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Agreed HP has passed stuff like Star Wars IMO and will be revered the way LOTR is today if not more.

I'm glad you brought this one up.

They can't even seem to get the hobbit made...and other than endless replays on TNT, who has mentioned or even thought about the lord of the rings in five years?

hardly any other than the LOTR equivalent of Trekkies.

I love Tolkein and i'm not dismissing what they've done with the works...i'm simply saying that no franchise will keep attention like star wars because star wars was made with 3 tv stations, a radio, and no multimedia.

there is simply too many diversions for that kinda thing to stand the test of time now.

I seriously doubt that most kids and young adults even remember what they've seen a day after walking out of a 200 million dollar "blockbuster" now...there's simply more things to keep the mind busy at your fingertips.

harry potter will suffer the same fate.
 
Not counting DisneySea then? It opened in 2001, yes, TWDC didn't pay for it, but Imagineering still worked on it.

the budget is everything...so no i don't count it. Obviously if you give the imagineers no budget constraints...or at least let some other office halfway around the world deal with them...they are going to be working harder, more creative, and ultimately more successful.

That isn't just an imagineer...that's a human response.
 
I believe the HP Phenomenon will die down when the generation who originally read the books grows older and start to pass. Just my $0.02
 

Bye the way The Hobbit is currently in production.

Yup...and it had nothing to do with someone not thinking the audience was still there...it had to do with MGM's bankruptcy.

Tolkien has been popular for many, many years...but the movies brought it to the mainstream.
 
I believe the HP Phenomenon will die down when the generation who originally read the books grows older and start to pass. Just my $0.02

We'll see.

My 8 year old is starting to read the Potter books...because I read them (and so has my wife).

I suspect you're going to see a lot of that generational pass down of the books, at least. Just like many people "pass down" the Tolkien or CS Lewis or Roald Dahl books to their kids. And that will probably lead to the HP movies sticking around, too.

I don't think HP will remain in the "hive mind" of society forever. I'm not sure it will stick around as long as Star Wars has (we're 30+ years from the first movie and the franchise is still pretty strong).

BUT..we are coming up on the 15th anniversary of the release of the first Potter book (1997). Granted, it didn't take off IMMEDIATELY on publication..but that's a pretty long run in and of itself.
 
Bye the way The Hobbit is currently in production.

and has been for a long time...yes i know that.

i'm not discounting anything about Tolkien...as the stories are almost 100 years old and have been very successful in cult and with the movies did very well.

I'm sure the hobbit will do 300 million at the box office...but at 14.00 a ticket that isn't something that would indicate cultural staying power.

heck...if you take into account the increase in price between 2001 and 2010..is not the harry potter franchise actually losing audience (at least movies)? just off the top of my head i would venture that be the case (no math). And its kinda hard to assess print media because we are squre in the middle of a transition into digital only...so who knows what might happen. could kids everywhere read away on their ipads and boost the stories? sure. could it flame out and bury recreational reading altogether? just as likely.

nothing...and i mean...nothing is going to be a phenomenon in the 21st century as we saw in the 20th...and if you need tangible things that i'm speaking of...how about Walt Disney, Star Wars, Coca-cola, and baseball...

harry potter, nor tolkein (i can't remember the spelling), nor anything else will have that kinda longevity or pull...there are too many other options and the pace of information is ridiculously fast now and speeding up by the minute.

The closest things i can think of now are Pixar, google, facebook, and the run apple has been on. Do you think any of them will last 50 years? not likely...and i'd bet on pixar or apple over harry potter anyday. pixar is a good example...as it has been around exactly 15 years and is outrunning any media products that have been thrown against it...on the whole. harry potter is right there with it...but the smart assessment is neither will be around at their current level for another 20, 30, 40 years. It almost not feasible.
 
We'll see.

My 8 year old is starting to read the Potter books...because I read them (and so has my wife).

I suspect you're going to see a lot of that generational pass down of the books, at least. Just like many people "pass down" the Tolkien or CS Lewis or Roald Dahl books to their kids. And that will probably lead to the HP movies sticking around, too.

I don't think HP will remain in the "hive mind" of society forever. I'm not sure it will stick around as long as Star Wars has (we're 30+ years from the first movie and the franchise is still pretty strong).

BUT..we are coming up on the 15th anniversary of the release of the first Potter book (1997). Granted, it didn't take off IMMEDIATELY on publication..but that's a pretty long run in and of itself.

right...harry potter has been around 15 years...now i'm being told it will be culturally ingrained for another 50...

is that logical considering the massive amount of shifts in media and entertainment we have seen in just the last 20 years?
 
Build a great attraction and the cultural staying power of the franchise won't matter much... Star Wars was a walkon before the refurb because it was a crummy simulator ride -- and my guess is it will return to that after the initial reopening frenzy fades. Meanwhile, ToT had 40+ minute waits at the time (when SW was a walkon) despite the fact that most of the people waiting in line had probably never seen an episode.

The Potter attraction at IOA will live or die on whether they keep it fresh and original... not on how many Gen-Y people keep returning to experience it again and again (and if that's what Universal is counting on, they'll ultimately be disappointed).

That said, speaking as a non-Potter person, I think they've done a bang-up job with that area... I was really impressed with it and hope they keep at it.
 
Build a great attraction and the cultural staying power of the franchise won't matter much... Star Wars was a walkon before the refurb because it was a crummy simulator ride -- and my guess is it will return to that after the initial reopening frenzy fades. Meanwhile, ToT had 40+ minute waits at the time (when SW was a walkon) despite the fact that most of the people waiting in line had probably never seen an episode.

The Potter attraction at IOA will live or die on whether they keep it fresh and original... not on how many Gen-Y people keep returning to experience it again and again (and if that's what Universal is counting on, they'll ultimately be disappointed).

That said, speaking as a non-Potter person, I think they've done a bang-up job with that area... I was really impressed with it and hope they keep at it.

great point and i do agree with you to get back on topic.

i just hate when i see the arguments about WDW having to compete with harry potter or even sea world/ busch gardens.

that is not the economic reality...never has been...and it is almost a statistical certainty that it will never change.

disney holds too much pull in the amusement market there...and their brand power is (and i'm not kidding) 10 times anything that the competitors can muster towards it. that includes harry potter, dr suess, spiderman, shamu, the lock ness monster, lego, or the spice girls.

that is it...perhaps universal can chip away a little...something new can trump them a bit a la Discovery Cove...lego will be successful and nibble at the pie.

but the lion's share is never in doubt...not nearly to the level it would be to necessitate what all the potterheads want the truth to be:

that disney will have to look at WDW other than what it is (a cash cow that is no longer a high priority for reinvestment in many areas, for many reasons) and start to really care about the place and give it more than hotel rooms and low budget facelifts. But that is simply disneyphile wishful thinking.

Don't believe me? look at the opening dates of attractions from 71-00...it was consistent and numerous....now look at the last 10 years...stagnant.

one big success - toy story mania...one big goof - everest...and the rest retreads, silly things like kim possible, off the rack junk like chester and hester...and some lame parades and shows.

the place has been on autopilot for along time...eisner succeeded in making it big enough to negate any realistic competition...and now its a cow to milk...which was the end goal from the beginning.

and things like DVC and value resorts just propogates the trend...they know they've got me and i'm coming...so why build a true indiana jones attraction? why replace star tours with something that isn't 1985 technology? why add a country to EPCOT or resurrect life or imagination? (apparently life isn't important *alert the conservative christian movement* and imagination is too expensive to use these days)? why go through the trouble of asking the chinese government you're in bed with for some panda bears? why build an austrailia or a true kids land in DAK? why go ahead and convert the rest of wasted space in mgm into something that will make my 87 dollar ticket slightly worth it?

it would only cut into the profits and they already got me...that's why. and that beachhead is well established.

bravo

that's it...why no 5th gate makes one damn bit of sense. and its pretty indisputable if you use your head and not your disney organ for this one.
 
Bottom line it WWOHP is the best themed land that has ever been created. Nothing comes close and also it currently has the best ride in the world. So this is what will keep people coming.

People will not knocking down the door to ride EE, or Mission Space in 10 years.
 
Bottom line it WWOHP is the best themed land that has ever been created. Nothing comes close and also it currently has the best ride in the world. So this is what will keep people coming.

People will not knocking down the door to ride EE, or Mission Space in 10 years.


Haha, they aren't knocking down the door to ride Mission Space right now.
 
Bottom line it WWOHP is the best themed land that has ever been created. Nothing comes close and also it currently has the best ride in the world. So this is what will keep people coming.

People will not knocking down the door to ride EE, or Mission Space in 10 years.
I wholeheartedly agree. There is no need to think only Disney is capable of magic, that is Disney PR. The fact is WWOHP came from many of the same folks who gave us a lot of our favorite Disney attractions I'll bet.

I'd be thrilled if Sea World somehow out did WWOHP ... It's just all good.
 
wrong...i've heard this a thousand times...and its been a thousand times wrong.

harry potter will continue to be a value only while there is new material or the prospect of new material...and may phase out even with that.

but this argument is time sensitive...so it can only be a draw until the time lapses

For some reason you seem to be assuming that the HP books won't become timeless kids classics for generations to enjoy. I personally think they are quite timelessly written and can withstand a changing world for quite some time. I agree with NYTimz though that the ultimate success / failure rests solely with how Universal develops WWOHP going forward.
 
For some reason you seem to be assuming that the HP books won't become timeless kids classics for generations to enjoy. I personally think they are quite timelessly written and can withstand a changing world for quite some time. I agree with NYTimz though that the ultimate success / failure rests solely with how Universal develops WWOHP going forward.

with the rapid rate of technological development...i'm not sure any books can be timeless kids classics for generations...

i'm using the last 15 years as a guide...unless we've hit somekind of technological plateau...more things that we take for granted as being just a part of life may become obselete and fade.

that's where i'm coming from...it's not that i think harry potter is unworthy of longevity...its that i have serious doubts that such a thing will exist from any time of entertainment franchise...

and yes...that could mean that disney may fall as well...which, while unlikely...would have been inconceivable a short few years ago.
 
Even Snow White is getting remade...classics only go so far.

I don't think Harry Potter will fade too rapidly. After the DVD release of the last installment hits the shelves, the hype will certainly die down, but NOTHING can keep that sort of hype up. It will remain in the background though, until JK decides she needs to be a little bit richer, and delves back into her world, and the cycle will begin again...

She's create a universe in which to play. Plenty of stories that can be told in that universe. Much like Star Wars, Middle-Earth, etc.

Whether she can stay away from the pressure to being Harry back or not remains to be seen...
 
For some reason you seem to be assuming that the HP books won't become timeless kids classics for generations to enjoy. I personally think they are quite timelessly written and can withstand a changing world for quite some time. I agree with NYTimz though that the ultimate success / failure rests solely with how Universal develops WWOHP going forward.

I don't agree here. I think it depends on how long the hype can stay up. Are the next generation of tween and teens going to enjoy HP enough to keep the park running? Because we all know the next group of children are going to flock to WDW and the next and the next. Until something happens and they HAVE to shut down. I just don't believe the same will be for HP. I believe that something else will grab their attention with 10-15 years and HP will be a forgotten classic.

As a PP said I'm not saying that HP doesn't deserve to be a classic. But with our society Disney is the company that is sailing right now. Kids love Disney and always will no matter what. Teens and young adults will stop loving HP LONG before Disney,just wait for the next big fad. At one point I thought maybe twilight but it seems to be wearing off. Trust me something will steal that thunder and while Disney won't have to spend money retheming Universal will.

If people stop caring about HP it won't matter what Universal does.
 
I don't agree here. I think it depends on how long the hype can stay up. Are the next generation of tween and teens going to enjoy HP enough to keep the park running? Because we all know the next group of children are going to flock to WDW and the next and the next. Until something happens and they HAVE to shut down. I just don't believe the same will be for HP. I believe that something else will grab their attention with 10-15 years and HP will be a forgotten classic.

As a PP said I'm not saying that HP doesn't deserve to be a classic. But with our society Disney is the company that is sailing right now. Kids love Disney and always will no matter what. Teens and young adults will stop loving HP LONG before Disney,just wait for the next big fad. At one point I thought maybe twilight but it seems to be wearing off. Trust me something will steal that thunder and while Disney won't have to spend money retheming Universal will.

If people stop caring about HP it won't matter what Universal does.

I think you have it backwards ... It doesn't matter what happens to HP as long as Universal is willing to keep the Park relevant by implementing meaningful change. The public will come back to experience great additions regardless of the ongoing relevancy of HP.

Twilight wasn't even close. It was a fad.

Kids don't love disney, parents do. As time goes on and more and more parents see that there is, in reality, no difference between the Universal, Busch Gardens, Sea World and WDW companies these "walls" begin (have begun) to fall.

Universal has proven that someone other that Disney can build the best theme park land on earth, now they just have to maintain that aggressiveness ... something Disney hasn't been willing to do. But if Disney decides to once again be a true entertainment leader, then good for all of us.
 
I don't agree here. I think it depends on how long the hype can stay up. Are the next generation of tween and teens going to enjoy HP enough to keep the park running? Because we all know the next group of children are going to flock to WDW and the next and the next. Until something happens and they HAVE to shut down. I just don't believe the same will be for HP. I believe that something else will grab their attention with 10-15 years and HP will be a forgotten classic.

As a PP said I'm not saying that HP doesn't deserve to be a classic. But with our society Disney is the company that is sailing right now. Kids love Disney and always will no matter what. Teens and young adults will stop loving HP LONG before Disney,just wait for the next big fad. At one point I thought maybe twilight but it seems to be wearing off. Trust me something will steal that thunder and while Disney won't have to spend money retheming Universal will.

If people stop caring about HP it won't matter what Universal does.

But if we compare the latest Disney attraction they're promoting...the Little Mermaid...I mean it was an ok, movie, but because it's at Disney it gets a pass and HP doesn't? What if the Little Mermaid doesn't resonate well with the next generation, but HP does?
 


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