Wk of Dec 2--WISH Walking/Running Club

[gatorphipps]

Ok, another question. I notice that alot of you are taking gu and eating during your long runs. My coaches have told me not to use anything on the long runs. I get powerade and thats it. (Granted, I drank 64 ounces of the stuff on my 20 mile run.) Also, I only eat a bagel with cream cheese for breakfast before my runs. Reason being that I probably won't eat much more than that before the marathon.

They did have me try different things, like gu and sport beans but only to see if my body could handle them. We tried them on short runs.

So I am confused, why are people using gu and gels etc during training?

WOW! I could not finish a marathon with only powerade! How are you at the end? I would be starving....Question? WHy do they not want you to eat during the LR?
I have always been told you really are supposed to eat the gels or something on the LRs. This really holds true if you are going to do it in the marathon. But I guess everyone is different. I normally take a gel every 6 miles...

 

[msblrobs]

Just peeking my head in - heading home from Orlando tonight after a spectacular 12 day vacation. I have been keeping up with my training, only blowing off one day, but I have a bad chest cold so it hasn't been easy. I am sure flying back to NY today and then flying for business at the end of the week will not help things any.

I am glad to see that everyone's hanging in there and seeing the light at the end of the tunnel as we are in the final stages of this journey. Once I am back to reality tomorrow, I promise to catch up with this thread since I am anxious to see how everyone is doing.

Best of luck to all with training and LR's this week. We're so close and with the holiday's fast approaching, it'll be here in the blink of an eye.

 

[Mouse Skywalker]

Good Morning TEAM:

I want to thank everyone for their thoughts, advice, and encouragement after my 20 mile stonker run on Saturday. I really appreciate it, and you've already helped me deal with it, put it behind me, and get ready for my next week of training. Yesterday was a rest/recovery day for me. I did a 30 min soak in a cold bath, iced my legs a couple of times, and took a nap. My calfs are still a little tight and sore - so I'm planning on doing a SWOG (deep water run) today to give myself 2 full days to recover from the 20 miler before doing another run.

I wanted to try to catch up with my teammates, and believe me I'm thinking of all of you (even if I don't happen to catch you in my reply).

Amy- I hope your appointment at the doctors gives you some good news today. I'm so sorry to hear that you think your marathon dream may be slipping away. Hang in there!

Jodi- I wanted to WISH you PD for your injuries too. Keep it up, we're almost there. And as far as the PT goes, they showed me lots of stretches and exercises when I was there over the summer. I'm not that impressed with what you are reporting about your PT.

Judy- I wanted to WISH you all the best for Mist's trial. I hope it turns around soon!

Cam- WTG on your 20 miler followed up by a 5K!!! You rock girl! I hope Howard is doing OK with trying to burn the candle at both ends.

Krista- Thanks so much for your kind words about my 20 miler. I do feel better now, and proud that I finished 20 miles - even though the last 5 were at a walk. When I came in the door, my DW was sitting there and gave me a huge cheer that made me feel so good. You're right, it is an accomplishment. How 'bout them Steelers!!! Can't wait to beat up on the Brownies this week.

Steve- Awesome job on your 20 miler! Are you back home now?

Mel/Chimera- I don't have much advice about pace. Craig, as always, had some sage advice. In fact, I wonder if that was part of my trouble on my 20 miler - running to fast during my 4 min run sections. My first 10 miles were in the 10:20-10:30 mpm range (with 4R/1W intervals), and I wonder if that was just too fast and my knee stiffened up at mile 15 because of it. I would listen to Craig and not run faster during your running section. Maybe, if anything, try running for 5 or 6 min and walking 1.

Christa- Thanks for the encouragement. I must admit, when my 20 mile run stunk on Saturday, I had wondered if I had really gotten in over my head with this marathon. I'm so glad to have my teammates to "buck" me up. Now, you guys better be right!!! Great job on your run! Maybe instead of the "evil queen" you should be renamed the light, fast, young queen.

MelR- Great job on your 9 miler. Frozen hair??? How does that even happen?

Kristi- There's a huge billboard here in Rochester for the Goo Goo Dolls saying they are playing at some Casino in Niagara this month. I thought of you, and then saw that there was a sold out sign posted on the bill board.

Cecilia- I must admit, I have to agree it sounds strange not to take any gels or anything during your LR or marathon. That's a new one to me, and not consistent with the books I've read.

Carrie and Kevin- how are all the Michiganders dealing with UofM having to "settle" for the Rose Bowl? Actually, the prospect of losing to Ohio St twice was not appealing to me at all, and I'm kind of excited of playing USC in the Rose Bowl. That's a good, classic match up.

OK, I'm going to sneak my SWOG in now here at the University pool, and then work through lunch. I'll catch up more later.

 

[wtpclc]

Haven't read this week, but want to catch uo with last week. Forgive tha thtis is a very quick & dirty catch up post

Cam - Hearing from you after your 20 made my day!!! (And it still woudl have even if the rest of my day hadn't stunk.

Matt, Dave, Celcelia - EVeryone's said a little, but I'll reiterate. I did not finish my 18 last year. Here's what it did for me. 1. I learned night ebfore eating and drinking info. 2. I learned how much durign run fluids matter. 3. I learned hta tperhaps I was disocunting SRs adn XT a bit mcuh. 4. I turned a huge corner in trianign and finished my marathon!!! You will do it. Hang it there! As stated above, it's bestt to ger toyur stonker out of the way now!!

Sunny - Thanks for the V-8 info, to.

jodi, Amy, Krista - Hope you're all healed soon! Krista & Amy, I'm very proud of you for stopping the run (or not startting ot) instead of becomming more injured.

Teri & nucpharm - on teh PRs! Thanks fro the puic, too nucpharm.

Jen - Oh what a feeling! Those longest ever runs are great.

Steven - Hope teh 20-,iler went ok. BTW,w e all give you permission to wear teh tights!

Solo - You picked a lousy day fro a llr. Hope it went ok! COngrats on the victory. I know you initially told me next week would still eb in teh snow boawl. the radio made it sound liek that might change. Any hoe of that?

Side note: I still worry that those of you going above and beyond the MfM plan remember tha tyou open yourself up to more injuries if you go up by m,ore than 10%.

BTW - There is a lot of good info in MfM. Re-reading or readign for the first time might help those suffering with injuries or lack of motivation or migh helo show you how far yu've really come.

OK, here's my scoop :

I'll try to keep this short (ggod luck ). I do not think I'm cut out fo 18-milers. This makes 2 straight years of calling it quits. We had to run on teh road due to snow and ice. We picked one that we thougth had minimal traffic, no snow and a plowed shoulder. Well, 9+ miles on and off the shoudler messed up my knees/hips and Scott's ankles. I kept thinking that if I could make it to the one plowed bike path I'd be ok. Well, I did, but barely. Unfortunatly, I had messed myself up too much by then and the pain did not go away. I followed my rule of thumb, that if I can't keep going without a limp, I must stop. On the bright side, I know my muscles were strong enough, unlike last year. So, I'm not worried aboout the 20-miler, or even the race, but we need to find a training spot. I'm trying to talk Scott into a one month gym membership, so that we can use the treadmill. Mentally, that would be tough for us, but physically may be the best option. (Scott's really not into that, but I think it's the best bet, so cross your fingers that I'll get through or ther is a miraculous weather change.)

I'm cross-training today so I can give the body an extra day off and then we'll run Tue and Thur if we can find a place. Right now it looks like back and forth on the 1.5 miles of cleared path, provided it's still clear.

So, we'll wait and see. There's not chance of snow melting this week adn the path across from us had about 6" of snow, partially melted and refroze. There's no way it will get clear until there's a melt.

So, I'm following my own advice and going to get over it. Now I just need to re-heal a bit, but I did a cold tub Saturday adn iced all weekend. Hopefully, I'll be good tomorrow.

Happy training everyone!

 

[wtpclc]

Oh...and could I get a little football for the Gators? I can't believe USC lost...we could be in the national championship

Sorry , you got no dust from me, but seemed to have gone in your favor anyway.

It is a hard balance btwn pushing too hard and not pushing enough. This year I am finally getting over, mostly, my fear of going to fast and not having anything left. It can be a much more mental issue than physical. Do you do your tempo pace exercises. TO me, this would be teh best way to impreove your pace, as opposed to biting off a whole run at a hightr pace. JMO.

 

[Calcio]

Cecilia

I must admit I was a powerful gu skeptic. I mean I've 50 years old, and I was running just fine way back before gu (as well as waffle trainers, synthetic clothing, etc.), and if it was good enough then it is good enough now.

After hearing the praise of the stuff from one on my undergraduates who ran Boston 2 years ago, I used it in the 2006 full marathon, and I've used it this fall in any training run longer than 9 miles. Honestly, I can feel the power coming back into my legs soon after gulping down in order, some powerade, half a gu, some water. One day I foolishly did 10 and forgot the trio and I really noticed it. So in my experience, the stuff works. It keeps strength in and fatigue out of my legs on long runs.

Craig

 

[wtpclc]

HockeyKim - Are you jumping in the hot tub right after workouts? That's not actually teh best thing to do. A cold tub will help inflamation and circulate blood better to promote healing those muscles. Let us know if you need the cold tub for whimps post. Whimps like me just can't jump into a cold tub, so we've developed some techniques that make it easier. It really does make a difference. COngrats on another great work out! FYI - We can't all keep up with everyone, so don't feel bad if you can't either. Just jump in and let us knwo how you're doing and if you need help!

 

[wtpclc]

DAve - We lost by 3 in COlumbus. You really think we'd lose again? The people who post point spreads will automatically give you 7 just for being at home. I'm thinking it would have been quite a match on neutral territory. Still wondering how a loss to teh undisputed #1 team in teh nation on their home field by 3 points compares to losing to Auburn, who was 11 at the time and not currently ranked, by 10 points. Nothing against FLorida, but people weren't voting for #2 they were voting against a re-match.

 

[wtpclc]

Wendy - Congrats on teh mini Goofy! We know you're here when you can be.

Cecilia - I, too, think your coaches push a bit much. JMO. As for Gu, I can't do more tha an hour w/o. I need something every 40 min. I know that's abnormal, but you really do need more than just owereade if you're going more than 13. DH hate eating during the run, but has learned this year that it make a big diffreence. You'll want to see how you react on a LR before doing it in the race, though.

Vic - Hope you're havign a wonderful time!

Molli - SOrry about the weather. I can sympathize!

Sara - Glad you had a great trip!

Cam - You made teh JIngle run too???? You rock!

OK, I know I still missed people, but I'm sure everyone's gettign sick of seeing so many of my posts by now.

 

[MelRhoads]

Cam - you are officially HARD CORE!!!!!!!

 

[Honeibee]

I haven't read anything in about a week and a half. I'll try to catch up later. But just wanted to tell you guys.....

NOT GUILTY on all five counts of abuse

The trial was a complete joke.

The Sanctuary is asking for extended custody until the civil suits are settled. In the meantime I have my attorney talking to...the abuser....and we put an offer on the table to buy Mist.



One good thing...I did nine miles on Saturday. I was shot from Friday, didn't sleep or eat well, but still had a pretty good run. of course, it helped that I'd get so angry as I was running that I'd speed up. Anyway, I was happy with it. It's the furthest I've ever gone.

 

[Hockeychic]

Carrie, I jumped in the hot tub about 30 mins after we got back. I wanted to make sure my heart rate was back down and I had to eat I was starving....

My hip was a little sore last night and did ice it. Not sure if I could jump in a cold tub. The hot tub feels so nice. I will give it a try.....tips will be greatly appreciated.

I wish I could offer input to you all as well. But I am learning so much from you all.

Thanks

kim

 

[Mouse Skywalker]

I haven't read anything in about a week and a half. I'll try to catch up later. But just wanted to tell you guys.....

NOT GUILTY on all five counts of abuse

The trial was a complete joke.

The Sanctuary is asking for extended custody until the civil suits are settled. In the meantime I have my attorney talking to...the abuser....and we put an offer on the table to buy Mist.



One good thing...I did nine miles on Saturday. I was shot from Friday, didn't sleep or eat well, but still had a pretty good run. of course, it helped that I'd get so angry as I was running that I'd speed up. Anyway, I was happy with it. It's the furthest I've ever gone.

Uuugh, I'm really sorry to hear this outcome Judy. I hope it works out that you get to keep Mist. It does sound like the trial was a joke. Where is the justice? Uuugh.

 

[chimera]

Nothing against FLorida, but people weren't voting for #2 they were voting against a re-match.

I think that's probably true. To me, way down here, Ohio State/Michigan is a regional rivalry, like when we played FSU for the national championship 10 years ago. It was the most important thing in the world to us, but I imagine no one in the other 49 states really cared .

But some credit to the Gators...the SEC was a miserably tough conference this year. I'm still surprised USC lost though and we're seriously in the big dance. How did they end up #2 anyway? And whatever happened to that little school...was it Boise State? Are they still undefeated?

 

[WDWFAN9]

Hi Team

It sounds like everyone is working hard!

Here is a quick report on my 18 miler - first off I got a later start on Saturday than I planned, and then the DVD player acted up. That got me a little worried because I was counting on Season Three of 24 to get me through the day (when you mostly walk, it does seem like 18 miles takes the day). Anyway, DH came to the rescue, fixed the DVD player, and off I went. I was doing intervals of W4 @ 3.8 and R1(well for me it is a run!) at 4.5, which averages out to about a 15mpm pace. Things were going pretty well until DH decided to use a hair dryer to de-ice the backdoor.....yep you guessed it! He blew a fuse and the TM came to a dramatic stop! Fortunately I knew approximately how far and how long I had gone. Poor guy felt horrible though....I took advantage of the unexpected stop to make a quick pitstop while he went downstairs and re-set the circuit breakers. After that he decided to head out to a local park to take snow pictures and leave me to walk in peace.

A little after the 13 mile mark my knees were really hurting, actually a kind of burning ache. So I decided to slow things down. I did the last 5 miles at a lowly 17mpm pace, finisihing with a 15:51 average pace. Just barely ahead of the sweepers. But I know from experience that my TM time is always slower than when I am outside. I followed up with a cold tub soak! Yikes! Do we have a shivering smilie?? But I have to say it really does work because today I feel great!

Ok, with all this football talk I have to mention that DS is a student at OSU. He was at the Michigan game, and is still walking on air! In fact he brought home a hunk of goal line grass that I am now responsible for nurturing. He intends to plant it in his backyard someday!! The big game is going to be the 8th, which just happens to be the day after the full. I am going to have to find a way to watch some of it from the World!

Keep up the great work everyone. I am looking forward seeing you all real soon.

 

[WDWFAN9]

I haven't read anything in about a week and a half. I'll try to catch up later. But just wanted to tell you guys.....

NOT GUILTY on all five counts of abuse

The trial was a complete joke.

The Sanctuary is asking for extended custody until the civil suits are settled. In the meantime I have my attorney talking to...the abuser....and we put an offer on the table to buy Mist.



One good thing...I did nine miles on Saturday. I was shot from Friday, didn't sleep or eat well, but still had a pretty good run. of course, it helped that I'd get so angry as I was running that I'd speed up. Anyway, I was happy with it. It's the furthest I've ever gone.

Oh Judy, how can that be?? Here's hoping that the owner does the right thing and you end up with Mist!!

 

[keenercam]

Judy -- So sorry to hear about the trial. I have been keeping Mist in my prayers in the hopes she can stay with you.

OMG! MelR thinks I am HARD CORE I feel like Rudolph when he was jumping around celebrating Clarice calling him "cute"!

Thank you to everyone who celebrated my effort! I still can't believe I am not as sore as I expected.

Kim -- I definitely recommend the cold bath thing. I did that a few weeks ago after a LR and felt so much better afterwards. I took the advice of various people here, though, and wore a sweatshirt and took a huge cup of hot tea with me to the bath tub.

Craig -- I have to say that I have always followed every bit of advice you have shared when it applied to anything I was undertaking, but I am just not sure I can bring myself to try the gu I just can't imagine getting something of that consistency down, but maybe I'll force myself sometime over the next couple of weeks. I have to admit I've had one in my training bag every time I've gone out for a LW, but just haven't gotten desperate enough to try one yet. I'll have to get a different kind, though, if I'm going to try it. The one I have is a special version that has 2x or 3x the caffeine, and I have cut it out altogether because of the reappearance of my arrhythmia. Do you have a flavor you'd recommend?

Oh, and I am having a clif blocks crisis -- our EMS ran out of all but lime and no one else around here stocks them. Think I'll have to order strawberry on-line. Mel, I can't find your post where you said where you order it from. The good thing is with roadrunner sports vip membership, I don't have to pay shipping, but I'm not sure I want 12 packs of all one flavor.

Carrie -- so sorry your LR was so lousy, but I give you and Scott so much credit just for getting out there in that weather. I am such a wimp! I think a one-month gym membership would make a great early Christmas gift! Then again, be very careful -- I have heard that many runners overdo it on the TM if they are used to being outside and self-regulating on their pace, rather than relying on a machine that is unforgiving and unrelenting.

Cecilia -- I am so glad others have spoken up about your training. I am so excited that you are so geared up for the event, but definitely want you to stay healthy and uninjured and well nourished for the duration. Besides everything else, we want you to love the experience and not come out of it totally fried!

 

[chimera]

Mel, I can't find your post where you said where you order it from.

www.gotbody.com

 

[Kristi1357]

Judy - I am so sorry! Gotta love our 'justice' system sometimes, huh? I will keep my fingers crossed that you can buy Mist!

Dave - I love that you saw that billboard & thought of crazy old me! I have been secretly trying to scheme a way to get to that show. It's a drive-able distance from NH... It's just this darn Disney trip getting in the way! I am supposed to work that Saturday morning, then we leave around noon for the long drive to FL. Darn marathon!

Cam - I didn't read your actual post, but 20 miles???

Monday is my xt at the Y day.
I'll do my 40 mins. on the bike after a nap. I am beat today!

 

[keenercam]

Oh, another thing about outdoor cold-weather running.

Saturday night was in the 40s and we were so COLD walking from the van to registration, back to the van, then to the start. Very cold! I was wearing a long-sleeved tech shirt, then a running pullover with the arms that come down over your hands, then a heavy cotton sweatshirt. I also had on a tech running hat (said "life is good") and running gloves. Very cold at the start. Within the first 100 yards, I was so hot! I stayed overwarm the entire time. ICK! I definitely could have done the race without the sweatshirt, though even the thought of it makes me shiver. If I hadn't pinned my race number to the sweatshirt, it would have come off very quickly.

Just consider this my friendly PSA for the day -- say it with me -- "disposable layers" and "pin your number somewhere other than the top layer".

Oh, and Saturday night, Andrew finished his first "running all the way" 5K! I think his time was around 28 minutes, so he wasn't as impressed with his pace as I think he should have been, but I am so proud that he ran the entire way! Howard said Andrew kept up with him for quite a while before dropping back a bit.