Who pays dues on this fiasco!?

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I want BLT points!

Contract on Fidelity for 283 points at $133/pt (seems reasonable)

Oct 2018 - 313 : 30 banked(2017 not my problem?) 283 borrowed (these go away Oct 1 2019? I can't use them)
Oct 2019 - 34 : 34 banked (when the heck do these expire? Oct 1 2020?)
Oct 2020 - 283

Would I be out of line to offer with seller pays 2019 dues?
 
It sounds like a mess of a contract. Someone didn't know what they were doing.

There are many points in the 2018 UY which if you put in an offer today and you possibly closed by May you could have a slight chance of renting them out for possible summer travel. But you could borrow from 2020 to book a trip before 9/30/2020.

You can certainly put in that offer, they can accept or counter offer. If they insist on you paying MF for the mess of 2018 points i would walk away. That is a lot of money for possibly nothing. If you only have to pay MF on the 34 points in 2019 UY then i would go for it.

Worst case all those 2018 points go to waste but at least you didn't pay for them. Best case you can close in time to possibly rent them out.
 
I wouldn't offer to pay any dues on this contract, way to big a mess to figure out.
 
There are a few things to think about here:
1) You can make any offer you want - pay MF, don't pay MF, reduce price per point, etc. They may or may not take it.
2) Since this contract has a lower utility to you than the near term points would indicate, you might consider making a lower offer. By the time you can close, you would be well within 7 months, and you would probably be renting out points at Saratoga Springs during fall frenzy.
3) However, if someone makes an offer that has a plan for the 2018 points, they may make a higher offer than you. Let them have it.
4) Once you decide what the points are worth to you, you can "present" your offer as a) Yes I'll pay MF for 2019, but my offer is $123 (say) a point. or b) I won't pay MF, but I'll offer $130 a point, (say). It really depends on the seller. If they paid $90 a point many years ago, they may be happy to get $123 per point, but they have a recent memory of writing that check for the MF, so they are emotional about that. OR If they paid $200 per point direct to Disney in a recent transaction, they may balk at lowering the price per point, so you offer no MF.
5) They may also be emotional that they had plans to go to Disney in 2019 (hence the borrowing) and it did not work out. So they really don't want to pay the MF.
6) Think about dollars out of pocket - that should be your guide. That would be price per point + 2019 MF + Closing Costs. Also, when you look at it this way, $1 per point in your offer is only a $283 increase in your total outlay. This is a purchase that will serve you for many years, so once you find the contract that meets your needs, don't sweat about a few dollars per point.
7) The broker may be more inclined to like offers with higher price per point and lower MF, since they are compensated on a percentage of the sales price (not the MF). But this is pretty small dollars - maybe $200 out of a $3500 commision.
8) The MF for this contract would be about $1800. This is $6.40 per point, which is also the discount per point you are asking for if you don't pay MF
9) I would assume that the 34 banked points in Oct 2019 were banked from Oct 2018, so they would expire Sept 30, 2020.
10) The lack of points in 2019 would give me pause. You really don't have points to use until Oct 2020. So either you skip going to Disney in 2019 - or you figure what it would cost to stay in a villa at Bay Lake Tower if you rented points - and that is your lost value from the screwed up situation. Another way to look at it - if you are calculating a break-even point, this contract throws the break-even point back a year and a half. Most people when they make a large purchase like this would want to start enjoying it sooner than that. But if you can get it at the right price (Study the ROFR threads), it might be worth it.
11) Let's say I already had points at BLT, but I knew my family was growing through grandchildren, and I saw the need for a GV or 2 2BRs coming, I might be happy to buy points that I can't use for a couple of years, if I can get a good price. But if I am a new owner, I want to enjoy the points sooner than that.
12) The screwed up points situation might make it less likely that Disney would exercise ROFR. So you might get through ROFR with a lower than normal price.

Good luck! and YMMV
 

I would pass on this contract. You say you cannot use the points and the reality is that the contract should go for far less than the going price per point. The problem is that some unknowing person will offer full boat on this contract. Let it be their problem and not yours. Offer $135 to $140 on that 200 point contract with 200 banked points. At least you will have some points you can use and bank or rent. Plus the other contract you get next to nothing in 2019.
 
Thanks!
I'm not really concerned about 2019 points right now because I have Hawaii 10 days in June and 7 days Xmas at AKV this year already booked.
But 2020 I need to plan a week in June a week early October and a week in Dec for Xmas probably all in 2 bedrooms minimum.

I'll try the 140 offer for the 200 point contract on Monday and see if they tell me to pound salt or not. Maybe I can juggle some things around to make use of those banked 200 points and free up some of my AKV 2019 ones!

Who wants to take a bet that my own contracts end up looking like that 283 point one by the time im done??
 
I want BLT points!

Contract on Fidelity for 283 points at $133/pt (seems reasonable)

Oct 2018 - 313 : 30 banked(2017 not my problem?) 283 borrowed (these go away Oct 1 2019? I can't use them)
Oct 2019 - 34 : 34 banked (when the heck do these expire? Oct 1 2020?)
Oct 2020 - 283

Would I be out of line to offer with seller pays 2019 dues?
The standard accepted practice (but by no means gospel) is that the buyer pays the dues for the points they are getting in the UY that matches the calendar year. Simply put, it's 2019, so by following the standard you would reimburse maintenance fees on the 34 points you would be getting in October of this year.

That said, everything is negotiable but I would agree with the approach of avoiding this contract unless you were able to get a crazy discount that reflects the mess of a situation it is in. Good luck!
 
This contract highlights the lack of parity between buyers in an “open” market when one of those buyers is Disney (by way of ROFR).

As others have pointed out, the inability to use the points beyond their banked/borrowed years devalues those points to you as an end user, but if you put in an offer that adjusts for that devaluation, it falls below prevailing market prices and Disney buys it up.

Then comes the kick in the nuts...

pixiedust:

All points are back where they should be.

Contract went from being a mess to being loaded. Disney Magic!
 
I bought a 100 point BLT contract last year (in the middle of the 2017 use year) that was very similar:

2017- 23 points (in holding)
2018- 12 points (8 2017 points)
2019- 100 points

I couldn’t even begin to process how they got into this debacle. I was relatively new to the buying resale contracts so I didn’t even think to ask about dues. Luckily, it never came up, I only ending up paying for the points. They covered closing costs and never said anything about reimbursement for dues (understandably).
 
I want BLT points!

Contract on Fidelity for 283 points at $133/pt (seems reasonable)

Oct 2018 - 313 : 30 banked(2017 not my problem?) 283 borrowed (these go away Oct 1 2019? I can't use them)
Oct 2019 - 34 : 34 banked (when the heck do these expire? Oct 1 2020?)
Oct 2020 - 283

Would I be out of line to offer with seller pays 2019 dues?

You should absolutely ask the seller to pay 2019 dues. They messed up those points.

As soon as your contract closes you can list the 18/19 points with one of the rental brokers - you might have to discount them but you should get something for them.
 
We were looking at a 80 points OKW contract recently.It had 26 points from 2018 borrowed from 2019 ,50 points in 2019 with 25 points borrowed from 2018 ,and the full 80 points coming in 2020.The listing clearly said that buyer pays 25 points owed on the dues in 2019.We negotiated a price and signed the contract.The broker gets back to us the next day and tells us that the seller did not realize that they were responsible for the 26 points borrowed in from 2018 and wanted us to pay it or renegotiate the price.We walked knowing theres another contract out there.
 



















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