Wine and Dine 2015

[Dis5150]

I had a feeling - been there, done that! Still battling it, but it's getting better.

Were you able to run? I hate missing my training because it takes me forever to get back to where I was....

 

[Keels]

Got the last of my party tickets today!

Anyone else doing MNSSHP on Nov. 1 and MVMCP on Nov. 8?? I'm going to the Halloween party solo, but I'm dragging the husband to MVMCP for pictures with our bling for our Christmas Card.

 

[sperkins921]

Newtons absolutely DO take some getting used to, so it could be that. My shoes definitely fit well and the lugs in my Gravity's and Fates fall directly underneath the ball of my foot. But other models I've tried are slightly differently positioned: the Motion lugs fall a little further back, compared to the Gravity's, and the Distance's lugs fall slightly more forward. They're all the same size and all fit the same all around, so I really think the lugs' placement depends on the model and what its specific use is. For instance, the Distance is meant to be more of a speed shoe and for sure, the more forward lugs help keep me forward and on my toes for faster runs; they're not comfortable for easy, slow slogs. The Gravity lugs fall in a place that seems to work better at longer distances.

A thumbs' width is what I've got at the top of my shoes, too. And yep, the toe box is pretty wide on purpose: the more your foot/toes can splay on impact, the better they control lateral movement and provide power. That said, you shouldn't feel like the shoe is loose all around and floppy. And my Newtons are all the same size I wear in most other brands, so going up a full size sounds like it could be too much. All this rambling to say I think it's worth trying a half size smaller to compare, lol!

I would not say that there floppy all around but I would say they are quite a bit looser at the ball of the foot than I am used to. I was once fitted in a pair of newtons at a running store and the sales person swore that I needed to size up a full size in the shoes. While I suspect that I probably should size up because I seem to suffer from Bruised/sore 2nd and 3red toes on runs 6 miles and longer; I just can't get past the feeling of all that extra shoe.

The lugs seem to work as designed when I'm jogging around my house, in that I forefoot strike almost naturally. And I am not a forefoot Striker, I tend to be a heel towards midfoot striker.

While I know that you can return a pair of shoes to running warehouse used, I ordered three pair and it is my first order with them. I don't want to end up running on all three pair and having to return them. I don't want to have to be seen as taking advantage you know?

From what I can tell the aha model is supposed to be a daily runner for all distances but is considered one of newtons Gateway trainers. That is I believe it is designed to introduce people to the Newton running shoe itself. Again, running around the house it doesn't seem to be too big of a change, but all that space is a little disconcerting. I am not prune to blistering, but I worry all that extra space equal friction equal blisters.

Also, whie I have a neutral foot and tend towards supination my little bit lower arch means that on long runs a flatter shoe is not going to be comfortable. the Newton seems like a little less supportive shoe. Do you or did you have any problems with arch pain or Achilles tendinitis when you were first running in these shoes?

I wanted to check on here first to see what others thought about how newtons fit and it sounds like these biomechanically will not be an issue so I guess I will just take them out for a run. I'm supposed to do a long run this weekend, but I think I will take them out for my 30 to 45 minutes session instead. Probably not a good idea to take a brand-new shoot out for a long run untested LOL

 

[NormaG]

@Keels my DH, DS and I will be at MVMCP Nov.8.

 

[ZellyB]

Got the last of my party tickets today!

Anyone else doing MNSSHP on Nov. 1 and MVMCP on Nov. 8?? I'm going to the Halloween party solo, but I'm dragging the husband to MVMCP for pictures with our bling for our Christmas Card.

@Keels my DH, DS and I will be at MVMCP Nov.8.

We are also going to MVMCP on November 8. I haven't gotten any tickets though and I purchased them as soon as they went on sale. Do they mail them out to you? I see them on my MDE listed, but I don't think I've gotten any hard tickets. This is my first time going to one of the parties, so I don't really know how all that works.

 

[Dis5150]

We are going to MVMCP on the 10th as we leave on the 11th and wanted that to be our last night, to put us into holiday mode.

 

[huggybuff]

We are also going to MVMCP on November 8. I haven't gotten any tickets though and I purchased them as soon as they went on sale. Do they mail them out to you? I see them on my MDE listed, but I don't think I've gotten any hard tickets. This is my first time going to one of the parties, so I don't really know how all that works.

I got mine in the mail very shortly after I ordered them on the first day they went on sale. I'm going on 11/13 though.

I had a nice hour-long run this morning. Things are moving in the right direction!

 

[RogueKnits]

Ugh! I woke up with pain on the top of my right foot, the tendon/muscle that runs between my big and second toe up to my ankle. I have never had pain in this spot before. It hurts when I flex my foot by taking a step. No pain when I am just sitting still. I did not even know I could pull a muscle there! I am thinking of skipping my 30 minute run tonight so I don't sabotage my 6.5 mile Saturday run.

I had the same thing this past spring, also from tying my shoes too tight. If you nip it now, when it first pops up, hopefully you will have a minimal amount of downtime. I foolishly kept running (it would hurt the day after a run, but then clear up after about a day of rest, so I'd run again) and I ended up having to take about 3 weeks off of running completely to let it heal enough. Here's what worked for me, of course YMMV:

• Rest--if this is the first time you've had this pain, maybe try a week off and then do a short run and see how it goes. As I said, it took me 3 full weeks off to recover, but I kept trying to get back out there too quickly.
• Ice the top of your foot every evening, but especially after any running
• Tie your laces really loose. Like, just enough to keep them from falling off when you run. You should be able to actually pull your sneaker off of your foot if you try. It will feel weird and way too loose, but you get used to it.
• Look up some alternative lacing techniques. There is one that I tried where the laces go straight across the shoe (instead of crossing in the middle) that worked well for me. I have since switched to elastic laces on one pair of shoes, and those are working well also, but again you have to be careful they aren't too tight.
• Try not to wear any shoes that are tight across the top of your foot until you are recovered.

 

[RogueKnits]

Got the last of my party tickets today!

Anyone else doing MNSSHP on Nov. 1 and MVMCP on Nov. 8?? I'm going to the Halloween party solo, but I'm dragging the husband to MVMCP for pictures with our bling for our Christmas Card.

I'll be at MVMCP with my husband. I definitely want to get some pictures for our card as well, although my husband is usually pretty resistant to waiting in line for character pictures. Maybe he'll be more "in the spirit" because it's a special event.

 

[RogueKnits]

We are also going to MVMCP on November 8. I haven't gotten any tickets though and I purchased them as soon as they went on sale. Do they mail them out to you? I see them on my MDE listed, but I don't think I've gotten any hard tickets. This is my first time going to one of the parties, so I don't really know how all that works.

It depends on the option you selected when you bought them. You could do "will call", mailed tickets or e-tickets. I did the e-ticket option and you get a pdf that you can print out. The tickets are also on my MDE, so I'm not sure you need the printout, but I'm bringing it with me just in case. I'm not sure what you have to do if you chose "will call".

 

[ZellyB]

It depends on the option you selected when you bought them. You could do "will call", mailed tickets or e-tickets. I did the e-ticket option and you get a pdf that you can print out. The tickets are also on my MDE, so I'm not sure you need the printout, but I'm bringing it with me just in case. I'm not sure what you have to do if you chose "will call".

Thank you! That triggered my memory. I'm pretty sure I did the e-ticket option now that you say that. I probably have the PDF saved somewhere. My memory these days is just terrible!!

 

[Dis5150]

I had the same thing this past spring, also from tying my shoes too tight. If you nip it now, when it first pops up, hopefully you will have a minimal amount of downtime. I foolishly kept running (it would hurt the day after a run, but then clear up after about a day of rest, so I'd run again) and I ended up having to take about 3 weeks off of running completely to let it heal enough. Here's what worked for me, of course YMMV:

• Rest--if this is the first time you've had this pain, maybe try a week off and then do a short run and see how it goes. As I said, it took me 3 full weeks off to recover, but I kept trying to get back out there too quickly.
• Ice the top of your foot every evening, but especially after any running
• Tie your laces really loose. Like, just enough to keep them from falling off when you run. You should be able to actually pull your sneaker off of your foot if you try. It will feel weird and way too loose, but you get used to it.
• Look up some alternative lacing techniques. There is one that I tried where the laces go straight across the shoe (instead of crossing in the middle) that worked well for me. I have since switched to elastic laces on one pair of shoes, and those are working well also, but again you have to be careful they aren't too tight.
• Try not to wear any shoes that are tight across the top of your foot until you are recovered.

Thank you! I will try all of those things. Yesterday I wore a pair of sandals to work that had a t strap up the top and they killed me! I didn't realize when I left the house exactly why it was hurting. Today I wore my slip on sketcher sneakers and they feel so much better. I probably would have run in the morning since it is feeling better. But I definitely don't want to be set back! I will take this week off and keep icing it. My Nike shoes have elastic hoops instead of holes for the laces. I think that's why I end up lacing them too tight. I tried to use a different lacing pattern (ladder?) but didn't really work with the hoops. I will keep trying and find something that works.

I am really discouraged. I wonder what other running related injuries I can manage to get before W&D. I am a total new runner, so just skipping this 6.5 mile run is going to set me back. Do you think I can make up the time? Like after skipping the 6.5 I could do that the following week, instead of the 3 that is scheduled?

 

[RogueKnits]

Thank you! I will try all of those things. Yesterday I wore a pair of sandals to work that had a t strap up the top and they killed me! I didn't realize when I left the house exactly why it was hurting. Today I wore my slip on sketcher sneakers and they feel so much better. I probably would have run in the morning since it is feeling better. But I definitely don't want to be set back! I will take this week off and keep icing it. My Nike shoes have elastic hoops instead of holes for the laces. I think that's why I end up lacing them too tight. I tried to use a different lacing pattern (ladder?) but didn't really work with the hoops. I will keep trying and find something that works.

I am really discouraged. I wonder what other running related injuries I can manage to get before W&D. I am a total new runner, so just skipping this 6.5 mile run is going to set me back. Do you think I can make up the time? Like after skipping the 6.5 I could do that the following week, instead of the 3 that is scheduled?

Personally, yes, I would just do the 6.5 next week and then skip the 3 miler. Or don't skip the 3 miler, but push everything back a week and drop the 14 miler at the end. I don't think I've ever followed a training plan exactly as set out. Something always comes up (injury, vacation, sickness, bad weather) that makes me skip runs and fiddle around with the distances. Galloway has you topping out at 14 miles, but many (possibly most) half marathon plans for beginners don't even go the entire distance during training. My personal rule of thumb is if I manage at least a 12 mile long run before the race, I'm good to go. I may feel like crap afterward, but the excitement of race day will carry me that extra mile. The Galloway training plans are great, I'm doing a Galloway plan for this race myself, but there are many different ways to approach training for a half marathon and you shouldn't feel that if you can't run the plan exactly as written that you won't be able to run the race.

Sorry you're dealing with an injury at this point. I know it can be really discouraging. I don't think I've ever gotten through an entire race cycle without some sort of injury, and every time I worry that I'll miss the race, but that hasn't happened yet. We still have plenty of time before the race. Better to take some time off now than push yourself and realize a few weeks out that you won't be able to run the race.

 

[Dis5150]

Personally, yes, I would just do the 6.5 next week and then skip the 3 miler. Or don't skip the 3 miler, but push everything back a week and drop the 14 miler at the end. I don't think I've ever followed a training plan exactly as set out. Something always comes up (injury, vacation, sickness, bad weather) that makes me skip runs and fiddle around with the distances. Galloway has you topping out at 14 miles, but many (possibly most) half marathon plans for beginners don't even go the entire distance during training. My personal rule of thumb is if I manage at least a 12 mile long run before the race, I'm good to go. I may feel like crap afterward, but the excitement of race day will carry me that extra mile. The Galloway training plans are great, I'm doing a Galloway plan for this race myself, but there are many different ways to approach training for a half marathon and you shouldn't feel that if you can't run the plan exactly as written that you won't be able to run the race.

Sorry you're dealing with an injury at this point. I know it can be really discouraging. I don't think I've ever gotten through an entire race cycle without some sort of injury, and every time I worry that I'll miss the race, but that hasn't happened yet. We still have plenty of time before the race. Better to take some time off now than push yourself and realize a few weeks out that you won't be able to run the race.

Yeah, maybe I can figure out something that works. I'm registered for a fun 10K in week 17 so I will be doing that instead of the 3 miler that week. I will play around with the schedule. And work on my attitude, lol. :/

 

[Miranda]

Galloway has you topping out at 14 miles, but many (possibly most) half marathon plans for beginners don't even go the entire distance during training. My personal rule of thumb is if I manage at least a 12 mile long run before the race, I'm good to go. I may feel like crap afterward, but the excitement of race day will carry me that extra mile. The Galloway training plans are great, I'm doing a Galloway plan for this race myself, but there are many different ways to approach training for a half marathon and you shouldn't feel that if you can't run the plan exactly as written that you won't be able to run the race.

This.

I would just push it back and not worry about it too much if you drop the 14 miler at the end and top out at 12.5. I did not do the 14 miler during Tink training with the beginner plan (I planned on doing 13 that day and ended up doing 12.1 due to blisters). I was going to suggest dropping one of the extra step back weeks between the last 2 long runs or during the taper, but I see the beginner plan for this race is quite a bit different than the Tink one was. The beginner plan for Tink had a 3 week taper, which I thought was really excessive, and it also had 3 weeks between the last two long runs! The last 7 weeks went 13, 3, 3, 14, 3, 3, then race day, and I felt rather undertrained going into race day. I would not worry though if I only made it up to 12.5 two weeks before... you will have a lot of adrenaline that will get you through that last 0.6 miles.

 

[AThrillingChase]

Personally, yes, I would just do the 6.5 next week and then skip the 3 miler. Or don't skip the 3 miler, but push everything back a week and drop the 14 miler at the end. I don't think I've ever followed a training plan exactly as set out. Something always comes up (injury, vacation, sickness, bad weather) that makes me skip runs and fiddle around with the distances. Galloway has you topping out at 14 miles, but many (possibly most) half marathon plans for beginners don't even go the entire distance during training. My personal rule of thumb is if I manage at least a 12 mile long run before the race, I'm good to go. I may feel like crap afterward, but the excitement of race day will carry me that extra mile. The Galloway training plans are great, I'm doing a Galloway plan for this race myself, but there are many different ways to approach training for a half marathon and you shouldn't feel that if you can't run the plan exactly as written that you won't be able to run the race.

Sorry you're dealing with an injury at this point. I know it can be really discouraging. I don't think I've ever gotten through an entire race cycle without some sort of injury, and every time I worry that I'll miss the race, but that hasn't happened yet. We still have plenty of time before the race. Better to take some time off now than push yourself and realize a few weeks out that you won't be able to run the race.

I would probably push everything back a week and drop the 14. Since you are coming off an injury, I think I would want that shorter 3 mile run to have a break and not push too hard too soon. Truthfully, when you start getting past say 10 or so mile runs, it becomes more of a mental training. If you can run that you can run 13.1! For my first half I only went up to 9 miles and I was fine. It was PHM in February and I live in Cleveland, so running outside became not possible in January with our weather and I lost my mind running 90 laps on the local indoor track. I decided that was my tops!! I was sore after the race, but I don't know that it was really that much more than it would be even had I gone to 13 miles in training. Finishing the race plan I think generally leaves you more satisfied (which I am sure is what you are feeling!) but with adrenalin as PP noted, you will finish no problem if you skip a run or two.

VERY thankfully for this race, I will not have iced sidewalks and sleet pounding me in the face to deal with. Just some chilly mornings and orange leaves

...until I move over to train for the marathon weekend half. At least I will be able to eat whatever I want over the holidays!

 

[Dis5150]

I think what I am going to do is skip this week's 6.5. Then next week do 3.5-4.0, instead of 3.0. Then the following week, instead of 8.0 do 7.0-7.5. Then I would get back on track with the next 3.0. Does that sound feasible? I can't really just push it back, as I have a Disney vacation Sept 17-22 and 2 races in October that I registered for already, because the weekends worked out with the training schedule. I can do a 3.0 at Disney, but I don't see myself doing a 9.5 on vacation, lol. I KNOW it wouldn't happen.

 

[Belle Ella]

I believe my friend purchased out airfare yesterday! More and more things are starting to fall into place, it's so exciting!

 

[pxefig]

Yikes! Just found a runDisney TA that had a bib and booked my flights for $187 r/t. Looks like I'm late to the party, but in for the Wine and Dine Half!

 

[huggybuff]

Yikes! Just found a runDisney TA that had a bib and booked my flights for $187 r/t. Looks like I'm late to the party, but in for the Wine and Dine Half!

How exciting! And such good luck too