Why SO Many Complaints?

so you started a thread to complain about the complaints threads? efficient?

i thought the complaint thread was fine until i came upon this post...its kinda like the principal at my school telling all the faculty and staff that we were using toooooo much paper by sending out a memo that was one line "Teachers please cut back on your paper usage." on an 8 1/2X11 sheet of paper to each person in the building. :rotfl:
 
Thanks for the dust! Believe it or not, I'm a very easy-going person, very quick (my wife would say too quick) to forgive mistakes, and extremely excited and optimistic about our pending trip. I regret if my previous posts gave the opposite impression. We haven't been in many years, so the whole "it's not as good as it used to be" thing will be a non-issue for us. I'm very confident we'll have a terrific time!

(BTW, my wife and I went to UGA and later lived in Marietta for a few years. We miss Atlanta and the Southeast!)

Go Dawgs!! :thumbsup2
 
Thanks for the dust! Believe it or not, I'm a very easy-going person, very quick (my wife would say too quick) to forgive mistakes, and extremely excited and optimistic about our pending trip. I regret if my previous posts gave the opposite impression. We haven't been in many years, so the whole "it's not as good as it used to be" thing will be a non-issue for us. I'm very confident we'll have a terrific time!

We share this optimisim. As well as the understanding that Disney is not a charity, and there are expectation's for the $$$ we spend.
 

If you decide that you're going to have a great vacation in your backyard, sitting in a kiddie pool with a glass of wine, watching your kids play in the sprinkler and listening to CDs of French accordian music and making believe you're on the Riviera, then I guarantee you that you will have a great vacation. If you decide that you're going to have a lousy time at WDW staying at the Grand FL and having a VIP guide every day and eating at California Grill while watching Wishes, then I guarantee that you will have a lousy vacation. Disney is not 100% responsible for you having a great vacation. You hold some responsibility there as well.

I could not have said it better myself. I know this is true. I woke up grumpy one day and until my husband Kicked me in the rear (not literally verbally!)
EVERYONES day was ruined. You make the choice to be happy- you hold the responsibility.
Honestly I don't care how many shows there are or what night is F! or MNSSHP - I just care about being there.
Now granted if it was a rundown shabby ol' amusement park would I go? NO- but its not ,they do very well maintaining everything so if they need to skimp in a few areas we should understand that they are trying to keep a float in a crappy economy too.
 
Disney is not blessing you at all. Nor are they (or anyone else) telling you they are. The world -- or whatever god you believe in -- is blessing you by making it possible for you to still have the funds or the means to visit WDW. When people say they are blessed to still be able to go, they mean that they are lucky to still have a job and money coming in and the funds to make the trip. You are not "blessed by Disney", you are "blessed to be able to go to Disney." And Disney, I suppose, is blessed because you still choose to go there.


And Disney very much wants to meet and exceed that expectation. However, I think it also needs to be said that Disney doesn't create 100% of the magic. Some of that has to come from you too. You either decide to have a great vacation or you decide not to -- and that's true wherever you go and however much money you spend.

If you decide that you're going to have a great vacation in your backyard, sitting in a kiddie pool with a glass of wine, watching your kids play in the sprinkler and listening to CDs of French accordian music and making believe you're on the Riviera, then I guarantee you that you will have a great vacation. If you decide that you're going to have a lousy time at WDW staying at the Grand FL and having a VIP guide every day and eating at California Grill while watching Wishes, then I guarantee that you will have a lousy vacation. Disney is not 100% responsible for you having a great vacation. You hold some responsibility there as well.

My biggest worry with all the complaining and back-and-forth discussions about the cuts and the economy is that people will walk into WDW EXPECTING to be unhappy. They will EXPECT their trip to be less than the last one. They won't go in thinking, "I'm going to have a great Disney vacation with my family!", they're going to go in thinking, "Oh man ... Disney's cutting back and that's SO going to spoil this trip." It's up to you to decide whether you still get your money's worth from WDW even without Fant! every night or three concierges at the desk or 45 characters on the street instead of 48. And if the value isn't there for you, then please do complain to Disney. Ask for your money back. Cancel your next trip. Stop buying the DVDs. Whatever you need to do to let Disney know. But if you do still have a magical time and you enjoy yourself and you find that it was just as great a vacation as last time, let people know that too.

:earsboy:


I agree with you 100% WDSearcher!! What position at WDW do you have?
 
What has disney cut to be exactly?????????????????? After 80 posts lets get down to the nitty gritty..... Please list becuase we are returning in August and I would like to brace myself ??? ( MY DH wants to know )


The biggest thing Disney has cut is staff. We'll have to see how this will affect the paying customer's overall experience in the theme parks. Those that know exactly how many jobs were cut, which positions they included, how the company has been (and will be) restructured and reorganized, etc. can probably venture the best guess as to how much of an impact these cuts will have on the average park guest's experience. But I can't imagine there won't be an impact.

I can only go by others' trip reports, since my only recent WDW experience was a quick one-day trip to Epcot to partake in an annual Beers Around the World excursion, but the biggest red flag to me in the realm of whether "guests are receiving the level of service and entertainment they are paying for" was the park closing multiple days in a row (to at least some guests) the week preceding Easter Sunday.

As reported by wdwmagic.com (more than a week BEFORE the MK was forced to close to some guests), Disney expected to break their all-time MK weekly attendance record that week. In other words, they didn't only KNOW this was going to happen, they PLANNED it to happen. They rolled out aggressive promotions at a time when they knew park attendance would already be high (Spring Break & Easter Week) knowing that they would have to temporarily shut down a park if they actually hit the attendance numbers they were gunning for. Certainly, it was a financial decision, and presumably a very necessary one (financially), but no matter how you slice it, it was a decision that was made at the expense of customer service to at least a few of their paying customers.

I understand & appreciate the flipside of that argument - that if Disney doesn't make these financial decisions in the short-term, it could affect the success of the company in the long-term. So I'm not saying Disney did the right or wrong thing. But I can completely understand why anyone who was shut out of the parks those days would be extremely dissatisfied with their Disney experience. And they would certainly have the right to complain about it.

As several posters have pointed out, at the end of the day Disney is a business - one that must succeed financially in order to exist. Having said that, like any other business, Disney has to satisfy its customers by providing the goods & services it promises. Disney has no one but itself to blame for its customers' high expectations - they purposely market themselves to be held to those expectations, and price their product accordingly.

I guess what I'm saying is, nobody is right or wrong here - since we're all individuals with our own opinions of value, we each, individually, have to decide whether WDW is offering the level of service and entertainment that we expect from them. And since we're individuals with different expectations, perspectives, tastes, attitudes, etc., those opinions are always going to run the full spectrum.

*Interesting side-note - during our most recent Beers Around the World session, we came across a gentleman serving beer in the UK who was American. Now, in our 9 years of Beers Around the World, we have never encountered an individual serving beer at one of the World Showcase pavilions who wasn't from that country. Naturally, my response was "Hey - you're not from the UK!" He laughed and said he was helping out. That's when it struck me - I said "are you a manager?" He said yes. So I asked him if he was "helping out" because they didn't have the necessary staff available to keep up with that day's crowds (admittedly a rhetorical question). He just smiled at me and nodded. So a small sign of how things can be affected - I still received excellent service, but after 9 years of experiencing Beers around the World, an American serving beer in the UK stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
 
I would like to point out that if you are staying off site the increase in food prices is actually a price increase not decrease. I completely understand their marketing. However when you talk about less magic for less money ...this is not true for a large number of people in the park.
 
Not an expert on this, but I think the parks hit capacity and temporarily close the gates every year. Not sure that would go in the category of degradation of service due to cutbacks.
 
Disney is not blessing you at all. Nor are they (or anyone else) telling you they are. The world -- or whatever god you believe in -- is blessing you by making it possible for you to still have the funds or the means to visit WDW. When people say they are blessed to still be able to go, they mean that they are lucky to still have a job and money coming in and the funds to make the trip. You are not "blessed by Disney", you are "blessed to be able to go to Disney." And Disney, I suppose, is blessed because you still choose to go there.


And Disney very much wants to meet and exceed that expectation. However, I think it also needs to be said that Disney doesn't create 100% of the magic. Some of that has to come from you too. You either decide to have a great vacation or you decide not to -- and that's true wherever you go and however much money you spend.

If you decide that you're going to have a great vacation in your backyard, sitting in a kiddie pool with a glass of wine, watching your kids play in the sprinkler and listening to CDs of French accordian music and making believe you're on the Riviera, then I guarantee you that you will have a great vacation. If you decide that you're going to have a lousy time at WDW staying at the Grand FL and having a VIP guide every day and eating at California Grill while watching Wishes, then I guarantee that you will have a lousy vacation. Disney is not 100% responsible for you having a great vacation. You hold some responsibility there as well.

My biggest worry with all the complaining and back-and-forth discussions about the cuts and the economy is that people will walk into WDW EXPECTING to be unhappy. They will EXPECT their trip to be less than the last one. They won't go in thinking, "I'm going to have a great Disney vacation with my family!", they're going to go in thinking, "Oh man ... Disney's cutting back and that's SO going to spoil this trip." It's up to you to decide whether you still get your money's worth from WDW even without Fant! every night or three concierges at the desk or 45 characters on the street instead of 48. And if the value isn't there for you, then please do complain to Disney. Ask for your money back. Cancel your next trip. Stop buying the DVDs. Whatever you need to do to let Disney know. But if you do still have a magical time and you enjoy yourself and you find that it was just as great a vacation as last time, let people know that too.

:earsboy:


There are people who go through life asking to see the manager. They will never be satisfied.
 
Not an expert on this, but I think the parks hit capacity and temporarily close the gates every year. Not sure that would go in the category of degradation of service due to cutbacks.

I'm not saying it's a change in service, I was just a bit surprised to learn it's done on purpose, as a financial strategy. I'm sure they've crunched all the numbers and figured if one park is closed, the guests will go to another one of their 3 parks. All I'm saying is it's clearly an example of Disney putting "maximizing profits" ahead of "maximizing profits WHILE maximizing service" - at least in these limited scenarios.
 
Wish I could complain about going to Disney!!! BUT we are one of those families that my husband has lost his job, been out of work for 3 months, and it doesn't look good..:sad1: I guess I got bigger things to worry about like keeping the roof over our heads and feeding my children.....wish all I had to complain about is things like it's not fair they cut the amount of shows back or something else so small.
 
Well i guess the bottom line line is this if you dont want to go to disney becuase you feel like yourgetting gipped then dont go and if you want to hang in there and support a company like disney then go , disney in not mandatory

EXACTLY!!!

Too much feeling of entitlement here.
Especially by those who go to Disney frequently

In a way Disney is in a new win situtation.
If they close something people complain. (ie, PI and Adventures Club)
If they don't change, there's nothing new and people complain.
Guess what people!
You are not entitled to see Fantastic or anything else. Your fortunate.
 
EXACTLY!!!

Too much feeling of entitlement here.
Especially by those who go to Disney frequently

In a way Disney is in a new win situtation.
If they close something people complain. (ie, PI and Adventures Club)
If they don't change, there's nothing new and people complain.
Guess what people!
You are not entitled to see Fantastic or anything else. Your fortunate.

I want to clearify, it is not a feeling of entitlement. It's an expectation, that Disney has created. If you pay hard earned money you expect (and surley are entitled) a quality product.
 
Too much feeling of entitlement here.
Guess what people!
You are not entitled to see Fantastic or anything else. Your fortunate.

Really? I just paid $3500 for a vacation and I'm not entitled to anything? I should consider myself fortunate if Disney gives me anything for my $3500? Is that really what you're saying? If not, then...what are you saying?:confused3
 
Really? I just paid $3500 for a vacation and I'm not entitled to anything? I should consider myself fortunate if Disney gives me anything for my $3500? Is that really what you're saying? If not, then...what are you saying?:confused3


Wha? Who said that? :confused:

This is all getting a little silly, IMO. There is about a world and a half between being entitled to a Disney vacation and being entitled to every bit of overkill your heart desires. You guys, Disney is spectacular! It's not just a spectacle, it's a dozen spectacles each and every day. And transportation, and some free dining maybe, and people DANCING for you to make you happy. Smile a little!
 
EXACTLY!!!

Too much feeling of entitlement here.
Especially by those who go to Disney frequently

In a way Disney is in a new win situtation.
If they close something people complain. (ie, PI and Adventures Club)
If they don't change, there's nothing new and people complain.
Guess what people!
You are not entitled to see Fantastic or anything else. Your fortunate.

When you pay thousands of dollars for a vacation and that is suppose to be part of the vacation you are entitled to it. You wouldn't go into a steak house order a steak, potatoe, salad, and not expect to get your salad. Same thing. When I go to the World I have certain expectations to see shows, rides, good food, general entertainment and I expect to get what I pay for.

All I'm saying is, WDW isn't like a non-profit entertainment event where it's all for charity and I give them a break and don't expect excellence because, heck, they mean well and its all for a good cause. WDW is a business that has happily accepted thousands of dollars of my money. And I am happy to pay those thousands of dollars because I have every expectation that they will provide the magical vacation they promised. If all goes well (and I hope and expect that it will) it'll be a win-win situation for Disney and me. But it will still, in the end, be a mutually successful business transaction, not a "blessing" from Disney.[/QUOTE]

Thank-you.

When I pay for a service I expect to get it, when I go to Disney I work hard, save, and plan. There is no blessing there I put in the hard work to get there. I don't have money, never have, but I scrimp and save to spend my time there and I expect to be treated the way any consumer should be. I work in retail, I know how to treat customers. I don't want to go to Disney and this isn't working (Yeti), and the lines are extremely long because there aren't enough registers open at Cosmic Ray's, and the carosel of progress is only open seasonally. When do we say enough is enough.

I saw a show on the History Chanel not long ago about when they opened The World and they talked about the things that went wrong the first day it was opened. They went to work that night and got things fixed. If Walt saw some of the things that were going on in his park I'm sure he would be ashamed.

I've said it in another post I love Disney, always have and always will. I just hope Disney get's it's game face back on.
 
Really? I just paid $3500 for a vacation and I'm not entitled to anything? I should consider myself fortunate if Disney gives me anything for my $3500? Is that really what you're saying? If not, then...what are you saying?:confused3

I'm saying your paying for a Disney Vacation. jsut like anyone else.
It doens't matter how much you pay. You get what Disney offers.
Paying more doesn't entitle you to get a show or attraction when you think it should be.
When you walk through the gate your as entitled to what Disney offers equally. No more than anyone who spend the bare mimimum.
Just because you've been there before and it was there doesn't mean it has to be there when you come back. Or it's less of a vacation. It's a different vacation. Different Experience each time.
To complain because it's a different schedule or if it's on one night not another? That's complaining because you think your entitled.
 


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