’t get earlier times prior to park hopping. What may be a “burner” to some might be a “must-do” for others.
 












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