What should be done when people on welfare spend money on vacations?

[mickeyfan2]

Even during the FREE Dining days?????

That is an exception!!!

 

[disneyjunkie]

I'd also like to see evidence that "people on WIC are all out buying DVC!" because I seriously believe that the assertion is bull.

Who said that they were all buying DVC?

I'm referring to one person on the boards who has posted about her trips and the fact that her she's a DVC owner.

I'm not going to post any links, but it wouldn't be hard to find.

I'm not saying everyone on assistance is cheating. I'm also not willing to say that everyone on assistance truly needs the help. (WIC, foodstamps, public housing)

 

[JunieJay]

Most of the people I see on welfare aren't going on any vacations.

I don't know what to make of the person I think we are discussing (the one discussed elsewhere). I'm floored that a person can go on 5 WDW vacations in one year and be on government assistance and be on the Internet talking about how she can stay under the radar and still get her check. That sounds fraudulent and abusive to me but that is only my gut feeling. I have no idea what the story is there and I probably don't want to know.

I do think people on welfare or disability are entitled to the same level of happiness as working people. I also think there are people who just want to do as little as possible and get as much as they can, whether it be from government assistance or by cheating on their taxes. In any population of people you are going to have creeps. I don't think its the norm though. I agree with Joy, who posted at the beginning of this thread. I see a lot of inner city kids on welfare who have never left the inner city for any reason, let alone vacation. I'm pretty sure thats the norm.

 

[MushyMushy]

Who said that they were all buying DVC?

I'm referring to one person on the boards who has posted about her trips and the fact that her she's a DVC owner.

I'm not going to post any links, but it wouldn't be hard to find.

I'm not saying everyone on assistance is cheating. I'm also not willing to say that everyone on assistance truly needs the help. (WIC, foodstamps, public housing)

I'm not sure who or what you're talking about, but yes, if someone can work the system to the point of getting DVC and numerous trips while receiving assistance, then THAT PERSON needs to be scrutinized. Not the whole system. I think that a lot of good, honest people take the brunt of this crap when they're just trying to survive.

 

[minnieandme]

Most of the people I see on welfare aren't going on any vacations.
I don't know what to make of the person I think we are discussing (the one discussed elsewhere). I'm floored that a person can go on 5 WDW vacations in one year and be on government assistance and be on the Internet talking about how she can stay under the radar and still get her check. That sounds fraudulent and abusive to me but that is only my gut feeling. I have no idea what the story is there and I probably don't want to know.

I do think people on welfare or disability are entitled to the same level of happiness as working people. I also think there are people who just want to do as little as possible and get as much as they can, whether it be from government assistance or by cheating on their taxes. In any population of people you are going to have creeps. I don't think its the norm though. I agree with Joy, who posted at the beginning of this thread. I see a lot of inner city kids on welfare who have never left the inner city for any reason, let alone vacation. I'm pretty sure thats the norm.

ITA. I don't see how anyone on welfare can afford a vacation. If there is someone posting that they receive welfare and owns DVC, I wonder if they bought the DVC before getting on welfare and just didn't report it as an asset. Either way, it's fraud. Now you guys are gonna make me do a search to find these posts.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Look for the thead where the person applied for food stamps gets SSI, wants to know how much they can earn and still get their SSI AND owns DVC with 5 trips this year.

I'm not sure who or what you're talking about, but yes, if someone can work the system to the point of getting DVC and numerous trips while receiving assistance, then THAT PERSON needs to be scrutinized. Not the whole system. I think that a lot of good, honest people take the brunt of this crap when they're just trying to survive.

I agree with you 100%.

I don't want to see these programs ended, I just wish something could be done about those who take advantage.

 

[nut4disney]

I'm referring to one person on the boards who has posted about her trips and the fact that her she's a DVC owner.

I'm not going to post any links, but it wouldn't be hard to find.

I'm not saying everyone on assistance is cheating. I'm also not willing to say that everyone on assistance truly needs the help. (WIC, foodstamps, public housing)

But you don't know the details. Does she have a Make A Wish child who has a Medicaid waiver perhaps? Or maybe she's a 9/11 NYC hero who owned DVC beforehand and is now disabled because of the risks she took at the pile? I don't know if you're a Christian or not, but Jesus doesn't let me judge people that way.

I can make a loooooooooooooooong list of people who were comfortable financially before 9/11 and who worked hard at the pile for eons, and are now dying because they can't get medical care for their respiratory illnesses. There's more than a hundred of them you know. If some of them owned DVC before and are now on WIC, I don't give a flying flark.

/lived walking distance to WTC, my whole family worked in the area. Dad is NYPD.

Like I said before, the plural of ancedote is not data. I want to see hard data.

Without hard data, nothing can be rectified, if there even was a problem in the first place.

 

[nut4disney]

I'm not sure who or what you're talking about, but yes, if someone can work the system to the point of getting DVC and numerous trips while receiving assistance, then THAT PERSON needs to be scrutinized. Not the whole system. I think that a lot of good, honest people take the brunt of this crap when they're just trying to survive.

You'll notice that it's the people who yell loudest about the poor are the ones who don't look to closely at corporate fraud or corporate welfare. Funny that.

As the fiscal conservative that I am, I care more about the Enrons taking advantage of the system. Because that's where the serious fraud is.

/being a fiscally conservative libertarian Republican is very lonely these days. Our politics don't jive with Democratic priorities and my own party has gone all fascist-like.

 

[almburr]

What about Gov. Sub. for farmers. Is that welfare. Farmers welfare.

 

[mickeyfan2]

But you don't know the details. Does she have a Make A Wish child who has a Medicaid waiver perhaps? Or maybe she's a 9/11 NYC hero who owned DVC beforehand and is now disabled because of the risks she took at the pile? I don't know if you're a Christian or not, but Jesus doesn't let me judge people that way.

I can make a loooooooooooooooong list of people who were comfortable financially before 9/11 and who worked hard at the pile for eons, and are now dying because they can't get medical care for their respiratory illnesses. There's more than a hundred of them you know. If some of them owned DVC before and are now on WIC, I don't give a flying flark.

/lived walking distance to WTC, my whole family worked in the area. Dad is NYPD.

Like I said before, the plural of ancedote is not data. I want to see hard data.

Without hard data, nothing can be rectified, if there even was a problem in the first place.

I can answer the questions for you WRT the thread.

1) She got in a car accident in 2005. She hit a moose while going 65 MPH. She claims memory loss.

2) She never went to WDW prior to 2006. But has been 2 times in 2006 and will go 5 times in 2007. The next trip is at a 1 bedroom at OKW for 9 nights (how many points is this? ) with ADRs at Chefs de France, Le Cellier etc. Almost 1 high end TS per day.

3) She admits they went far into debt to do these Disney trips.

4) She has a two bedroom apartment and a home with 40 acres. She and the son are at the apartment; the husband and daughter are at the "ranch".

5) She gets SSI and the SSI sends the check to the DH since she cannot handle the math. How she can live on her own is beyond me.

 

[MushyMushy]

What about Gov. Sub. for farmers. Is that welfare. Farmers welfare.

People like the OP just want to pick and choose what is palatable for THEM to be able to decide who is worthy to spend government money how they see fit.

 

[Disney Doll]

You'll notice that it's the people who yell loudest about the poor are the ones who don't look to closely at corporate fraud or corporate welfare. Funny that.

As the fiscal conservative that I am, I care more about the Enrons taking advantage of the system. Because that's where the serious fraud is.

/being a fiscally conservative libertarian Republican is very lonely these days. Our politics don't jive with Democratic priorities and my own party has gone all fascist-like.

You know what...I don't care whether you are filthy rich or dirt poor.

If you're beating the system and doing something illegal, I want you to stop and be punished.

Here's what I want from everyone...I want you to work for what you have, like I do. I don't want you to expect a handout because you think working at McDonald's is "beneath you". I don't want you to screw the little guy & do something dishonest to make a zillion more dollars for yourself. And if you do, I want you punished.

As far as I am concerned, no healthy, able-bodied in this country is entitled to any more or less than what they are willing to work for.

I do not think welfare should be someone's life-long paycheck. I think it should be used to assist healthy, able-bodied people thorugh periods of difficulty while they get back on their feet financially. And the periods of difficulty should not last 30 years.

 

[Tybug]

Hard, written data probably does not exist. But what does exist is personal experience.

I have a client that books a Disney vacation with me every year. We're not talking All Stars here. We're talking the Poly, the Contemp, etc. Full week long vacations including the DDP and not the free one either!

They are great people and I know them on a personal level as well. Now, they are married... living in the same house with 2 kids. Both basically self employed and make great money. They own 2 houses in a resort area and both drive new, expensive cars. They are season pass holders for a local well known amusement park. Here's how they skirt the system:

They are legally seperated(on purpose, for this very reason! Even though they live together). They apply for child care programs funded through the local Y. Because they are legally seperated, they only have to show one income. What would cost you and I at least $100 per week per child(if not more) runs them about $10.00 per week. They have state supported health insurance for both of the kids and fully paid, free dental. These are just 2 ways(that I know of) they work the "system". It doesn't always have to be just WIC, SSI, food stamps, etc. They are choosing to spend their money on vacations and other luxuries and not on their children's health care or child care.

These are the things I "know" about. I am but one person in a sea of many. I live in a very small town and I can name at least three. How many can others name?

On the flip side of that coin... my MIL is disabled, has been for at least the last 20 years. She receives $600.00 per month in SSDI. This money has to pay for everything. Rent, gas, insurance, food, medicine, clothing, utilities, etc. She receives $15.00 per month in food stamps. Yes, that reads $15.00!!!! Instead of trying to "work" the system to suit our needs... we purchased the house she is living in. It's actually a duplex. The state pays us a whopping $220.00 per month for her rent. We rent the other side for $500.00 per month. Want to guess what the mortgage is? Add in the insurance and taxes... Let's just say it's a lot more than that. Sure I get a little bit of a tax break for the loss every year, but not nearly enough to begin to cover what her housing costs me.

If you think those out there on assistance are all in "need", you are greatly mistaken. Should it piss off those of us who are busting our rumps to be responsible... heck yeah it should and it does.

I'm not saying there aren't those out there in need, as I've given you an example that is close to home. What I am saying is that those that are "working" the system need to be outed and dealt with. Then there would be more funds to be distributed to those who really need it.

Of course I have no solution to the problem but goodness knows I wish I did!!

 

[JunieJay]

You know what...I don't care whether you are filthy rich or dirt poor.

If you're beating the system and doing something illegal, I want you to stop and be punished.

Here's what I want from everyone...I want you to work for what you have, like I do. I don't want you to expect a handout because you think working at McDonald's is "beneath you". I don't want you to screw the little guy & do something dishonest to make a zillion more dollars for yourself. And if you do, I want you punished.

As far as I am concerned, no healthy, able-bodied in this country is entitled to any more or less than what they are willing to work for.

I do not think welfare should be someone's life-long paycheck. I think it should be used to assist healthy, able-bodied people thorugh periods of difficulty while they get back on their feet financially. And the periods of difficulty should not last 30 years.

How dare you be so un-PC? (and logical! )

 

[nut4disney]

I can answer the questions for you WRT the thread.

1) She got in a car accident in 2005. She hit a moose while going 65 MPH. She claims memory loss.

2) She never went to WDW prior to 2006. But has been 2 times in 2006 and will go 5 times in 2007. The next trip is at a 1 bedroom at OKW for 9 nights (how many points is this? ) with ADRs at Chefs de France, Le Cellier etc. Almost 1 high end TS per day.

3) She admits they went far into debt to do these Disney trips.

4) She has a two bedroom apartment and a home with 40 acres. She and the son are at the apartment; the husband and daughter are at the "ranch".

5) She gets SSI and the SSI sends the check to the DH since she cannot handle the math. How she can live on her own is beyond me.

If these are all true (and I'm still skeptical), then are some factors to consider.

EITHER a) She has a serious, credible, disability that she chooses not to post on the internet, and you don't know about it.

or B) The panel who approved her for disability are morons.

If it's A, it's none of our business.

If it's B, then the system for approving folks for help in her area needs to be brought in line with the rest of the country.

In neither A nor B would "Let's monitor the recipients with more Big Brother intervention" or "demonize the recipient" solve the issue.

 

[cardaway]

Even during the FREE Dining days?????

You know what they say... there is no such thing as a free character meal.

 

[cardaway]

I can make a loooooooooooooooong list of people who were comfortable financially before 9/11 and who worked hard at the pile for eons, and are now dying because they can't get medical care for their respiratory illnesses. There's more than a hundred of them you know. If some of them owned DVC before and are now on WIC, I don't give a flying flark.

I thought plural of ancedote is not data.

 

[I loveStitchnippyjon]

My DD received WIC when her DH was in the Navy. It's a crying shame that the men and women protecting our country don't make a living wage!
And it is laughable to even think that they could have afforded even a value resort trip to WDW, no less a DVC ownership! I'd bet that situation could only exist for 1/10 of 1% of social services recipients, if that!

 

[mickeyfan2]

If these are all true (and I'm still skeptical), then are some factors to consider.

Everything that I posted she has posted. Look it up for yourself it you think I am a liar.

EITHER a) She has a serious, credible, disability that she chooses not to post on the internet, and you don't know about it.

or B) The panel who approved her for disability are morons.

If it's A, it's none of our business.

If it's B, then the system for approving folks for help in her area needs to be brought in line with the rest of the country.

In neither A nor B would "Let's monitor the recipients with more Big Brother intervention" or "demonize the recipient" solve the issue.

You seem to forget that there are mor than A and B. C is she is milking the system and braging about it.

But monitoring the system will fix C.

A person with DVC who cannot feed their family needs to sell the DVC and pay off the debt the DVC got them and use the payment for the DVC loan and DVC upkeep to feed the family.

 

[nut4disney]

I thought plural of ancedote is not data.

Absolutely correct. Here are three who went public. You can google them for more facts if you like.

James Zadroga
Timothy Keller
Felix Hernandez

They're dead now.