Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

loco4dis

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There have been a lot of Obama posts on here lately, and they really get heated. I thought I'd start a thread for people who won't vote for Obama — not because we dislike him, as many of his supporters suggest (how in the world can you dislike someone you don't know?) — but because his potential presidency scares the heck out of us.

Here's why I'm scared of Obama:

1) He has no leadership experience at all. He has never run anything, never been responsible for anything. I think of the bosses I've had with zero (or very little) leadership experience, and it was always a disaster. Leader of the free world takes some leadership skills, and he just doesn't have any at all. I've never heard a word from anyone he's ever worked for about him, and I'm sorry, but work as a "community organizer" is just plain phony. If you got a resume for an important, high-level job with that listed as the applicant's chief "work" experience, you'd throw it in the garbage and have a good laugh. Even when he worked a short time as an attorney, I've heard not one word ever about a case he handled, a case he won, etc. And as to his being a "law professor," he's never written a single scholarly article about the law. That is unheard of in academe. Even as an Illinois State Senator he voted "present" on bill after bill, meaning he had no commitment to it one way or the other. And his time in the U.S. Senate (under 200 days) was simply too brief to be considered as any kind of meaningful experience. He simply has no track record as an employee of any kind, so his potential presidency scares me.

2) Susan Estrich — a staunch Democrat and former campaign chief of the Dukakis presidential run — reminded us today that only 8 years ago Barack Obama's credit card was denied when he tried rent a car at the Democratic National Convention. Here's the link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/arrogance_wont_win_the_electio.html
Now, 8 years ago Barack Obama was a father and nearly 40 years old, yet his own financial house was in such disarray that his credit cards were being denied. That suggests to me a man who had not yet reached full adulthood in his late 30s. We need a president who has been a full-fledged adult for at least a decade or so. Again, leader of the free world is an important job.

3) I know his supporters will go insane when I say this, but Sen. Obama is deeply conflicted about whether or not he loves his country. Please don't tell me that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." I — and many others — believe that recognizing and embracing the profound greatness that is the American experiment is the highest form of patriotism. Is it a perfect country? Of course not, but name one better. Sen. Obama can speak very eloquently about America's faults, but he has very little to say about her virtues. He went to Germany and apologized for his own nation, for God's sake. To Germany! If anyone owes the world an apology, well…you get it. I was struck, watching Obama with French President Sarkozy yesterday how easy and genuine it was for Sarkozy to gush about American freedom and liberty, and how I've never heard similar sentiments expressed from Sen. Obama. It's old news, I know, but he sat in a church for 20 years while anti-American venom was spewed from the pulpit, and it didn't bother him. It bothered Oprah Winfrey, by the way, who resigned her membership in that church years ago, but it didn't bother Sen. Obama. I believe it didn't bother him because he agrees that this is an evil nation, and he is wrong. I don't want to vote for someone who wants to "fix" an evil nation; I want to vote for someone who wants to lead a great one.

4) Sen. Obama has close friendships with people who — when they disagreed with their government during the Vietnam War — committed acts of domestic terrorism with the group Weather Underground. Link here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
This friendship is more than casual — as Obama insists — but even if it were casual, how many terrorists do you have as casual friends? Again, I am astonished that Sen. Obama wasn't repelled by these peoples' violent past, but I think he wasn't because he believes what they did was acceptable. Again, this reinforces #3 above. Some of our greatest Democratic presidents would have been repelled by these awful people — Kennedy, Roosevelt — but not Obama. He is so conflicted about his own nation that he can't recognize the inherent evil in domestic terrorists. He's either terribly immature, lacks the judgment of an adult, or sees my country so radically different than I do that I simply could never support him to be its leader.

5) Sen. Obama does not believe we are at war with worldwide jihadists who want to destroy the Western world. As a matter of philosophy, he believes we have caused Islamic radicals to hate us, and if we just talk to them and give them some of what they want, they won't ever attack us again. In short, he believes such radicals can be reasoned with. Well, they don't call them radicals for no reason. Radicalism is the opposite of reason. I believe the global jihadists want worldwide dominion and submission of all non-believers — and I believe it because that is what they've said they want. Such aggression must be met with superior firepower and the willingness to destroy that which seeks to destroy you. Sen. Obama is not willing to do that. He has never spoken out against the human rights abuses in the Arab world, only the alleged human rights abuses by the US in fighting this war on terror. Quite simply, he seems to be on the wrong side of this war, so his presidency scares the heck out of me. As the mother of daughters, anyone who would defend a group that subjugates women to chattel will never, ever get my vote.

6) Obama believes that it is appropriate for government to redistribute the nation's wealth through grossly unfair taxation. Such schemes tend to destroy capitalist economies, and since capitalism is the only economy that has ever lifted so many out of poverty (check out data on our "poor" compared to the poor in developing socialist/marxist countries), I anticipate an Obama presidency would do a great deal of damage to our economy — and Wall Street agrees (see link: http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/02/obama_stirs_ill_wind_on_wall_s.html). Moreover, my money is my money. I earned it. I want to keep it. If you want more money, go earn it yourself. An Obama presidency may well destroy the pension funds of countless Americans, making them utterly dependent on government, which is exactly where I'm afraid Sen. Obama would like them.

Okay, there's a few to chew on. So, why are you scared to death of an Obama presidency?
 
I ditto everything that you say plus he can not form an orginal sentence on his own without someone writting it for him.
 
Interesting points but honestly, I could never more scared than I have been the past 7 years. :scared1:
 
I am right there with you on # 1,2,5, & 6
#3 I disagree with and #4 I don't know enough about to form an opinion
 

All excellent points. When Obama praised the "international community" for the Berlin Airlift, which was Harry Truman's decision ALONE; I wondered why, he couldn't give a fellow democrat, Harry Truman, credit for such a brave, presidential like decision. Then it occurred to me; Truman order the dropping of the bombs that ended WWII with the Japanese. Truman will be " a name left unsaid" by the Obama camp. Besides, how can anyone, who grows up in the USA, let alone HAWAII, think that there was a BOMB dropped on Pearl Harbor????!!! He doesn't have a grasp of history, let alone geography.
 
I agree with every word that you said. :thumbsup2 I seriously fear that Obama will do massive damage to our country. I would like to think that if he is elected, he won't be able to accomplish too much of his misguided agenda during his 4-year term (I assume that the rest of the American public will "wake up" by then and not elect him into a second term), but with a Congress led by Democrats, he might be able to. :scared1:

Will we be able to recover after his four years of damage? I fear we won't. I'm afraid that my children won't be able to live in the America that I've always been so proud of. :sad1:
 
#1, #3-6 None of those scare me, and in fact I agree with the Senator on most of the points that scare you. #2 gets its own response based on my personal experience.

#2- As a frequent traveler, I'm well aware that credit cards get declined for reasons other than over limit/non payment. Citi, Chase, and B of A are notorious for this (Citi and Chase more so), flagging legitimate transactions as fraudulent because of new location/shopping pattern. If the majority of his transactions in 2000 were in Chicago, it wouldn't surprise me to see that a transaction in LA declined.

In fact, the only thing that honestly scares me about an Obama presidency are the potential division in the US that will come out in his first 100 days. However, this really isn't different from a few years ago, and to a lesser extent today. Also, I am a bit scared that he won't be able to fix the damage from the Bush administration while keeping his goals in line, but that's what second terms are for ;) I suppose I could also be scared about airfare and hotel room prices in Washington when I fly up for the inauguration, but I'm willing to pay them.
 
Ditto. Scared on all points. Also his targeting college kids for votes. Some might say "Smart Move" but how many of you had MUCH different ideals when you were in college than when you got out in the real world and started to pay taxes, have children, etc.? I still think we should raise the voting age to 22.

I too worry about his voting record. I perused his recent voting records for the past few months of the Senate. Voting consistently against farmers, owners of small businesses, and middle income families? Voting against family budget programs that will help stay employers from severe income tax hikes? And people think our economy is CRAP now. Just wait until you bring home a paycheck after Obama gets in office. There will be nothing left. But the folks who haven't worked, or simply refuse, will be doing just fine. I am for helping the needy and underprivileged, but I should be able to state when and how I can afford it. And I really don't feel like my kids should suffer if I work my tail off all week, and some bill passes to allow my pay to be "spread around." Sorry, this isn't old Mother Russia or Cuba.

I am in the Oil and Gas business. I think that we need to drill more within our borders to help with supply and demand, I feel if we are going to use this much we need to produce our fair share of the load. This will also help with the price at the pump. The more there is of something on the open market the less valuable it becomes. Simple economics. Obama is staunchly against that and wants to keep importing our oil from foreign sources, and guess what we pay through the nose for it, b/c OPEC sits around and figures out how much we will pay until we squeal. Also we are dealing with Russia again who just started up a missile defense fund. Wonder where they got that dough? Oh yeah we pay them a BILLION a week for oil. So let's just keep doing it the way we're doing it, it's got us this far right?


There is no way I am for Socialized Medicine. Not going to argue with the government on whether I need a surgery and when I can have it. I do that often enough with my bank account. And yes, I am one of the uninsured. But, the cons far outweigh the pros. Our Government can't even manage themselves, and now we want to put them in charge of our HEALTH. No thanks.
 
I'm scared of people who are scared of Obama but allowed an incompetent moron run our country for from 2000 to 2008....:surfweb:

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
 
I'm scared of people who are scared of Obama but allowed an incompetent moron run our country for from 2000 to 2008....:surfweb:

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.


So, the OP stated detailed reasons why she opposes an Obama presidency based on his platform and ideals and you poo-poo her post? Niiiiiiiiiiice.
 
All excellent points. When Obama praised the "international community" for the Berlin Airlift, which was Harry Truman's decision ALONE; I wondered why, he couldn't give a fellow democrat, Harry Truman, credit for such a brave, presidential like decision. Then it occurred to me; Truman order the dropping of the bombs that ended WWII with the Japanese. Truman will be " a name left unsaid" by the Obama camp. Besides, how can anyone, who grows up in the USA, let alone HAWAII, think that there was a BOMB dropped on Pearl Harbor????!!! He doesn't have a grasp of history, let alone geography.

Two words that he DID NOT say at that speech say it all for me. He talked about winning the cold war, he talked about reunification. He mentioned JFK speaking there before him, he talked about standing up to the USSR.

Not once did he mention say Ronald Reagan. You would think that even when he talked about tearing down walls of racisim, etc. he would have at least paraphrased RR's famous words to Mr Grobachev.

Nope. Couldnt do that.
 
So, the OP stated detailed reasons why she opposes an Obama presidency based on his platform and ideals and you poo-poo her post? Niiiiiiiiiiice.

Almost as Niiiiiiiice as the zillions of posts about Obama that are constantly on this board. I don't care about detailed reasons for fear, I think fear is an unnecessary emotion. It automatically deafens me. Tell me more about Niiiiiiiiiice. :laughing:
 
:thumbsup2 I'm with you on all points except #2. There are lots of reasons a card might be denied. I wouldn't hold that against him . Now if it happened multiple times and he had a house in foreclosure, then that would be a red flag.
 
Almost as Niiiiiiiice as the zillions of posts about Obama that are constantly on this board. I don't care about detailed reasons for fear, I think fear is an unnecessary emotion. It automatically deafens me. Tell me more about Niiiiiiiiiice. :laughing:

Alrighty then. :rolleyes: Most people find fear to be a useful emotion. It alerts you to dangers that you sometimes can avoid or prevent.
 
Early on I had given some thought to Obama being a viable candidate for president, especially when the Republicans wavered on what I considered good prospects. After many months of observations and taking a closer look at the candidates I can only come to one conclusion. This is just my opinion, and as such I don't feel I need to refer to documented sources (the OP has done that quite well). So, in my opinion, Obama is an idiot!

For the posters who will surely come back with the usual "Bush is an idiot" reply, I don't believe that for a minute. Perhaps the truth may lie in Obama getting elected so you will have a defining comparison. Yup... very scary, indeed.
 
I agree totally with the original poster. Say what you will about Bush, but there hasn't been another terrorist attack since 9/11. But that we can say the same after 1/09 of Obama is elected. I'm not thrilled with McCain due to his liberal immigration policy among other things, but I am far more confident in his ability to go toe to toe with our enemies. Call it fear if you want, but people, we were at war 9/11 not when we went into Iraq.
 
I'm scared of people who are scared of Obama but allowed an incompetent moron run our country for from 2000 to 2008....:su

Bush had his hands full from the start.Had to deal with 9/11 only a few months after he took office.Look what the mess that clown got us in for 8 years, b4 Bush took office.Clinton never did crap, but sit back in his chair in the oval office and enjoy himself :rotfl2: But thats what happens when a clown runs the country.Most Democrats would vote for Daffy Duck if he ran for office.IMO I dont think either will do a good job!
 
Two words that he DID NOT say at that speech say it all for me. He talked about winning the cold war, he talked about reunification. He mentioned JFK speaking there before him, he talked about standing up to the USSR.

Not once did he mention say Ronald Reagan. You would think that even when he talked about tearing down walls of racisim, etc. he would have at least paraphrased RR's famous words to Mr Grobachev.

Nope. Couldnt do that.

I heard the movie on the plane was Bedtime for Bonzo.
 
I'm scared of people who are scared of Obama but allowed an incompetent moron run our country for from 2000 to 2008....:su

Bush had his hands full from the start.Had to deal with 9/11 only a few months after he took office.Look what the mess that clown got us in for 8 years, b4 Bush took office.Clinton never did crap, but sit back in his chair in the oval office and enjoy himself :rotfl2: But thats what happens when a clown runs the country.Most Democrats would vote for Daffy Duck if he ran for office.IMO I dont think either will do a good job!


Whether I agree or disagree with the OP, this thread was staying fairly respectable, even with differing opinions. I think this post just took the thread down to the gutter.
 
Whether I agree or disagree with the OP, this thread was staying fairly respectable, even with differing opinions. I think this post just took the thread down to the gutter.

Well I'm impressed that none of the usual suspects have piped in with their favorite comeback of, "What you're really afraid of is a scary black man being elected as POTUS."
 





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