Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

[tinkerdorabelle]

Argggggh! The teacher's union. Please. Must. Resist...

Someone tell me to step away from the soapbox before I get hurt!

I'm not getting into a Union debate either, I didn't drag it into that. I was making a point about my family and friends unions and the fact that we feel safe with our Unions. Obviously some unions are better than others. We feel secure and aren't scared every day that we are going to go to work and have our pay cut or look at our boss the wrong way and get fired. We have pensions, we have security and its important to us. So we vote accordingly. You don't like unions, then thats ok too, you vote your way, or work where you don't have to be in a union. We have life insurance, 401Ks. Straight pensions. Worker's Comp. Long Term disability if my husband gets hurt. My husband can speak his mind or vote for contracts and pay raises, etc. etc. This is not a Union debate here or getting into individual unions, which are better, etc., etc., make that another thread. I was trying to make a different point. Others are dragging it into this area. I was making a different point.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

This thread was about Obama...don't go throwing Bush into the mix. It is SOOOOO easy to blame him. I sure as hell wouldn't want to the be the pres in this country.

I'm making the point that Republicans also listen to special interest groups. Not just Bush but republican party. It is very interesting that Bush received millions from the oil industry.

 

[Planogirl]

I wish that I belonged to a Union. I know, I need to move on.

Anyway, I agree that BOTH sides kowtow to special interests. The Democrats and Republicans are often easily bought and way too often controlled by these groups.

 

[manning]

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1903158

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I wish that I belonged to a Union. I know, I need to move on.

Anyway, I agree that BOTH sides kowtow to special interests. The Democrats and Republicans are often easily bought and way too often controlled by these groups.

It is true, they are too easily, both. I hope that whoever any of us vote for, we do it without the propaganda thats out there which was why I felt compelled to write, but let myself get off topic so sorry guys. I forgot how easily it is to do on these sites. I hope I didn't offend. Maybe there's a full moon?? Anyway moving on also.

 

[Master Mason]

You are referring to my post as I wrote it. Obviously, I am NOT blindly speaking. Unions support the Democrat running and there is a reason for that. Policeman Union who is my cousin's union, my husband's union, my brother's union, my nephews union, my father's old union and my father was a DELEGATE in his Union, who went to Washington DC to lobby for Union rights, my mother's old Union, etc., etc., etc. They ALL support the Democrat running. Please get it right when you quote me.

Let them leave their job then. We like our Unions so we vote accordingly. I'm not in a Union myself and like I said, I am at the mercy of my company and trust me, I'm constantly bleeped. Union jobs by me are like gold. People are dying to get into them. We value ours. I'm not going to get into a Union debate. I'm responding to someone misquoting me.

Actually you are getting yourself into a Union debate.

Blind following of anything shows a lack of personal thinking, just because you Union tells you to do something does not make it right and proper. If that is how you chose to live your life and make your decisions that's just fine, have at it.

My point remains the same, people on both sides of the equation will make decsions based on what other people tell them to do, without doing their own investigation.

And yes you said that All republicans wish to tear down the unions, that is simply a false statement.

It is true, they are too easily, both. I hope that whoever any of us vote for, we do it without the propaganda thats out there which was why I felt compelled to write, but let myself get off topic so sorry guys. I forgot how easily it is to do on these sites. I hope I didn't offend. Maybe there's a full moon?? Anyway moving on also.

 

[slytherinbratz]

I agree on you 100% here. What really scares me the most is that he may actually end up winning. I hope McCain picks a good VP because that is his only true hope unless American's wise up to Obama.

 

[duckfan78]

I'm making the point that Republicans also listen to special interest groups. Not just Bush but republican party. It is very interesting that Bush received millions from the oil industry.

Can you show me what Millions you are talking about? Bush files a tax return just like you and I do.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Actually you are getting yourself into a Union debate.

Blind following of anything shows a lack of personal thinking, just because you Union tells you to do something does not make it right and proper. If that is how you chose to live your life and make your decisions that's just fine, have at it.

My point remains the same, people on both sides of the equation will make decsions based on what other people tell them to do, without doing their own investigation.

And yes you said that All republicans wish to tear down the unions, that is simply a false statement.

I'M NOT EVEN IN A UNION. Get your facts straight when you twist and take what I said out of context. I was responding to what you said. Republican party generally does NOT back unions. Thats a fact. And since you say otherwise, where are your facts? I vote from personal experience and never have I done anything bc someone else told me to, ever. And I made the point that most Unions support the Democrat running and that there is a reason for that. I made the point my company totally bleeps me every chance they get and I'm at their whim. I'm democratic for many many reasons including the MAIN fact that this administration has completely and totally DESTROYED this country. I'm also for rights for all people. I am also totally and completely against this war. You give me one good reason to vote for a republican. I receive NO propaganda against McCain, but every single day I get some silly stupid e-mail about Obama or his wife. Maybe its just me but I really honestly don't get any propaganda e-mails regarding McCain. Its going to be another Swiftboating. I become so shocked how so many vote from what they hear on Hannity and O'Reilly and the propaganda e-mails that are going around, particularly evident on these sites. This country is in the worse condition I have ever seen it, ever, and that is why I am voting democratic bc of the destruction of our country at the hands of this lovely republican party. Look up Hallibutron and Cheney for God's sakes. Look at the corruption of this administration. IAnd the republicans know it so they forward around this propaganda, thats all they have. I'd vote for anyone that wasn't a republican at this point bc at least we'll have that party in office. The Democratic party usually helps out the working class, thats the issue as Obama states he wants to, which was the point I was making in the other post, that you too out of context. We'll end up like Marie Antoinette with Let them Eat Cake. Even Suzie Ormon says it. Gosh almighty, what do you have to do, just look at this country, look at whats going on, its insane. Thats why I'm voting for a Democrat.

 

[Master Mason]

I'M NOT EVEN IN A UNION. Get your facts straight when you twist and misquote me and take what I said out of context. I was responding to what you said. Republican party generally does NOT back unions. Thats a fact. And I made the point that most Unions support the Democrat running and that there is a reason for that. They help the unions and the middle class. I made the point I wish I was in a union like my husband and others, as my company totally bleeps me every chance they get and I'm at their whim. I'm democratic for many many reasons including the MAIN fact that this administration has completely and totally DESTROYED this country.

You really should learn the difference between FACT and opinion, what you just stated here is your opinion, it most certanly is not a FACT.

I'm also for rights for ALL PEOPLE. Union issue is one point only. I become so shocked how so many vote from what they hear on Hannity and O'Reilly and the propaganda e-mails that are going around, particularly evident on these sites.

And I am continually shocked that so many union members will vote on only what their Union tells them as well.

This country is in the worse condition I have ever seen it, ever, and that is why I am voting democratic bc of the destruction of our country at the hands of this lovely republican party.

So you missed the Carter Years then? The Viet Nam years?

Look up Hallibutron and Cheney for God's sakes. Look at the corruption of this administration.

Cites please, if your going to toss out accusations of curruption, please come with facts instead of opinions. If there were curruption that was provable, don't you think that the Democratic Congress would already be all over it? Since their not, your just tossing your opinion out there and it means absolutely nothing in reality.

I'd vote for anyone that wasn't a republican at this point bc at least we'll have that party in office. The Democratic party usually helps out the working class, thats the issue as Obama states he wants to.

Well at least your partially right here, the Dems like to talk about how they want to help out the working class, but please show me what they have actually done to do so.

We'll end up like Marie Antoinette with Let them Eat Cake. Even Suzie Ormon says it. Gosh almighty, what do you have to do, just look at this country, look at whats going on, its insane. Thats why I'm voting for a Democrat.

Oh well if Suzie Ormon said it, then it must be true. This coming from someone that just blasted people for listening to an entertainment personality about politics.

 

[PatsMom]

I'M NOT EVEN IN A UNION. Get your facts straight when you twist and take what I said out of context. I was responding to what you said. Republican party generally does NOT back unions. Thats a fact. And since you say otherwise, where are your facts? I vote from personal experience and never have I done anything bc someone else told me to, ever. And I made the point that most Unions support the Democrat running and that there is a reason for that. I made the point my company totally bleeps me every chance they get and I'm at their whim. I'm democratic for many many reasons including the MAIN fact that this administration has completely and totally DESTROYED this country. I'm also for rights for all people. I am also totally and completely against this war. You give me one good reason to vote for a republican. I become so shocked how so many vote from what they hear on Hannity and O'Reilly and the propaganda e-mails that are going around, particularly evident on these sites. This country is in the worse condition I have ever seen it, ever, and that is why I am voting democratic bc of the destruction of our country at the hands of this lovely republican party. Look up Hallibutron and Cheney for God's sakes. Look at the corruption of this administration. I'd vote for anyone that wasn't a republican at this point bc at least we'll have that party in office. The Democratic party usually helps out the working class, thats the issue as Obama states he wants to. We'll end up like Marie Antoinette with Let them Eat Cake. Even Suzie Ormon says it. Gosh almighty, what do you have to do, just look at this country, look at whats going on, its insane. Thats why I'm voting for a Democrat.

Just as an afterhought because I can't resist - Marie Antoinette never said "Let them eat cake". Just another example of political mudslinging from over 100 years ago.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Just as an afterhought because I can't resist - Marie Antoinette never said "Let them eat cake". Just another example of political mudslinging from over 100 years ago.

Whether or not isn't even relevant. The point remains the same. The facts were that people finally revolted against the corruption and the loss of their working middle class people. You want a revolution in this country? Bc its getting that bad. And just for the record, I know whether or not she said that has never actually been proven, its to make a very serious point. Thats why we have record voting this year. There is a reason.

 

[DawnCt1]

I agree on you 100% here. What really scares me the most is that he may actually end up winning. I hope McCain picks a good VP because that is his only true hope unless American's wise up to Obama.

I think Obama thinks its a "done deal". Note this reference to the seat that he actually holds;


“I’m surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured. I wasn’t saying anything I hadn’t said before, that I didn’t say a year ago or when I was a United States senator,” said Obama, who is still a senator from Illinois. (“Obama ‘puzzled’ by Iraq comment frenzy,” Reuters, July 5, 2008)

And then there is this;

Obama Campaign Confirms That They Are Already Planning The Presidential Transition. "With less than six months to go before he would be sworn in as the nation’s 44th president, Sen. Barack Obama has directed his aides to begin planning for the transition. 'Barack is well aware of the complexity and the organizational challenge involved in the transition process and he has tasked s [sic] small group to begin thinking through the process,' a senior campaign adviser said. 'Barack has made his expectations clear about what he wants from such a process, how he wants it to move forward, and the establishment and execution of his timeline is proceeding apace.' … A campaign spokesperson confirmed that transition planning had begun but would provide no further details. An adviser said that the campaign wants to keep the process as low profile as possible in order to minimize distractions." (Marc Ambinder, "Obama Team Begins Work On Presidential Transition," Atlantic, 7/24/08)

And then there is this;

Carrie Budoff Brown reports from the flight from Amman to Tel Aviv:

Obama aides were reminded by reporters – for the second time today – that he isn’t in the White House yet, and therefore they can’t invoke White House rules and traditions.

An unpaid foreign policy adviser [who] worked for Clinton) [sic] told reporters that he never, in his four years in the White House, had [to] go on the record for a briefing. Several reporters retorted that they weren’t in the White House.

 

[Master Mason]

I am sure McCain has someone working on a transition plan as well, those things don't pop up over night and Nov to Jan is not that much time to get that type of stuff done. I have been planning for well over a year for the time I am going to be leading my lodge in 09, and that is hardly the scale of what the evenutual winner will be facing.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

As far as the what the Democrats have done for the middle class, whenever they're in office, I live better, how about that for facts. When Clinton who wasn't perfect, was in office, I lived a better life. I went on more vacations, I NEVER worried about money. As far as candidates throwing out empty promises, I agree they do, but I have to put the trust somewhere. What is the republican party going to do for me, name one single solitary thing, they haven't even promised me anything. McCain doesn't even think there is a problem. Oh I know, put the gays back in the closet, like I said I'm for rights for all people. Also here in NY a large utility company was going on strike a couple weeks back and our Democratic Senator Paterson stepped in to help the union and avoid the strike, hows that for what Democrats do for me. They ended negotiating a good contract, and I know about this personally. My FIL is voting for McCain bc he thinks Obama is a terrorist and the possible Anti-Christ and I'm not joking. I get no McCain propaganda e-mails at all, maybe its possible others are, but this is from personal experience, not like the ones about Obama.

 

[Master Mason]

As far as the what the Democrats have done for the middle class, whenever they're in office, I live better, how about that for facts. When Clinton who wasn't perfect, was in office, I lived a better life. I went on more vacations, I NEVER worried about money. As far as candidates throwing out empty promises, I agree they do, but I have to put the trust somewhere. What is the republican party going to do for me, name one single solitary thing, they haven't even promised me anything. McCain doesn't even think there is a problem. Oh I know, put the gays back in the closet, like I said I'm for rights for all people. Also here in NY Con Ed was going on strike a couple weeks back and our Democratic Senator Paterson stepped in to help the union and avoid the strike, hows that for what Democrats do for me. They ended negotiating a good contract, and I know about this personally. My FIL is voting for McCain bc he thinks Obama is a terrorist and the possible Anti-Christ and I'm not joking. I get no McCain propaganda e-mails at all, maybe its possible others are, but this is from personal experience, not like the ones about Obama.

Last I checked, you only had Democratic Senators in NY, so the chances of a Republican wading into a NY issue in that manner is non existent.

And again, do you remember the Carter years? I sure do, when my working class UNION father, and my working class UNION mother worried every month about how they were going to pay their mortagage, how they were going to put food on our table and cloth their kids.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Another thing my FIL sent me recently, just a couple days ago, was that if we vote for Obama we're going to lose the English language back to Ebonics and ghetto slang. Seriously. My hairdresser, a beautiful women, leaned down to me doing my hair last week and told me she is voting for McCain only bc she's afraid that her son is going to college and she was afraid he would be taught by gay professors in college, who are going to teach him some kind of crazy subversive ideas or something else, I don't know, I didn't get it. I almost fell out of my chair. Little does she know my mother's cousin, who is also my godfather, is a professor in a college and is gay and I've never heard him utter anything subversive. Its like we've gone mad.

 

[Master Mason]

Another thing my FIL sent me recently, just a couple days ago, was that if we vote for Obama we're going to lose the English language back to Ebonics and ghetto slang. Seriously. My hairdresser, a beautiful women, leaned down to me doing my hair last week and told me she is voting for McCain only bc she's afraid that her son is going to college and she was afraid he would be taught by gay professors in college, who are going to teach him some kind of crazy subversive ideas or something else, I don't know, I didn't get it. I almost fell out of my chair. Little does she know my mother's cousin, who is also my godfather, is a professor in a college and is gay and I've never heard him utter anything subversive. Its like we've gone mad.

This I can actually agree with you, and it is happening on both sides.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Last I checked, you only had Democratic Senators in NY, so the chances of a Republican wading into a NY issue in that manner is non existent.

And again, do you remember the Carter years? I sure do, when my working class UNION father, and my working class UNION mother worried every month about how they were going to pay their mortagage, how they were going to put food on our table and cloth their kids.

Thats true we have a Democratic Senator but he did NOT have to step in and intervene. Which he did. My father liked Carter, thought he was a good person.

 

[Master Mason]

Thats true we have a Democratic Senator but he did NOT have to step in and intervene. Which he did. My father liked Carter, thought he was a good person.

It would have been political suicide for him not to have stepped in, that's what they do, if your senator had been republican, you would have seen him there as well.

I too believe Carter was a good person, he was just a terrible President. As did 59% of the voters and 44 states including NY, when they voted him out of office. And IMO worse than our current one.