Which president?

[JARNJ3]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";28351373]but we are not talking about Bush and repeating the last 8 years....we are talking about repeating the Carter years...[/QUOTE]

Yes, I playfully pointed to the fact that Barack Obama would certainly not repeat the most recent history of the last president - who I believe like you - will go down as the worse president - yes, worse than President Carter........

And while McCain may not be a carbon copy of Bush - he has indicated that he wants to continue some of the same Bush policies (history repeating itself) - which I cannot support.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi Robin - long time no speak!

Just as you believe McCain is not the same as Bush - many of us believe that Obama is no Jimmy Carter.

Though I'd like to add a disclaimer that President Carter has been a more effective ex-President than President. He has contributed a lot to world peace and has been a innovative force in eliminating homelessness.

hi always nice to see ya...I agree He has been a much better ex POTUS....same as Nixon had........but remembering how he changed after 3 months in the seat still stands clear in my mind.

I think he would have been better as a man of the cloth.....he was very religious.

 

[bicker]

There's a lot of young voters out there. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.

You mean like this one?

 

[bicker]

[quote="Got Disney";28351373]but we are not talking about Bush and repeating the last 8 years....we are talking about repeating the Carter years...[/quote]We're talking about both. Neither candidate offers any advantage in this regard. They both suck. Both parties suck. Both will screw up the economy. Neither will screw it up any less than the other. Both have tax policies that will hurt many people. Clearly McCain is favoring more affluent people more, and Obama is favoring less affluent people more -- your own financial situation and your own morality will dictate which you prefer. But that's all just money. If money is all your care about -- if money is all you think is of value in your life -- then that's perhaps all you need to consider. However, many people believe that there are other considerations that are much more important, such as personal freedom and civil liberties. Also, people should see a very clear difference between how each man will approach the rest of the world, and judge the ramifiations of each approach: McCain with his "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran": strength instead of peace; versus Obama with his willingness to have American rejoin the community of nations and pursue strength with peace.

 

[3jsmommy]

We're talking about both. Neither candidate offers any advantage in this regard. They both suck. Both parties suck. Both will screw up the economy. Neither will screw it up any less than the other. Both have tax policies that will hurt many people. Clearly McCain is favoring more affluent people more, and Obama is favoring less affluent people more -- your own financial situation and your own morality will dictate which you prefer. But that's all just money. If money is all your care about -- if money is all you think is of value in your life -- then that's perhaps all you need to consider. However, many people believe that there are other considerations that are much more important, such as personal freedom and civil liberties. Also, people should see a very clear difference between how each man will approach the rest of the world, and judge the ramifiations of each approach: McCain with his "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran": strength instead of peace; versus Obama with his willingness to have American rejoin the community of nations and pursue strength with peace.

Which is exactly why I am voting for Obama.
I could pay less taxes under McCain if he follows his plan.
The money that I would supposedly save under McCain is not going to buy my children a more peaceful world, a more tolerant nation, or more civil liberties.
I want more for my children & it's not one more day in Disney or a bigger TV.
Had to add, I don't think they both suck.

 

[DancingBear]

That's funny, all this talk about history and Jimmy Carter's election, you'd think the subject of Watergate would come up.

 

[ravencotygrandma]

4 years Jimmy Carter-no pay increase for military-no advancement in rank. Reduce spending for the military. Barney Frank is already talking about reducing the military spending.--Sounds like Carter era all over again.
Why does the military always has to take the hit.
Sandy

 

[gottaluvPluto]

4 years Jimmy Carter-no pay increase for military-no advancement in rank. Reduce spending for the military. Barney Frank is already talking about reducing the military spending.--Sounds like Carter era all over again.
Why does the military always has to take the hit.
Sandy

Because we are now going to talk to the terrorist and we won't need the military. You see, we only have to talk to them and it will all stop.

The military taking the hit, scares me.

 

[mickeysgal]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";28351356]knowing your history of Carter and living through a Presidency of Carter is to different things....
just like 30 years from know and living through a Bush Presidency will be different for the younger ones that have read about it and not lived through it....the experience is different....[/QUOTE]

Isn't that the truth!

When I considered it a bargain, yes, a bargain to get a mortgage rate of 11.0% after paying a point. My step mother's was 13%. Wonder how supportive the OS will be when faced with these kind of rates.

Gas rationing...

Double digit inflation and double digit unemployment.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[shortbun]

How old were you in 1976?

I was 24 and I'm thankful that we had President Carter for a leader. He is a great man, still great today. His accomplishments post presidency are stunning compared to the nothing done by many - Reagan(we all know he was very sick in his presidency) who's biggest accomplishment was the beginning of the economic tanking we're experiencing today and GHWBush41 who has done little but lick his wounds. Of course, there was Nixon...nevermind about him and um, when WAS the last Republican president who could make us all proud of his accomplishments? Gerry Ford? He was a real nice guy!

 

[shortbun]

4 years Jimmy Carter-no pay increase for military-no advancement in rank. Reduce spending for the military. Barney Frank is already talking about reducing the military spending.--Sounds like Carter era all over again.
Why does the military always has to take the hit.
Sandy

The military-ala Iraq HAS to 'take a hit.' We've been playing 'big boy' war games and paying for them for far too long. This country needs to cut expenses severely and you would have us do what? Live like they're living in Iraq but have a HUGE defense budget? Our next President will be mentally healthy so will not need to show himself by playing Napoleon. That era is over, thank God.

 

[mickeysgal]

I was 24 and I'm thankful that we had President Carter for a leader. He is a great man, still great today. His accomplishments post presidency are stunning compared to the nothing done by many - Reagan(we all know he was very sick in his presidency) who's biggest accomplishment was the beginning of the economic tanking we're experiencing today and GHWBush41 who has done little but lick his wounds. Of course, there was Nixon...nevermind about him and um, when WAS the last Republican president who could make us all proud of his accomplishments? Gerry Ford? He was a real nice guy!

Did you own a house then? Pay any bills? You were thankful for double digit mortgage, inflation, and unemployement rates?

Carter drove this country into a ditch while he was president.

 

[Buckalew11]

Because we are now going to talk to the terrorist and we won't need the military. You see, we only have to talk to them and it will all stop.

The military taking the hit, scares me.

Me too.
I want peace and security. Not peace at any cost.

 

[Buckalew11]

Did you own a house then? Pay any bills? You were thankful for double digit mortgage, inflation, and unemployement rates?

Carter drove this country into a ditch while he was president.

In '76 I was 11 and I do remember having a CD and earning 18% interest on that CD and thought that was great. However, my newlywed sister used to talk about never being able to afford a house with interest rates up the way they were.

 

[bicker]

That's funny, all this talk about history and Jimmy Carter's election, you'd think the subject of Watergate would come up.

I suppose Obama supporters simply don't need to rely on lame ancient references, which have no real relevance to these specific candidates. GWB is relevant to the Republicans -- he's the sitting President. Bill Clinton is somewhat relevant to the Democrats. Go back before that, to George HW Bush, and you've gone into Fantasyland. The Republican Party has changed radically since then, so it would be foolish for Obama supporters to go back that far to make points... just like it is foolish for folks to go back to Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, etc., to make points about what candidates of the corresponding political parties will or won't do, or how successful candidates of the corresponding political parties will or won't be.

4 years Jimmy Carter-no pay increase for military-no advancement in rank. Reduce spending for the military.

Contrast that with Obama's plan to increase the size of the Army and the Marine Corps.

 

[Chuck S]

Since you seem to be comparing Obama to Carter, I think it is only fair to compare McCain to Hoover. Both pro-business Republicans and for economic reformers. Hoover was for national prohibition, Palin, as VP, supports a constitutonal amendment to ban same sex marriage, both attempts to legislate morality.

We know what an ecomonic disaster Hoover's administration turned out to be. Would a McCain/Palin administration be similar?

Personally, I see little point in drawing conclusions from similarities in previous administrations, but the OP of this thread seems to put stock in it. So I would not want a repeat of the Hoover Depression.

 

[Goofycampers]

I was 24 and I'm thankful that we had President Carter for a leader. He is a great man, still great today. His accomplishments post presidency are stunning compared to the nothing done by many - Reagan(we all know he was very sick in his presidency) who's biggest accomplishment was the beginning of the economic tanking we're experiencing today and GHWBush41 who has done little but lick his wounds. Of course, there was Nixon...nevermind about him and um, when WAS the last Republican president who could make us all proud of his accomplishments? Gerry Ford? He was a real nice guy!

If you were 24 when Carter was President, then you know better than what you just said. Inflation and unemployment were in the double digits, and let's not forget those gas lines! Regan brought us the longest peace time growth ever, not to mention what he did to end the cold war. Carter was a nice man, but a bad president.

 

[bicker]

Carter was a nice man, but a bad president.

... and utterly irrelevant to this election.

 

[What the Heck]

... and utterly irrelevant to this election.

Just as irrelevant at WWI was to WWII.

Obama is presenting the same plans that Jimmy Carter presented. Obama is running his campaign the exact same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to cut middle taxes the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to increase taxes on the rich the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to increase spending the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to talk about energy without coming up with a workable plan the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to cut military spending the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to cut out military projects the same way Jimmy Carter did. He wants to put on the same kind of front in foreign affairs that Jimmy Carter did.

Yep, I can see how you think it isn't relevant.

 

[bicker]

Just as irrelevant at WWI was to WWII.

Uh, no. Much much much more irrelevant. You're mistaken.

Obama is presenting the same plans that Jimmy Carter presented.

No he's not. Your litany of assertions are distortions and fabrications.