Wk of Nov 13--2006 Disney Half-Full Marathon Info/Training

[sara]

Heather, I feel so bad for you, not!!!! Lucky!!! Good to hear your hip is feeling better.

Mel, have to agree with others...want steak, eat steak! (thanks a lot, now I want steak. ) For me, increasing my protein mid week seems to help with the long runs.

Everyone is doing great. Sweepers won't get us. My knee is feeling a lot better, thanks to PT. I've been getting "shocked", no idea what the real term is, three times a week, for two weeks now. It worked!!! Now, I wish I was going Goofy, again. Oh well....

Happy training!!!!!

Sara

 

[plutosmyfav]

MelR-- Congrats on an awsome finish! What cool prizes! Toot that horn loud

Chimera-- If your body is craving protein, eat protein! Buttered toast won't do if you need protein. I agree with what other's said about getting a recovery food in shortly after your run. From the McMillian site I discovered that SlimFast is a great recovery drink (and one that my stomach can tolerate post-run). Its got a great ratio of carbs/proteins and is only 180 calories. The honey might have caused a sugar crash, too.

Terri-- I hope you are feeling better now

Lynne-- I've been worried about thick blood for the race, too. I will purposely do some (fairly) long runs on the TM. I don't think I could do more than 10 miles on a tm

TiffJ-- Awsome pace You're crusing

Colleen-- definitely call back and try from scratch. Its amazing how much the CMs vary in demeanor and knowledge.

Solo-- I need to get psyched for snow running too, I find my Coolmax fetish has transferred to a micro-fleece fetish

Heather-- I'm so glad to hear your hip is better. I had shooting pains in mine all day yesterday after mt LR

Sunny

 

[gatorphipps]

Hey all. Great LRs everyone!

Melissa - Congrats! 3rd is so AWESOME!

I have also read that chocolate milk is the perfect recovery drink. I drink one after all my LRs and I can tell a BIG diff!

Someone was also asking about stretching. You need to warm up b/4 you stretch or you could get hurt. This is from my sis in law who is a trainer @ the YMCA.

Did an easy 9 mile LR this weekend at a very easy pace. Will be doing doubles this weekend (8 and 16). I am working at the Charlotte Southern Christmas Show this week! Very fun but very hard on the old legs.....The show has lots of booths with an assortment of crafts, foods, Christmas stuff, ect...

Well later, must get kids in bed.
Christa

 

[wtpclc]

Wow! Looks like people are doing great. I did 8 for my LR. My pace still stinks but my hip was pretty good. I got a couple twinges, but that's really all it was. I felt it a little last night and this morning. I'm thinking my body just does not like MOnday runs.

solo - You ran yesterday??????? Yikes! Saturday morning was only supposed to be breezy for us. It was not good on our way back down by the river. I was finally getting my groove back and wham! Cannot fathom running yesterday!


Joining in the packet dance. We're getting so many holiday catalogs that I'm afraid it will get last in the stack!

 

[aladdinsgirl]

Happy Monday!!! Glad that everyone had great lr's this weekend. It seems like the injuries are starting to heal themselves--now just to fight off the sickness and the coldness, we'll be good to go! We're supposed to get snow showers this week in Ohio glad I bought a cutie Helly Hansen moisture wicking/water repellent jacket and hat at the Puffins Roost in Norway in Epcot. Now when I run in the cold, I can think of Epcot and Norway and kringlas--I plan on having at least 5 of them in January!

MelR-- on your 3rd place finish!!! That is awesome!!! Is that your last adventure race of the season, or do you have more? What exactly is an adventure race? Trail running and biking? Is there more? You are my hero!!

Mel--Good luck trying to figure out your eating issues. I found that I crave steak for dinner the days of the lr's, I guess I need more protein. The funny thing is, I rarely eat red meat and especially steak, so for me to crave it, is so weird!! Can you believe the Bucs win yesterday? When I saw the highlights, I thought of you. Did you see my boy break Stallworth's record? Now, he is a big ! I know you can relate to this, Stephen is trying to figure out a game plan for the playoffs and marathon weekend.

Sunny--thanks for the Slimfast tip, I'm going to try that next weekend. I don't think I have very good eating habits after I run, most of the time I forget to eat or drink when I get home and when I do eat, it's usually a bagel and a Diet Coke. Not smart, huh?

Colleen--Sorry about the mean CM. We've called for late check-outs in the past, and we've always been told to call the day before you need the late check out. I guess it depends on how busy the mousekeepers are that morning. I think we're going to add it to our requests now too, but don't get stressed out about it.

Heather--I'm glad that your hip is feeling better! When you are in Orlando for your conference, can you take some time to hit the parks? In the words of Napoleon Dynamite: "lucky"!

for the race packets!!!!

My 4 miles on Saturday was okay, not the greatest, but okay. I learned that I can't eat cereal before I run, guess I'll stick to the bagels, bananas, and granola bars. My total time was 47:40--1st mile was 11:21, 2nd mile 12:33 (that's when the cereal and milk hit my stomach ), 3rd mile was 12:15 and fourth was 11:30. All in all okay. Do you guys feel that you do a little worse on your taper back weeks? I think I prepare mentally more for a distance I've never done before, so by the time Saturday comes, I'm raring to go. But on taper back weeks, I think, "oh, I've already done this before" and I don't take it quite as seriously. I don't have a taper back week until Dec. 10, so maybe I'll have good lr's between now and then.

I did have an inspiring moment walking back to the house after my run, I didn't time my milage right and I ended up being about a half mile from home. While I was walking, I started looking back through my runs on my Garmin. All I can say is wow. The progress I've made was surprising and it made me feel great. The kicker was on August 23 I did 4 miles and my time was 57:something. So between Aug. 23 and Nov. 12--2 1/2 months, I shaved 10 minutes off my time! I was so psyched by that, when I got home, I took Hines on a 3 mile walk.

I better get off here, I have all the work that I ignored on Friday, plus today's stuff. on training!!

Krista

 

[msblrobs]

Yeah to everyone on their LR's and LW's this past weekend!!

Can I please join in on the packet dance also? The anticiaption is killing me.

Congrats MelR on your awesome 3rd place finish.

I ran 9 miles on Saturday and 19 miles on Sunday. 4 recovery miles this a.m.
The legs actually feel fine and I am convinced it's due to ice baths that I religiously take after my LR's. Sad when you look so forward to soaking in a tub of ice.

 

[mahoney]

xterratri - DH and I are planning a trip to Disney Dec 8-11 to celebrate my birthday and to do our last LR of 20miles. I read about your concerns with where to run for that long. We're having the same concerns - staying at SSR and thinking 20 miles around there and DTD is how many laps?? Anyway, does anyone know of a long-distance route we could try? Can you run at the Wide World of Sports?

 

[keenercam]

I have been working on this post forever -- darn work keeps interfering!

I WANT MY PACKET! At least I know something good will come in the mail today or tomorrow -- I had ordered the periwinkle long sleeved tech RUN DISNEY tee off of the disney website and it was back ordered for 6 weeks or so. Got a notification that it mailed last Thursday! Can't wait to get it. Hopefully, today!

Mel – I hope your migraine never fully materialized and is completely gone now. I’m glad the honey worked for you. I am going to ask my friendly neighborhood coffee shop if they’ll sell me some to try. DH will get a kick out of this, literally! He always teases me about how much honey we have in the house. I went through a phase where I put so much of it in my tea and bought more any time I saw it. Now we have quite a stash of it, though none of it is portable.

BTW, I have been going through that "ravenous" bit, too, and I may have found the answer -- on Saturday I ate lots of protein (eggs & sausage) and carbs (over english muffins) right after my run, with 20 oz water -- it immediately curbed my appetite. That was a relief! I thought I was going to go through the rest of the training gaining 2 pounds every weekend!

Helen – I also immediately thought – "okay, no crying in training!" when my head was pounding with every step I took. Of course, I was going less than ½ the distance you were!

Colleen – any luck on your resort ressie issue? Some CMs are so unhelpful and others are amazing.

Tiff – any possibility your shoe was tied too tightly? That is what my foot feels like if my shoe isn’t tied exactly right.

Lisa – congrats on your training going so well and on the reappearance of your quad! YEAH!!!

Solotraveler– snow?!?!?!?! YUCK!!! I am just praying we don’t see any of that until after 1/9/06. A girl can dream, right?

Terri – awesome pace! Congrats! So glad you are feeling better.

Heather – do you need an assistant for your trip? I type really, really fast. And I write copious notes at lectures. My law school professors used to borrow my class notes to see how well they covered certain concepts. I’d be glad to accompany you and take notes for you at your conference!

I am actually less intimidated today by training in the cold, since I bought a great running jacket on Saturday! I got it at Eastern Mountain Sports. Great price too with a $20 off coupon I had. It was on clearance from $160 down to $79 then $20 off. YEAH!!!! Can't wait to try it out on a cold day. It has a great upper arm pocket for my shuffle and velcro on the sleeve and all sorts of toggle adjustments on the inside. It's a little snug, but DH says it will only get looser and it would be silly to buy it larger. He's so sweet!

So glad to hear everyone had such great LRs and LWs this weekend. I am so impressed with everyone's distances and pace. Wishing everyone sunny skies and wonderful, serene training sessions!

ETA: Just realized part of my post didn't post. All I remember is missing at this point is my CONGRATULATIONS, MelR on your fabulous finish in the adventure race! That is so awesome, and I am glad the prizes are so great!

 

[plutosmyfav]

Colleen-- congrats on the 5 bls loss. I wish I could say the same

Sara-- how do you soak in ice after a LR in cold temps? I am so bitter cold when I get home its all I can do to put an ice pack on my one knee I've been doing really long, really hot showers even though I know I'm supposed to get the legs cold. In fact this Saturday I cranked the heat up to 75 and was wearing a winter coat in the house. The family started ripping off their clothes and begging me to stop melting them

Joining the packet dance!

Do you guys realize we only have FIVE more LRS???? I think we should celebrate each and everyone!

OK, panic!

It has just occurred to me that taper means TAPER! I guess I've been thinking taper means spend 2 hours at the gym doing other exercises instead of running. How will I control my appetite????? Unlike normal people, my appetite has absolutely nothing to do with my body's nutritional needs. Its just HUGE no matter what. I don't want to gain 10 lbs right before race day. Now I'm scared

 

[msblrobs]

Sara-- how do you soak in ice after a LR in cold temps? I am so bitter cold when I get home its all I can do to put an ice pack on my one knee I've been doing really long, really hot showers even though I know I'm supposed to get the legs cold. In fact this Saturday I cranked the heat up to 75 and was wearing a winter coat in the house. The family started ripping off their clothes and begging me to stop melting them :

LOL!! I never run outside. I am strictly a treadmill runner. My physical therapist tells me I should occasionally run outside to acclimate my body to differing surfaces, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Even on the treadmill, I am still freezing after any of my long runs so I can totally relate. If I don't jump right off the treadmill and into the tub, it is a lot more torturous after my body cools off a bit.
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[wtpclc]

Sunny - I put about an inch of luke warm water in the tub. Then I turn the tap to cold. It helps to roll up the bottom of a sweatshirt and put that on. You do kind of get used to it, though. (Especially when your legs feel better). Oh, no ice, though, just cold water.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My hip is feeling dramatically better. I am still resting it, but the pain is almost gone.

That's wonderful!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm jealous of everyone's long run news!

Hope the munchies went away, Mel!

My weight seems to be going up a smidge...so I went to PT today and asked (was willing to beg) to run! He let me run for 3 whole minutes...WAHOO!!!

Now--I know what you are thinking...wow she heals fast--look at her go. And you would be......WRONG!!!

I think there's some walkers on her who could show me up easy! I was "jogging" at a leisurely 3.6 mph--no idea what that is per minute...I do know it is more than a 15:00 mile. And it was about as much as I can handle. But I do tell you--my butt and legs were so glad to feel the jiggle of a jog again. .

I'm planning on hitting the road on Saturday for that 7 mile LR...though it could be an LW...or an LHH ("hitchhike").

Anywho---looking good!

 

[MelRhoads]

You icers must be rock hard will power crazy people. I'm freezing right now and I haven't done anything. I'm pretty sure just the thought of a cold bath makes me colder!!!! Is it legal to take a hot bath after the cold thing or does that just negate to whole deal??? I can't imagine what it would take to get me to try it!!!!!!!

Sunny - I liked the blues bros joining in on the packet dance. that has got to help.

Krista - I have the taper trouble.

OK - I'm going to take a HOT shower!!!

 

[princessmomma]

Is it legal to take a hot bath after the cold thing or does that just negate to whole deal??!!!

No hot bath, that will allow blood to pool in your legs, knees etc. You want cold to decrease the swelling and punishment 16+ miles have put on your legs. I also wear a sweatshirt in the tub, get in and start pouring the cold water in. I also have 2 buckets of ice that I put in after I the water covers my hip flexors (my new aches). It really feels great after about 5-7 minutes, those first few minutes are pretty rough though .

Thanks Krista for your advice on the late check out! Calling the day before sounds like a plan.


Wow, Sara that is a lot of miles on a treadmill. I strictly ran treadmill when training for my first half marathon because it was so hot in NC this summer. My half was in Canada, much cooler weather, but I ended with 3 black toenails, they are just now getting to when it can't notice. It was a much harder transition than I anticipated.

Sunny, yes Taper means taper, I read that most will gain weight those last three weeks with the decrease in mileage and the body's increase of glycogen storing. Some people also get antsy while others get a little depressed. Should be an interesting three weeks!

Cam, great deal on your jacket. Hope it works for you.

Off for a little cross training today.

Colleen

 

[wtpclc]

MelR - No rock hard will power here. WHen you're desparate, you'll do anything. I have ot do my 1 " first trick, though, as teh first tim emy cheeks hit the cold water, they popped back out and owuld not stay down!

Heather - Woo hoo on your hip!!!

Lisa - I can't imagine how frustrating that might be. COngrats on being able to start again, though!!!

 

[TiffJ]

Well I have determined that my problem is the tendon. Today the pain has started radiating up the side of my leg(just like my right ankle does when the tendonitis acts up) I have it wrapped today(should have done that yesterday) & taking advil. Hoping to avoid a trip to the DR. I'm giving my foot the day off, just going to do pilates tonight. And this is my "good" ankle

I had that red meat craving this weekend. All I wanted was a giant hamburger. I settled for a not so giant one.

If that packet doesnt come soon, I'm going to scream

 

[littlegreydonkey]

Sunny - its true, you will gain a little during the taper - everyone does apparently but you absolutely have to do that taper. I'm not sure if you were around when I posted some advice from a veteran runner/Diser so I'll paraphrase it again. My concern was how you get to run 26 miles when you only run to 20 in training, and he explained that the taper was the key. AS your body gets so used to running daft distances, during taper it's like 'What's happening to me, why aren't I running so much, I need to run, come on just a little bit further'. Which you of course ignore!!!! When you then get out there on the day, it's this need to get back to 'normal' plus the adrenaline etc etc that gets you through the last few miles that technically you haven't trained for.

And if you think you've got problems - I'm tapering in Las Vegas and in Kissimee for two weeks (yeh, yeh, I know no sympathy for Helen) where I will be let loose for the first time in two whole years on Ben & Jerry's, Taco Bell, Dairy Queen and Chevys - I'm gonna roll 26 miles!!! Helen

 

[xterratri]

It's Christmas at the mailbox!!!
No, the packet didn't come but I did get a huge box from Road Runner Sports, my Clif sample pack, the tickets to Bon Jovi in Boston Dec 9th(the things I do for my running buddy), and the confirmation for our night at HHI in March. Boy, did the box from RRS confuse me- it looked like you could fit 5 shoe boxes in it and I only ordered one pair. So I opened it and there's this nice new duffle bag and inside the duffle bag with plenty of room to spare was the box with my new shoes. "Our gift to you...enjoy your FREE RRS duffle bag!" Considering how much money I spend for this sport, I'll take free stuff.

Ran 6.22 miles this afternoon, not quite totally in the daylight as I started my 60 minutes at 3:45. Nice afternoon and day today though, too bad I'm on AV duty this week and spent most of it on my butt in the classroom.

Congrats MelR on the 3rd place finish with your team!!
Go Lisa, go Lisa, go Lisa!!!
PD for the other injuries.
Sara- 19 miles on a treadmill??? I consider them objects to avoid and am lucky to be able to mentally force myself to do 4 miles so I'm really impressed.
Mel(chimera)- I was taught in grad school(my MS is in exercise science) that metabolically there is a window of optimum glycogen replenishment and protein uptake within about the first 30 minutes after endurance exercise so you should try to take in snack/light meal that contains protein during that time period.(hey, you're the endocrine specialist, what do you tell your diabetics about how to adjust their insulin/blood sugar levels in regards to the post exercise period?) It makes perverse sense that if you don't heed that you may get rebound cravings and that seems to be the experience of many on this board.

More proof of crazy people- Ironman Lake Placid sold out in 9 hours, Ironman Wisconsin in 6, and Ironman Florida sold out in 3 hours!!! I saw that when I was looking at the countdown to the FL half IM to figure out my 180 day booking window for ADRs. I think it's this Friday as the race is 187 days off on a Sunday and we check into VWL on Thurs.

Happy training
Oh, almost forgot, packet dance

 

[keenercam]

I remembered two songs recently from the animated movie "Anastasia" and thought the words were fun and inspirational for here. I strung excerpts together.

Heart don’t fail me now
courage don’t desert me
Don’t turn back now that we’re here
People always say
Life is full of choices
No one ever mentions fear
Or how the world can seem so vast
On this journey . . . to the past

. . .

One step at a time
One hope then another
Who knows where this road may go
Back to who I was, On to find my future
Things my heart still needs to know
Yes, let this be a sign!
Let this road by mine!
Let it lead me to my past
And bring me home. . . At last!



We were strangers starting out on a journey
Never dreaming what we’d have to go through
Now here we are And I’m suddenly standing
At the beginning with you

No one told me I was going to find you
Unexpected What you did to my heart
When I lost hope You were there to remind me
This is the start

Life is a road and I want to keep going
Love is a river I wanna keep flowing
Life is the road
Now and forever
Wonderful journey

I’ll be there world stops turning
I’ll be there when the storm is through
In the end I wanna be standing
At the beginning with you

We were strangers on a crazy adventure
Never dreaming how our dreams would come true
Now here we stand Unafraid of the future
At the beginning with you

I knew there was somebody somewhere
Like me alone in the dark
Now I know my dream will live on
I’ve been waiting so long
Nothing’s gonna tear us apart

Hopefully, not too sappy. but there is a lot there to think about.