Would want to be warned BEFORE this book is read to your 2nd grade child?

[JennyMominRI]

Hispanic Catholics, especially recent immigrants, tend to be more conservative. I'm a Catholic who doesn't have a problem with gays, but the Church teaches that homosexual sex (actually pre-marital sex) is not ok and the Pope has spoken against gay marriage-- it isn't recognized by the Church. To pretend that the Catholic Church or all Catholics support homosexuality is disingenuous. What is Orthodox Judaism's position on gays and gay marriage?

Orthodoxy as a group is against gay marriage for Jews.. Orthodoxy makes up about 8% of the Jews in the US

 

[momof2inPA]

The Catholic religion does NOT teach that homosexuality is a sin - quite the contrary. There are even groups for gay Catholics within the church - and not designed to try to get them to hop the fence. Just like there are groups for single people, young people, etc.

There may be groups that find gay people offensive, but not the Catholic Church.

I say this so much I'm going to ask for a sticky.

No? Read this link- and discuss.

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/homosexuality.htm

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Hispanic Catholics, especially recent immigrants, tend to be more conservative. I'm a Catholic who doesn't have a problem with gays, but the Church teaches that homosexual sex (actually pre-marital sex) is not ok and the Pope has spoken against gay marriage-- it isn't recognized by the Church. To pretend that the Catholic Church or all Catholics support homosexuality is disingenuous. What is Orthodox Judaism's position on gays and gay marriage?

The Church teaches that pre-marital sex is a sin for EVERYONE. Not my favorite rule (well, it wasn't), but it's their church, they make the rules.

The sacrament of marriage is for men & women. Again, their rules.

But they in NO WAY teach or preach that there is anything sinful or offensive about gay people. They DO support gay people.

I'm not saying ALL Catholics are comfortable with the idea of homosexuality. But the Church itself is, and all the people I know are.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

No? Read this link- and discuss.

http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/homosexuality.htm

I don't have to go to an atheism link on About.com to learn what my church teaches, for crying out loud. If you don't believe me, ask a priest. The sin is the sex, and it is the same for gay people as straight people.

 

[momof2inPA]

I don't have to go to an atheism link on About.com to learn what my church teaches, for crying out loud. If you don't believe me, ask a priest. The sin is the sex, and it is the same for gay people as straight people.

You didn't like what you read, did you? Homosexual marriage defined by the Church as an ideology of evil.

I like to understand the Church's short comings. I struggle with my Church's short comings. Actually, my buddy in college that always attended Catholic mass and usually dragged me along was a gay guy. He eventually broke with the Church, but it was a very difficult decision.

 

[AMcaptured]

I find it interesting that people who believe that women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies also believe that once a woman chooses to have a child that it means they automatically should give up how that child is educated......

BTW, this isn't the first time this school has had a problem with its homosexual agenda. They had a father arrested because of this matter last year when homosexuality was being discussed in his son's kindergarten class.

Here is the link..http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/parker/main.htm

 

[MouseWorshipin]

You didn't like what you read, did you? Homosexual marriage defined by the Church as an ideology of evil.

I like to understand the Church's short comings. I struggle with my Church's short comings. Actually, my buddy in college that always attended Catholic mass and usually dragged me along was a gay guy. He eventually broke with the Church, but it was a very difficult decision.

I didn't read it. An atheism link on About.com isn't the catechism, for Pete's sake.

It would be like me going to your link on my family and what the rules are in my house.

 

[momof2inPA]

Here are some quotes from Pope Benedict XVI when he was Cardinal (from non-objectionable sources, I hope):

"Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered to an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder... "

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs."

Letter to the Bishops, 1986, quoted in National Catholic Reporter


ON GAY MARRIAGE
"Above all, we must have great respect for these people who also suffer and who want to find their own way of correct living. On the other hand, to create a legal form of a kind of homosexual marriage, in reality, does not help these people. "

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Here are some quotes from Pope Benedict XVI when he was Cardinal (from non-objectionable sources, I hope):

"Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered to an intrinsic moral evil, and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder... "

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs."

Letter to the Bishops, 1986, quoted in National Catholic Reporter


ON GAY MARRIAGE
"Above all, we must have great respect for these people who also suffer and who want to find their own way of correct living. On the other hand, to create a legal form of a kind of homosexual marriage, in reality, does not help these people. "

Your first quote is chopped up. The "evil" he's talking about is the sex, not the gayness.

I don't know what you did with the others (or if you got them somewhere that did it for you.) The second quote, even if chopped up, supports what I've been saying all along.

The Church's sacrament of marriage is for men & women, with the purpose of children. The church doesn't believe in gay marriage - no surprise there. And that's fine. It's their church, they make the rules.

And, again, the Catholic church does not find homosexuality offensive in and of itself. It's pre-marital sex they don't like.

But now I'm a hijacker (as well as repeating myself)...and I'm worried DVCLiz is going to show up and beat me. So, I return y'all to your thread.

 

[JennyMominRI]

BTW, this isn't the first time this school has had a problem with its homosexual agenda. They had a father arrested because of this matter last year when homosexuality was being discussed in his son's kindergarten class.

Here is the link..http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/parker/main.htm

I read your links..The school read a similar book about different kids of families,families from different cultures,single parent families, families headed by 2 people of the same sex. I don't see how it an *agenda* or promoting homosexuality..Simply stating that there are same sex families is not *teaching homosexuality* Furthermore,I believe that to many people having sex(and therefore children) outside of marriage is considered wrong as is in many cases divorce.. Where is all the righteous anger at the *Single parent* lifestyle being taught when books about one parent homes are read? Is that *promoting* sex outside of marriage or the sin of divorce?

 

[momof2inPA]

Your first quote is chopped up. The "evil" he's talking about is the sex, not the gayness.

I don't know what you did with the others (or if you got them somewhere that did it for you.) The second quote, even if chopped up, supports what I've been saying all along.

The Church's sacrament of marriage is for men & women, with the purpose of children. The church doesn't believe in gay marriage - no surprise there. And that's fine. It's their church, they make the rules.

And, again, the Catholic church does not find homosexuality offensive in and of itself. It's pre-marital sex they don't like.

But now I'm a hijacker (as well as repeating myself)...and I'm worried DVCLiz is going to show up and beat me. So, I return y'all to your thread.

The "evil" is the sex, but the gayness is called a disorder that encourges homosexuals to partake of that evil. The Church may not condemn the disorder as a sin, but they also do not "condone the disorder." You can read the entire 1986 Letter to the Bishops. I did. To represent the Catholic Church as accepting of gays is only partly true. They accept them and encourage them to suffer their disorder to the cross, meaning they want them to turn away from homosexuality.

I, personally, think the Church is wrong, but it's important to understand its position.

 

[KathyTX]

I think this thread has run its course.

Let's all remember that it's okay to have differing opinions, but that we need to express them respectully.