Would you cross a picket line?

I detest unions??? Whether you accept this fact or not everything in your life at one time or another has been touched by a union worker. Order something on EBAY. Buy some gas. It hasn't even been a hundred years since we had kids working in factories. Who stood up? Unions. Do you like a 40 hr work week paid vacation and days off. Do you like to be treated fairly at your place of employment and not being sent home for the way you look. Unions gave workers a voice in the work place without fear of retaliation.

We detest teachers, nurses, postal workers, UPS, electricians, plumbers, people building planes and ships and submarines for our kids to fight our wars with. What is with the hatred of unions? They have their issues just like any other organization but they do try to keep equality in the work place. Police officers and Firemen are union too.

Truth be told large corporations like unions for 2 reasons. Fixed costs for the duration of the contract and unions can mobilize politicians when legislation needs to go a certain way. Large corporations use its union members to call and write legislatures to pressure them into voting certain ways. Unions have very good organizing lists and very good ways to mobilize and get information out quickly. My company and its union members have partnered in many legislative issues. There are also work rules which create order and also gives management ways to begin termination.
 
This thread has lost its way. The bottom line is AT&T has made an enormous amount of money. 14,000,000 dollars was what was left in their bank account after they paid all of there bills. Once all the "greedy union workers" were paid, CEO's and CFO's were paid there "ridiculous bonuses" and AT&T acquired Bell South and Cingular wireless and many other European Telecom companies there was still 14 million left in their account.

Nobody is claiming poverty and no one is asking for bailout money and no one is looking to put AT&T in the poor house. Bernie Madoff didn't run off with millions of dollars.

The fact is AT&T is hand has been a very profitable company. Double digit revenue increases for 18 straight quarters, raised dividend on stock price and CEO's taking huge bonuses.

What is amazing is that the amount of revenue earned or saved can be directly associated with the 12,000 workers they just laid off not 1 year ago. In such a bad economy AT&T has manged to do just fine.

What I also find amazing is that hard working people who work hard every day and struggle to make ends meet decide to use their income to buy AT&T products and services not realizing that the money they spend goes to the top 5% of the people in the company while the 95% gets whats left over.

So lets talk about whats left over. I receive 31 dollars an hour. I am entitled to over time over 8 hours and double time over 11 hours cumulative for the week. I get 10 sick days and 10 paid holidays and I get 4 personal days. I receive a pension and a 401k with a company match (80 percent of the first 6 percent) paid in stock which averages a 5% dividend. I get 3 weeks paid vacation and if I last long enough will be able to earn 5 weeks. I get a pair of boots a year and a clothing allowance through company apparel. I get on the job training and I work on telephones and the new AT&T U-verse service. I also pay nothing towards my premium of health care. I pay 20 dollars for office visits and 75 dollars for ER visits. I get 1 free dental exam a year and one free eye exam as well as money towards glasses if needed.

Sounds pretty good and it sounds like when we talk about a strike for health care we sound greedy. It isn't about what we have or don't have. All of the things I have mentioned have been afforded to me by the people who came before me. We must now carry on for those who are to carry on after us.

Is it not fair that when SNET (Southern New ENGLAND TELEPHONE COMPANY) NOW AT&T , back in the eighties fell on hard times they asked us to for go raises and pay increases. They laid off workers and made those who stayed take unpaid days off and work shorter weeks, because they did and the union conceded because it was for the good of the company. Now that our company is profitable shouldn't the worker share in that success?

Again it isn't about what we have but is about the gap between the very lowest of workers and the CEO's whom are out of touch with the struggles of the middle class.

No one is asking for more but only to keep what we have. CEO's who make 23 million dollars like Randall Stephenson doesn't know what it would be like to pay 15,000 dollars a year towards health care. Many of you out there reading this knows what it is like and it is a struggle. The issue is again AT&T is very very very profitable and if it weren't for the 125,000 workers it couldn't possibly be as successful as it is. Companies need worker bees too and we also need CEO's to make smart decisions to keep the worker bees busy but laying off 12,000 workers to keep enormous bonuses putting people on unemployment making them the taxpayers burden is unfair.

Whether I have to pay for medical benefits or not shouldn't bother people. I know it does because what MAKES ME BETTER THAN YOU...RIGHT? NOTHING!! just that I work for a very profitable company and they should be responsible enough to take care of the workers who are taking care of them. When a company like AT&T pulls its benefits from its workers which company is next?

Lastly I have the potential to work 365 days a year. I have worked on Christmas day. I work in the snow, wind, rain heat. I work in crawl spaces in attics and on telephone poles 30 feet in the air sometimes on very tiny hooks and not on a ladder or in an aerial lift vehicle all while trying not to get killed or kill someone. I work around high power tension lines everyday. My office is 30 feet in the air with no windows and no door. I set up traffic safety around my truck trying not to get run over. I encounter poisonous plants, mice, rats, snakes, bats, dogs and ticks and spiders. I enter manholes filled with water and pollutants and am around lead and asbestos. I dig trenches through neighborhoods where the wires are underground and make those repairs where the only thing between my feet and high voltage is a rubber blanket and a puddle of water. My job is rated by OSHA as one of the top five hazardous jobs right behind forestry and commercial fishing. So when you talk about being greedy , you should really think about what a worker in the telephone company encounters daily. Not everyone's house is as clean as your own. I also have to posses a knowledge on how to actually install and fix things under all of those conditions as well.


The Husband of BirdieSunshine.

A hardworking union member who feels that when a company is as profitable as AT&T at some point should reward the worker to share in that success.


Managers who cross picket lines are not scabs and don't deserve the BS they go through for no more additional pay.

Plenty of 1st level managers are trying to organize into unions of their own because of the way they have been treated by AT&T and there is a court case pending right now which is to determine if they are exempt or not. If they are exempt AT&T will have even more union workers on their hands in the form of 1st level managers.


If At&t didn't make sound business decisions, you wouldn't have a job at all.
Just because At&t turns a profit doesn't mean union workers are entitled to more. That money is what keeps the company moving ahead. You are not forced to work the job you are in. No one put a gun to your head. You made choices in life. If you are unhappy with work conditions etc. leave. Free will and all.
 
Why the long AT&T rant? The question posed in the OP specifically was would you cross a picket line? A hypothetical question not necessarily related to a single situation.

Frankly, after reading your post it makes me less sympathetic. You all have it pretty good and after reading what some of the non union AT&T people have posted here about their health benefits it all sounds ridiculous. I'm hoping that is not the full story.


Sadly, as I posted earlier in this thread, that is the full story regarding health insurance for non union At&t workers. One of my hubby's coworkers wives had a baby this past fall, it was very early and was very sick. Since it was close to the end of the year thay had to pay the deductable 8,000 plus another 8,000 plus yearly premiums and stuff not covered. Very sad.
 
This thread has lost its way. The bottom line is AT&T has made an enormous amount of money.
The benefits of which should go to its owners.

... the money they spend goes to the top 5% of the people in the company while the 95% gets whats left over.
Yes, 100% of the people in the company get paid.

A hardworking union member who feels that when a company is as profitable as AT&T at some point should reward the worker to share in that success.
And the way to make that happen is to use a certain amount of your cash compensation to purchase stock.
 

You going to have to pay for healthcare whether you like it or not.

The union already knows this. They are using this "strike" to go in and FIRE YOUR OWN.

Surely you "get that", don't you?:confused3
 
Lastly I have the potential to work 365 days a year. I have worked on Christmas day. I work in the snow, wind, rain heat. I work in crawl spaces in attics and on telephone poles 30 feet in the air sometimes on very tiny hooks and not on a ladder or in an aerial lift vehicle all while trying not to get killed or kill someone. I work around high power tension lines everyday. My office is 30 feet in the air with no windows and no door. I set up traffic safety around my truck trying not to get run over. I encounter poisonous plants, mice, rats, snakes, bats, dogs and ticks and spiders. I enter manholes filled with water and pollutants and am around lead and asbestos. I dig trenches through neighborhoods where the wires are underground and make those repairs where the only thing between my feet and high voltage is a rubber blanket and a puddle of water. My job is rated by OSHA as one of the top five hazardous jobs right behind forestry and commercial fishing. So when you talk about being greedy , you should really think about what a worker in the telephone company encounters daily. Not everyone's house is as clean as your own. I also have to posses a knowledge on how to actually install and fix things under all of those conditions as well.

See now my husband does all this too. No union though. We paid a share of health insurance. He was on call 24/7/365 for over 2 years. Your bennies are much better than what was offered to my husband. He was with his company for over 20. He's still within the industry, just with a different company. Several times over his years the talk of unionizing came up. It was always nixed.
I know how it is. Lived that life as a spouse for over 25 years now. But I don't see why it needs to be unionized.

Sometimes things get outdated. They made their mark on the world but have now outlived their usefulness. They paved the way for the laws and regulations we have now in the workplace so why the continued need?
 
Nobody is looking for more? We, the union employees are looking for the same. The same things that have been afforded to us for the last 50 years. We share in the good times and the bad times. Why do people feel that companies can just strip away benefits just because other people don't have what we have. I don't get free health care so why should you makes no sense to me. Again the company paid all of its bills and at the end of the year had 14 million dollars left over. I don't begrudge a CEO for making 23 million dollars. Let him make as much as he wants it is his company and the point of being in business is to make a profit but when it comes at the expense of 12,000 people being laid off and having to have 1st level managers pay for their medical insurance something is wrong. In 2004 we had a four day strike and managers did all the work. We were able to secure health care because of it. Once we came back soon after managers have had to pay for medical. Rest assure that what ever we get or don't get they will take even more from the 1st level managers and that isn't right. This company made tons of money and all the union is asking for is what has had during the last contract.


We made concessions in bad times so why shouldn't we receive compensation in good times.
 
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We made concessions in bad times so why shouldn't we receive compensation in good times.

:lmao:Are you kidding me?

You may be union and we may not be however they don't care! Get a clue.

YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE JOBS OVER THIS! Is that OK with you?

Please tell me you see the "smoke and mirrors" here.:confused3
 
you can take politics and religion away but the folks on the DIS never change. :sad2: All I see on this thread is sour grapes.
 
Nobody is looking for more? We, the union employees are looking for the same. The same things that have been afforded to us for the last 50 years. We share in the good times and the bad times. Why do people feel that companies can just strip away benefits just because other people don't have what we have. I don't get free health care so why should you makes no sense to me. Again the company paid all of its bills and at the end of the year had 14 million dollars left over. I don't begrudge a CEO for making 23 million dollars. Let him make as much as he wants it is his company and the point of being in business is to make a profit but when it comes at the expense of 12,000 people being laid off and having to have 1st level managers pay for their medical insurance something is wrong. In 2004 we had a four day strike and managers did all the work. We were able to secure health care because of it. Once we came back soon after managers have had to pay for medical. Rest assure that what ever we get or don't get they will take even more from the 1st level managers and that isn't right. This company made tons of money and all the union is asking for is what has had during the last contract.


We made concessions in bad times so why shouldn't we receive compensation in good times.


And if things get bad for AT&T like they did for Chrystler and GM will the union workers join together and give up some compensation without being asked? 50 years is a long time. Party is over imo.
 
We are fearing for the union jobs. We feel the union is going to come back with a "negotitiation" that is going to include laying off employees.

People are already positioning themselves to go into management should they be laided off.

And "sour grapes". I don't understand why you say that? You think my DH is happy that they may lay off more people. Heck no!

They have continually laid off people steadily for 3 yrs.
 
We are fearing for the union jobs. We feel the union is going to come back with a "negotitiation" that is going to include laying off employees.

People are already positioning themselves to go into management should they be laided off.

And "sour grapes". I don't understand why you say that? You think my DH is happy that they may lay off more people. Heck no!

They have continually laid off people steadily for 3 yrs.

Read through "most" of these posts. It's a simple case of "If I don't have it, why should you?!" Sad!!!
 
Read through "most" of these posts. It's a simple case of "If I don't have it, why should you?!" Sad!!!

I am speaking directly to you. I don't care about the other posts. They are speaking about crossing a picket in general.

I am in St. Louis and we do not need more job loss. You are aware that the "surplus" is probably going to be laid off during this negotitation.
 
I have read every post :) , and if you take out the sub conversation about ATT, most posters explained why the would or would not cross a picket line. The reasons were varied.
 
birdiesunshine I understand exactly what you are saying. However those that are non union are not going to agree with your point at all no matter how it's made.

Honestly I don't understand the it's the companies money, it's okay if they profit even if they don't want to treat their employee's fairly and anyone should be happy with whatever pittance they receive.
 
Unions vary almost as much as opinions. I have seen some go way overboard to the point they actually put companies out of business and others who stay within reason to ensure the employees are treated fairly. When it comes to strikes and picket lines, the issues also vary.

Right now we are seeing a lot of companies where the average employees, whether union or non-union, are getting the short end of the stick while the top executives are stuffing their pockets. When we consider profits, we must also understand that stockholders dividends are paid out of those profits and stockholders are usually critical to a company's existence and the economy in general. The problems usually arise when the distribution of wealth becomes too disproportionate. That's when the middle-class becomes an endangered species.
 
I would definitely cross a picket line, but then, I'm not in a union and no one in my family has ever been in one either. I have no loyalty to the concept of a union and I personally think that unions have served their purpose but are becoming obselete. I also think that unions have placed a significant drag on cost control and profits for most American manufacturing companies, which is why they've moved overseas. Not looking to start a fight, that's just my opinion.

I've represented companies in negotiations with their unions, and I've actually represented a union national in other work. The people at that union's national HQ are really nice and I've enjoyed working with them. Still, I don't know that what they do is really essential anymore. But again, that comes from the perspective of someone who has never benefited personally from the positives of a union.
 
Are there really people out there who are unaware that medical insurance premiums have skyrocketed and just about every employee in America has had to kick in more of their money to stay insured? I guess so.

Nothing is happening to AT&T employee benefits that hasn't happened to me and everyone else I know. A company will not stay profitable if they let their expenses rise out of control. Everyone agrees it stinks, but until we change the way we handle health insurance and medical care in the country, we are stuck with it.
 












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