Whats Wrong with Disney?

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Agreed. But I do have an issue about "restrooms being dirty." Why is it Disney's responsibility to clean up after ADULT human beings like that?!? In other words, why ARE the bathrooms dirty in the first place? I would never just toss my paper towel on the floor or leave my bathroom stall looking like it should belong in a women's prison. Why do people do that?! If there is a trash problem, the guests are to blame...not the CMs. And in public, people are piggies!
So now Disney doesn't have to clean the restrooms? Perhaps you should suggest they leave "self service" cleaning supplies in the bathrooms. Could save them some money. They shouldn't have to pick up trash at the Magic Kingdom either...people should pick up after themselves. It's amazing what you're willing to overlook when it comes to Disney.

Frankly, if I show up for the premier of an 8:00pm movie on a Saturday night at 7:55, I really shouldn't complain that there is a long line for tickets, or less than optimal seating in the theater, etc... If I leave for work at 6:30am rather than 6:00am, I really can't complain about the line of cars on the expressway. Lines are everywhere and it seems that in life we have learned to either deal with them or learn techniques to work around them. Yet people show up to WDW...the most popular theme park in the world by far... and expect to walk on every ride? I think expectations are unreasonably high for Disney World.
Actually expectations are pretty low for them at this point. If they build something better than a Dumbo clone or a kiddie coaster, it will probably make a bunch of people happy.
 
I went to universal solely for Harry potter. Which was awesome.
Spiderman was cool too. But other then that I can go to six flags.
I love Disney for the theming and the feel. I will go to universal to see new Harry potter park cause I love the movies. But that's it. So expensive for a one day pass.
I went to Animal Kingdom solely for Expedition Everest which was awesome (except for the Yeti).
Dinosaur was cool too. But other than that, I can go to the local zoo.
I love Universal for the theming and the feel. I will go to Disney to see the new Avatar land because I liked the movie, but that's it. So expensive for a one day pass.
 
I went to Animal Kingdom solely for Expedition Everest which was awesome (except for the Yeti).
Dinosaur was cool too. But other than that, I can go to the local zoo.
I love Universal for the theming and the feel. I will go to Disney to see the new Avatar land because I liked the movie, but that's it. So expensive for a one day pass.
I like it! :rotfl:

You point out so well how these opinions are just that...opinions. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
Gadzooks! Disney has to clean the restrooms BECAUSE people are pigs. And because I expect a clean restroom.
 

Which brings us back to the point if they had dropped 1.5 billion on attractions at the parks the new 3 or 4 attractions in each park would distract us while EE was being fixed.:rotfl:;)

But they are building new attractions. Problem is it won't matter what they build to some people. New Fantasyland was built while MM+ was rolling out. And VGF. But people (on here) don't like NFL because it took too long, doesn't have a thrill ride (in a land aimed at 3 year olds...) and Little Mermaid is just a cheap copy, and BoG's food sucks and is overpriced (and impossible to get a reservation for.)

Avatarland is being developed. But not fast enough. And it shouldn't even BE Avatarland, it should be Star Wars instead, or Beastly kingdom, or Lord of the Rings, or Cedar Point.

Star Wars land will mostly likely be built in HS. And when it is done, I wonder what people will have to complain about... probably not enough DVC hotels to suit their needs. Seriously.


Where is this "I hope Disney fails" crowd...other than your imagination? I'm not aware of anyone who things that every Universal gain gleefully means a Disney defeat. You're just making stuff up as you go along. I think the VAST majority are voicing their complaints because they do want and expect more from Disney. I have annual passes to Disney, Universal and Seaword. My Disney pass was about $500...more than double the Universal pass and about 10X what I paid for the SeaWorld one. I think I should be able to expect a little more from them and believe me, I do not want them to fail at anything because that just means less for me to enjoy.


You probably haven't seen any of these comments and ironically, if you did, they pretty much contract your own viewpoint because none of these "quotes" you have here reflect the view of someone who wants Disney to fail...they reflect views of someone who expects more.


Look, I don't mean to be patronizing...I really don't. I hate when people do this, honestly. And you might have just gotten a new name and have been a long-time member for all I know. But I've been, for better or worse, reading these boards for four years. Hardly a lot compared to some. But I have been involved in nearly every "What's Wrong with Disney"-type thread that comes up. Those contradictions are there. The point is that NOTHING is going to make some people happy when it comes to Disney. If they build something, it isn't good enough. Or fast enough. Then they cry if they don't build anything. They cannot win!

So now Disney doesn't have to clean the restrooms? Perhaps you should suggest they leave "self service" cleaning supplies in the bathrooms. Could save them some money. They shouldn't have to pick up trash at the Magic Kingdom either...people should pick up after themselves. It's amazing what you're willing to overlook when it comes to Disney.


Actually expectations are pretty low for them at this point. If they build something better than a Dumbo clone or a kiddie coaster, it will probably make a bunch of people happy.

Wow...I think you may have missed the point. YES, I think people should pick up their own trash. Are you kidding me right now?! I have seen several families on my last trip just leave their dirty plates on benches rather than walk the two feet to throw them out in the trash can. TWO FEET! I saw another lady not know how to operate the trash can. She could not figure out how to use it and just left her trash on the top.

I'm not saying Disney shouldn't have people cleaning the parks. But to just assume that the onus is completely on CMs when lazy entitled guests just chuck their trash on the ground is beyond ridiculous.

As for the kiddie coasters.... they are the only rides my entire family could do this last trip. We had two 70 year olds (my parents), one of whom is on and off chemo and can barely walk. We had four 30-40 somethings with varying degrees of tolerance for thrills, and three kids under the age of 10, the oldest of whom will ride anything and have no fear. Everyone enjoyed the 7DMT. My Mom can't do anything more thrilling. Everyone enjoyed Haunted Mansion and Pirates, too. So, in that sense...those that wanted more thrills would have cut half of my family out of being able to ride. That isn't what Disney was trying to do in New FantasyLand. Star Wars land will probably do that, at least for me as my tolerance for motion simulators is basically zero.
 
Gadzooks! Disney has to clean the restrooms BECAUSE people are pigs. And because I expect a clean restroom.

And they do. When I was just there, I never went in a single bathroom without seeing a CM mopping or whatever. This includes at the resort, in the parks...everywhere!

But the question was, should people have to clean up after themselves. The answer is yes, dear god...yes.
 
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And they do. When I was just there, I never went in a single bathroom without seeing a CM mopping or whatever. This includes at the resort, in the parks...everywhere!

But the question was, should people have to clean up after themselves. The answer is yes, dear god...yes.


They should...but they often don't...so The onus IS on Disney to maintain an immaculate park at all costs. I've seen my fair share of over flowing trash bins and yucky restrooms.
 
They should...but they often don't...so The onus IS on Disney to maintain an immaculate park at all costs. I've seen my fair share of over flowing trash bins and yucky restrooms.

Overflowing trash bins would be Disney's problem. But I can tell you with 100% certainty that there was a CM in almost all the bathrooms I visited during my most recent stay. And I'm a bit of a drinker, so I pretty much am in every Epcot bathroom I pass. Every time I pass it. What bothered me most was the paper towel on the ground. How hard is it to put your used paper towel in the trash?

Furthermore, I would always wipe the counter with my used paper towel before I threw it out, just to mop up the extra water around the sinks. Took me all of 3 seconds to do and helps make the place a little nicer for the next piglet, er...guest.

If we all did that, voilà...no more mess.
 
But they are building new attractions. Problem is it won't matter what they build to some people. New Fantasyland was built while MM+ was rolling out. And VGF. But people (on here) don't like NFL because it took too long, doesn't have a thrill ride (in a land aimed at 3 year olds...) and Little Mermaid is just a cheap copy, and BoG's food sucks and is overpriced (and impossible to get a reservation for.)

Avatarland is being developed. But not fast enough. And it shouldn't even BE Avatarland, it should be Star Wars instead, or Beastly kingdom, or Lord of the Rings, or Cedar Point.

Star Wars land will mostly likely be built in HS. And when it is done, I wonder what people will have to complain about... probably not enough DVC hotels to suit their needs. Seriously.
You seem to be greatly exaggerating some of these views. I don't think people expected a thrill ride in NFL and for what it's worth, I really enjoy the 7DMT, though given the time to construct it, I think they could have done far more with it. 55 seconds of animatronics in the middle seems a little week. On a more positive note, had it not been for these forums, I would not have realized that the scene at the end was constructed with animatronics from the original Snow White's Scary Adventures attraction. That sort of gave me a new appreciation for what I initially thought was a week ending to the ride.


Look, I don't mean to be patronizing...I really don't. I hate when people do this, honestly. And you might have just gotten a new name and have been a long-time member for all I know. But I've been, for better or worse, reading these boards for four years. Hardly a lot compared to some. But I have been involved in nearly every "What's Wrong with Disney"-type thread that comes up. Those contradictions are there. The point is that NOTHING is going to make some people happy when it comes to Disney. If they build something, it isn't good enough. Or fast enough. Then they cry if they don't build anything. They cannot win!
No new name. Had been on several Disney cruises and after the first of two that I took earlier this year, I discovered these forums. Have been reading the cruise board for a while, but ironically haven't posted over there.

Also, you're wrong...Disney can win....by building something good enough. :)


Wow...I think you may have missed the point. YES, I think people should pick up their own trash. Are you kidding me right now?! I have seen several families on my last trip just leave their dirty plates on benches rather than walk the two feet to throw them out in the trash can. TWO FEET! I saw another lady not know how to operate the trash can. She could not figure out how to use it and just left her trash on the top.

I'm not saying Disney shouldn't have people cleaning the parks. But to just assume that the onus is completely on CMs when lazy entitled guests just chuck their trash on the ground is beyond ridiculous.
The onus IS on the CM's...that's their JOB. Yes, people should be cleaner and pick up after themselves, but that's not reality.

As for the kiddie coasters.... they are the only rides my entire family could do this last trip. We had two 70 year olds (my parents), one of whom is on and off chemo and can barely walk. We had four 30-40 somethings with varying degrees of tolerance for thrills, and three kids under the age of 10, the oldest of whom will ride anything and have no fear. Everyone enjoyed the 7DMT. My Mom can't do anything more thrilling. Everyone enjoyed Haunted Mansion and Pirates, too. So, in that sense...those that wanted more thrills would have cut half of my family out of being able to ride. That isn't what Disney was trying to do in New FantasyLand. Star Wars land will probably do that, at least for me as my tolerance for motion simulators is basically zero.
That's fine....for NFL, but every ride can't be designed for senior citizens in poor health and people who get motion sickness.
 
Yes they do. This was opening day of the Wizarding World in 2010. This was the line GETTING INTO the park.

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Huge crowd in Rome, New York City better watch out
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Uh oh is Golf coming back to become more popular than Baseball/Football/Soccer/Hockey/Basketball....?
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I don't think anyone thinks Potter wont draw people but that doesn't correlate to Disney losing out... We added on 2 days to our trip for HP we didn't cut short our WDW trip.
 
Huge crowd in Rome, New York City better watch out
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Uh oh is Golf coming back to become more popular than Baseball/Football/Soccer/Hockey/Basketball....?
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I don't think anyone thinks Potter wont draw people but that doesn't correlate to Disney losing out... We added on 2 days to our trip for HP we didn't cut short our WDW trip.

Now post a picture of the crowds outside Disney Guest Relations. ;)
 
Something else that hasn't been considered. The Harry Potter generation is in their early 20's right now. I wonder how many of them will be having babies in the coming years and will consider taking them to WWoHP as their OWN rite of passage..... :scratchin

From my friends and people I know:
Wisconsin - I am 29 - Male - Friends are 25-32

The friends with children or kids on the way all talk about Disney with their kids someday, I have never heard them talk about Universal. Oh and another thing they talk about going to six flags even with their kids, lol, only because its in Chicago though which is about 1-2 hours away so its more of a day trip.
 
Close Space Mountain and see if there isn't 30 new threads on this board 2 seconds later....

Each thread with 30 pages of posts from the exact same people on this thread. The same ones who pledged a year ago never to return to WDW unless they stopped ___________ (Fill in blank with whatever grievance they have.)
 
Each thread with 30 pages of posts from the exact same people on this thread. The same ones who pledged a year ago never to return to WDW unless they stopped ___________ (Fill in blank with whatever grievance they have.)

And we won't be back until after Avatar is built. Our money will be spent at Universal when in Orlando. We actually ARE putting our money where our mouths are.:thumbsup2

You don't see a WDW trip ticker in my sig, do you?
 
They did close space not terribly long ago for a refurb. April 2009-November 2009. We lived.
 
And we won't be back until after Avatar is built. Our money will be spent at Universal when in Orlando. We actually ARE putting our money where our mouths are.:thumbsup2

You don't see a WDW trip ticker in my sig, do you?

Nope.

Exactly my point. Why would someone who isn't going to Disney anytime soon spend their time commenting on the hypothetical Space Mountain closure threads?

Or, more realistically, the EMH change threads....
 
Nope.

Exactly my point. Why would someone who isn't going to Disney anytime soon spend their time commenting on the hypothetical Space Mountain closure threads?

Or, more realistically, the EMH change threads....

Because I can?:confused3
 
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