13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[mrsksomeday]

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
I can Confirm that today trache & g tube procedure on Jahi McMath was a success, she is doing very well

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
and now getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago. Family is seeking to focus attention on Jahi and no press conference.

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from CHO

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Delusional, completely utterly delusional.

 

[bcla]

Nope. Maternity is not locked. The babies wear a little LoJack bracelet and if anyone tried to take a baby or remove the bracelet then it triggers a lockdown.

We didn't have that on our maternity or birthing floors where my kid was born. My wife wore a fairly simple ID bracelet matching the one on our baby. The only way in or out (other than the alarmed emergency exits) were via the elevators next to the security desk. There was a rent-a-cop stationed there at all times. They couldn't even go to the bathroom without getting someone to take over the post. Granted they didn't seem to be in any kind of highly skilled position, but the hospital itself was fairly serious about security.

Now I suppose it might have been possible to rappel in from outside to the small courtyard.

But I have mentioned county hospitals often being serious about security. They often have to deal with treating gang members who might continue to be targets. They have real law enforcement. I'm not sure about a place like Stanford with a Level I trauma center (and proximity to gang violence in East Palo Alto and parts of San Mateo and Santa Clara County), but the school itself has deputized reserve sheriff's deputies as full school public safety employees. They employ them but get law enforcement status for them and require real law enforcement training.

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.facilitycare.com/safety-security-zone/gang-violence

Across the country, gang members enter hospital emergency rooms on a daily basis as victims of shootings, stabbings and beatings, as well as for non-violence-related medical needs. Many are admitted for short-or long-term care. Often accompanying these patients are fellow members of their sects. If a rival gang injured the patient, there is always the chance that adversary gang members will come to the hospital to finish the job. While these types of incidents are rare, they do occur.

Several years ago at a Baltimore hospital located in an urban area populated with various gangs, a gang member presented himself to the emergency room as the victim of a beating by rival gang members. The patient suffered head trauma from a baseball bat. Not long after the patient entered the ER lobby, a rival gang member entered carrying a baseball bat and began striking the patient with the bat. As security and police responded, the assailant ran from the ER.

As recently as November 2011, a 29-year-old member of the Burnside Money Getters was arrested for opening fire in a Bronx hospital ER lobby. The gang member, in an attempt to finish off a member of the Riverpark Towers Crew who was seeking treatment for injuries sustained in an earlier gang altercation, entered the ER and discharged a handgun several times. The intended target was not struck. However, a 37-year-old nurse and a 42-year-old security guard received non-life-threatening gun shot wounds.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
I can Confirm that today trache & g tube procedure on Jahi McMath was a success, she is doing very well

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
and now getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago. Family is seeking to focus attention on Jahi and no press conference.

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from CHO

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Delusional, completely utterly delusional.

just when you think it can't get any worse. . . .

 

[dakcp2001]

just when you think it can't get any worse. . . .

I'm sure it is getting worse as we speak. I am wondering how they are going to handle the odor. The family has been surprisingly quiet today I am hoping this means they are getting a big dose of reality. I just want this to end for the sake of this poor girl. This will be her legacy. Scaring the beejeebers out of anyone who needs a " routine tonsillectomy" even though we know this not what we had here.

 

[skylizard]

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
I can Confirm that today trache & g tube procedure on Jahi McMath was a success, she is doing very well

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
and now getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago. Family is seeking to focus attention on Jahi and no press conference.

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from CHO

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Delusional, completely utterly delusional.

Just when we thought things we're almost over...


What in the world is this lawyer and family up to?

 

[bcla]

I'm sure it is getting worse as we speak. I am wondering how they are going to handle the odor. The family has been surprisingly quiet today I am hoping this means they are getting a big dose of reality. I just want this to end for the sake of this poor girl. This will be her legacy. Scaring the beejeebers out of anyone who needs a " routine tonsillectomy" even though we know this not what we had here.

Having the malodorous body handing around in a PICU must have been pretty nasty for all the other patients. I mentioned visiting an ICU where my dad was receiving treatment, and if there was a brain dead body there I think most people wouldn't have been able to take the smell.

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

How will the current medical care be paid for? Out of pocket? Because I can't imagine that insurance or medi-cal can continue to pay once she's been declared dead, and has left CHO.

 

[LisaR]

Just when we thought things we're almost over...


What in the world is this lawyer and family up to?

Lawyer and family?? How about what in the world is some "medical professional" up to? The family can be as nuts as they want to be, but who would have thought they would actually find someone with medical experience who would support their ridiculous requests? The idea that there is a medical facility that is on board with this is unreal.

 

[bcla]

How will the current medical care be paid for? Out of pocket? Because I can't imagine that insurance or medi-cal can continue to pay once she's been declared dead, and has left CHO.

I'm pretty sure that CHO covered whatever happened in the hospital before the transfer of the body - if care weren't already insured.

They solicited donations online for the care after they had custody of the body.

 

[bcla]

Lawyer and family?? How about what in the world is some "medical professional" up to? The family can be as nuts as they want to be, but who would have thought they would actually find someone with medical experience who would support their ridiculous requests? The idea that there is a medical facility that is on board with this is unreal.

Possible Paul Byrne from the University of Toledo? He's somewhat infamous about not accepting "brain death" as an accurate diagnosis. He's also been known for claiming that "brain death" is a diagnosis popular with the organ transplant "industry".

Here's one the books he helped write:

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Brain-Death-Criteria-Philosophy/dp/1402003668

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

Is it possible that she hasn't been taken to a medical facility at all, but is being "treated" in a private home? I truly can't imagine a medical facility being willing to treat a dead body.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Possible Paul Byrne from the University of Toledo? He's somewhat infamous about not accepting "brain death" as an accurate diagnosis. He's also been known for claiming that "brain death" is a diagnosis popular with the organ transplant "industry". Here's one the books he helped write: http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Brain-Death-Criteria-Philosophy/dp/1402003668

Wow. Written in 2001with two other people (wonder if they're still in denial too?), $94 (free shipping tho!! ), and two reviews, the second one (Nov '06) being somewhat...humorous maybe?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Is it possible that she hasn't been taken to a medical facility at all, but is being "treated" in a private home? I truly can't imagine a medical facility being willing to treat a dead body.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[LisaR]

Thinking about this a little more, it really could be a win - win for this "doctor" assuming he has covered his bases with regards to a lawsuit. If she were to come to life (no, I don't think that is even remotely possible) but whoa, if she did......this doctor would be a hero. And if she were to "die" (yeah, I know she already has) but he can claim that he kept her alive as long as possible to enjoy those last few days/weeks with her family. While many people won't buy that last part, it will likely drum up some business for him when some other family can't let go.

 

[North of Mouse]

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
I can Confirm that today trache & g tube procedure on Jahi McMath was a success, she is doing very well

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
and now getting the treatment she should have gotten 28 days ago. Family is seeking to focus attention on Jahi and no press conference.

Christopher Dolan ‏@cbdlaw
Doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from CHO

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Delusional, completely utterly delusional.

The death certificate has been signed and dated and the body has been released to the coroner, so how can any certifiable medical person work on a dead body??

How many death certificates are signed and dated for one person's death? This is truly, totally a macabre situation. One thing they are surely doing is making a 'true' story for the books. Really don't see how they can be getting by with this. Seems like a very unhealthy situation for anyone with any kind of contact, or anyone in the general area.

 

[tinatark]

Here you have to eat solid stuff before you leave the hospital. My friend's DD just had a tonsillectomy on Dec 12 (coincidentally) and she had to eat toast before she could be discharged. It was hard for her, but there were reasons for it.

My 18 year old son had a Tonsil/Adnoid-ectomy on New Year's Eve. Has eaten very little since - some mashed potatoes, some broth from soup, some strained "cream of" soups. I imagine if he had been required to eat toast before coming home after the procedure it would have been very painful, even potentially dangerous.

I'm confused (probably because I am reading this from the back) but why was she in PICU after a tonsillectomy? Wouldn't she have been in recovery? Then from there put into PICU after the bleeding?
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It was so much more than the media is reporting... planned from the beginning to go into PICU afterwards. From what I've read it seems they removed most anything not "required" from her throat area - she was a very heavy girl, and had sleep apnea. I am sure her weight contributed to the apnea, but somehow the solution was to remove body parts.

I'm sure it is getting worse as we speak. I am wondering how they are going to handle the odor. The family has been surprisingly quiet today I am hoping this means they are getting a big dose of reality. I just want this to end for the sake of this poor girl. This will be her legacy. Scaring the beejeebers out of anyone who needs a " routine tonsillectomy" even though we know this not what we had here.

My son is having a rough time recovering - as most older teens/adults do... I can't tell you how many people have called during the past few days and asked "did you hear about the girl in CA?". Thank you, media, for your slanted, half - reporting!

I will say, since I have very recent (a week ago) experience with my teen (18) having a similar procedure - his surgery was at 2 pm- he had only clear liquids after midnight the night before - he was STARVING when he got finished - and ate more (mashed potatoes, etc.) the first day since he has since. He has lost almost 20 lbs since the procedure.

Also have some experience with ICU's recently, amy mother in law and stepfather both died within the last 9 months after a week or so in ICU. With my MIL, she was in a teaching hospital, and we feel like they exhausted every effort before we decided to remove the life support. With my step father, in a traditional hospital, it seemed like the doctors continuously did
things that contradicted the other doctor's actions/treatment plans. He came off of a vent, out of ICU, into a stepdown room then was sent to hospice, where he died 5 days later. His personal physician came to his memorial service, had seen him in ICU, and was still in shock that he passed away. He is reviewing his hospital records to try to figure how he died.

Maybe the family's experience was with the second type of ICU - I could definitely see why they didn't want to believe she was gone if that's where she was. I was on the phone with my mother less than an hour before her husband died, asking if she could get her husband moved into a rehab facility so he could get better.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Sorry if this is a dumb question…

Regarding the brain dead woman in TX being kept "alive" for the sake of her fetus, how are they able to keep her body "digesting" nutrients? I assume they have interred a G tube for feeding for the sake of the fetus. Would who ever it is that is "treating" Jahi be able to do the same thing? I keep reading how providing nutrients to a dead body is going to get nasty, but how are they doing it in TX? Is it that the decomposing process had already begun with Jahi?

Ugh. So terrible to even think about.

 

[Tinijocaro]

The family's lawyer is saying that she is now improving. I saw this on Cnn on Twitter.

 

[carissa1970]

My 18 year old son had a Tonsil/Adnoid-ectomy on New Year's Eve. Has eaten very little since - some mashed potatoes, some broth from soup, some strained "cream of" soups. I imagine if he had been required to eat toast before coming home after the procedure it would have been very painful, even potentially dangerous. It was so much more than the media is reporting... planned from the beginning to go into PICU afterwards. From what I've read it seems they removed most anything not "required" from her throat area - she was a very heavy girl, and had sleep apnea. I am sure her weight contributed to the apnea, but somehow the solution was to remove body parts. My son is having a rough time recovering - as most older teens/adults do... I can't tell you how many people have called during the past few days and asked "did you hear about the girl in CA?". Thank you, media, for your slanted, half - reporting! I will say, since I have very recent (a week ago) experience with my teen (18) having a similar procedure - his surgery was at 2 pm- he had only clear liquids after midnight the night before - he was STARVING when he got finished - and ate more (mashed potatoes, etc.) the first day since he has since. He has lost almost 20 lbs since the procedure. Also have some experience with ICU's recently, amy mother in law and stepfather both died within the last 9 months after a week or so in ICU. With my MIL, she was in a teaching hospital, and we feel like they exhausted every effort before we decided to remove the life support. With my step father, in a traditional hospital, it seemed like the doctors continuously did things that contradicted the other doctor's actions/treatment plans. He came off of a vent, out of ICU, into a stepdown room then was sent to hospice, where he died 5 days later. His personal physician came to his memorial service, had seen him in ICU, and was still in shock that he passed away. He is reviewing his hospital records to try to figure how he died. Maybe the family's experience was with the second type of ICU - I could definitely see why they didn't want to believe she was gone if that's where she was. I was on the phone with my mother less than an hour before her husband died, asking if she could get her husband moved into a rehab facility so he could get better.

My husband had this same surgery a couple of years ago, and there is no way he could have eaten a piece of toast for a month! I remember giving him a yogurt after a couple of days and he said it was too chunky. It wasn't. That was a horrible recovery and I can totally see where there was possibility for severe bleeding if the healing area was disrupted in any way.

 

[bcla]

Wow. Written in 2001with two other people (wonder if they're still in denial too?), $94 (free shipping tho!! ), and two reviews, the second one (Nov '06) being somewhat...humorous maybe?

Dr. Byrne was asked by the family to come take a look. Not surprisingly, he claimed that he saw a response to stimuli. For the most part the medical profession thinks he's got an agenda.

If you check those making claims about "brain death" being a poor diagnosis, Dr. Byrne is almost always referenced. While he may have medical credentials, he sort of reminded me of this supposed Ph.D (apparently mail order) who went on various talk shows claiming that nutritional information was all wrong. The strangest thing I remember hearing from this particular quack was that drinking milk saps calcium from the bones to counter its acidity (or something similarly stupid).