When will we be set free?

[dclpluto]

We all know there is going to be a second wave. They had to shut the economy down because the hospitals were getting too full and they were running out of supplies. We need the hospitals to get stocked up again if possible than we can open the economy back up. Maybe some things will have to stay shutdown cruises, things like theme parks, movie theaters, schools. You can always wear a mask to protect yourself. When the economy opens back up. Just because things are opened doesn’t mean you have to go back to your normal business.

 

[mjkacmom]

There is no order that you can’t go out for a walk or this or that anywhere. And even the mask orders aren’t enforceable. They can say to wear them.... but In the end. You can’t actually be made to. Now. I’m all for people doing what they want as to wearing them. Free country. There may be some wear them all summer and that’s fine. I support that. I choose not to. But we all have different feelings as to our own safety.
As for the National Gaurd. For that to happen would be Martial Law. And I can assure you that will never happen.
Yes the military is being used for humanitarian efforts and medical. . But once that line is crossed and they actually arrested someone simply walking down the street. Look out. Time to call in the A team. Lol

Stores aren‘t letting people in without masks, as per the governor’s order. Yes, folks are allowed to walk in the streets and some parks, but people are pissed about it.

 

[gwynne]

The curve is flattening in many areas. It is on the news worth watching and reading. Other news does not want to report the positive news.

Curve is beginning to flatten in SOME areas.
The peak dates are yet to come in many states.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

 

[Searc]

Where do you get the idea we are on a downswing?

Guess.

 

[Disneypro1]

Where do you get the idea we are on a downswing?

Any news source. Even in nyc. New Hospitalisation is way down. In the West it’s been way down. Things are definitely on the down swing. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of hospitals that are near empty due to no elective surgery.

 

[L&Lfan]

Stores aren‘t letting people in without masks, as per the governor’s order. Yes, folks are allowed to walk in the streets and some parks, but people are pissed about it.

I just witnessed a man without a mask being asked to leave a NJ Wawa. He was cooperative. Police physically removed a man without a mask from a Philadelphia bus, He was pissed. That was on local news. I bet there’ll be a lawsuit.

 

[Lynne M]

The thing to remember about masks - for the general public, not the N95s used by healthcare workers - is that wearing a mask isn't about protecting you. It's about protecting other people FROM you. Because you can be feeling perfectly fine and be highly infectious and breathing virus particles all over people you come into contact with.

That's why governments are asking/requiring the use of masks. It's something you do for your community, not for yourself.

 

[Disneypro1]

Stores aren‘t letting people in without masks, as per the governor’s order. Yes, folks are allowed to walk in the streets and some parks, but people are pissed about it.

That’s private property. That’s different. They can make you wear a mask. Well, some attorneys would argue they can’t. That will all end up in the courts. I was taking about outside and such. Not on someone or companies private property.

 

[Colleen27]

I don't think there's a one size fits all. The logical response (and I am by no means saying this is what I think will happen, because logic really isn't ruling the day right now) would be a local response, by metro area for urban parts of the country and by county or multi-county region in more rural places, based on the local curve and medical capacity. We really shouldn't have statewide lockdowns covering places where hospitals are a record-low occupancy, as we have in parts of my state and probably many others. We also shouldn't be relaxing restrictions in areas where the medical system is already straining, even if the curve starts to decline, until some of the existing patient load either recovers or dies.

In my state, I don't think the current level of restrictions will actually survive the month. There are already small businesses saying they'll ignore the order and local communities declining to use their police departments to enforce it. The latest order went too far in many people's minds, crossing over from reasonable steps to keep everyone safe to draconian (to borrow a word from another thread) and arbitrary. Either is it going to be revised, and there are two major petitions being circulated by trade/lobbying organizations to call for changes, or it will simply collapse under the limits of enforcement capability.

Where do you get the idea we are on a downswing?

The data shows many states are. The number of new cases is growing nationwide, but if you look at state-by-state data some are past peak. Michigan is one of them - new daily cases have been falling for days now.

Curve is beginning to flatten in SOME areas.
The peak dates are yet to come in many states.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

That model is... not well connected to reality. Or rather, it is very accurate in hindsight but not so much as a predictive tool. The actual case and death stats have consistently come in under the projections by a significant margin, and the zero-death predictions defy all medical thought. Per that site, my state will not have any more COVID19 deaths after this month.

 

[Disneypro1]

I just witnessed a man without a mask being asked to leave a NJ Wawa. He was cooperative. Police physically removed a man without a mask from a Philadelphia bus, He was pissed. That was on local news. I bet there’ll be a lawsuit.

That will be interesting. One attorney will say since it’s private they CAN require you to wear a mask. Another would say they can’t. But you are right. The lawsuits will be a many.

 

[Brett Wyman]

I voted 6/1... but I’m keeping my mask .

Thats what I voted as well. It a solid guess and one that makes pretty good sense. The majority of the US will be mostly done with the current wave by May1st. If we give it another month of social isolation I feel like we can ease much more safely back into the public in June. If they release us May1st it will be bad bad news.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Where do you get the idea we are on a downswing?

Most states are still on the upswing - rural states that just don't understand science are behind the curve.

 

[b2k1121]

I think by June 1st things are going to have to at least start re-opening. Every day that this goes on is sinking our country further.

It's easy to just keep saying this doom and gloom stuff, but what's the solution? Just open everything up? How is that going to help the economy? It's not a simple choice.

MOST (not everyone) people are just fine right now. Many are still working either at their physical location or from home, those that have been laid off are likely to start being paid more than they were while working. This idea of people revolting over protecting our most at risk citizens because the weather is going to be nice soon is childish, selfish behavior.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I am in rural NJ. Our local pub just lost its liquor license. Owner kept opening the bar and the police got tired of arresting her. Some people just think they are special.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Every day that this goes on brings our country closer to recovery.

FIFY

 

[kdonnel]

Where do you get the idea we are on a downswing?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Some parts of the country have hit the projected peak and are on the downward side.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

The curve is flattening in many areas. It is on the news worth watching and reading. Other news does not want to report the positive news.

And those falling for dangerous propaganda continue

 

[rlk]

NYC schools usually get out the end of June and they are out until September.

New York Gov. Cuomo overrode the mayor's decision to close schools for the rest of the year. No decision has been made yet.

 

[Kittyblue]

Last I heard my state isn't supposed to peak until May or June, so I doubt we'll be back to business as usual by May. Schools are out for the rest of the school year and I wouldn't be surprised if summer school was canceled. My guess is starting in June things will slowly start to reopen, but I think recreational businesses like movie theaters and kids play places will stay closed or limit crowds. I don't think it'll be business as usual for quite a while. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

https://covid19.healthdata.org/
Some parts of the country have hit the projected peak and are on the downward side.

And most haven’t while others have hardly started. I get wanting things back to normal but it can’t be rushed.