What is the "Jean" problem?

[lbgraves]

Mommyofthreeboys, maybe you should edit your first post since people are responding without reading the rest of the thread and it looks like this will continue.

 

[Anal Annie]

Thanks because I didn't mean how it sounded, that's for sure. If the whole thread was read you could see I had added an explanation....

Well, the reason why I would dress better has nothing to do with the ship per se but more about it being our first trip on the "new" ship. I defintely don't think it is a lower class ship. For me, it would be a new experience so I know I would take more pictures. I would probably even buy Shutters expensive pictures so that means I better look nice in those pictures

That's why I said FOR ME thats what I would do. Besides, Fantasy is 7 nighter and tends to be formal anyways.

I'm sorry, but I DID read the whole thread and I'm not looking for a fight. I just don't understand your line of thinking on this. You're still saying that you will dress up more on the Fantasy on your first trip because it is the "new ship" and that because it will do 7 night sailings you think it will "tend to be more formal". Does this mean you will dress up less on your 2nd trip?

And FWIW the Magic and Wonder are also doing 7 night cruises JUST LIKE THE FANTASY will do. So that statement doesn't hold water. I still don't understand why you think the Fantasy should be any dressier or the "older ships" should be any LESS dressy. I'm just not following where that idea came from, that's all. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. I personally don't give a rats behind how old any of the ships are. I think there is such a thing as dressing appropriately regardless of which ship one is on. I don't think "older" = "dress down" and "newer" = "more pictures so I'll look nice". Personally we would strive to dress up on any of them regardless of what year they had their inaurgural sailing.

I suppose we must agree that we disagree on the reasons behind why you plan to dress up more depending on which ship you're on. I have no plans to sail on either of the new ships for now and will gladly continue to dress up on the Magic even tho she's "older".

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

Okay, I wear jeans everywhere. I have many times worn jeans out to a more than casual resturant. Now depending on the occasion and resturant I may wear nicer shoes rather than sneekers, or maybe what I would consider my "nice" sneekers... and a dressier shirt. I also would not wear ripped or "cheep" jeans. This is just my style and IMO I think I look quite presentable and my girlfriend dosent complain so idk what else would be the problem. I guess I didn't realize that dress was such an issue on a disney cruise. Now I wouldn't wear swimware or sandals but why couldnt a man wear nice khaki shorts and a polo? My thoughts on vacation does not involve "dressing up" unless I was going to a fairly nice resturant like the Cali Grill at the contemporary. Would I not be able to wear shorts to dinner? Even wearing jeans while on a CARRIBEAN cruise sounds ridiculous to me...

 

[della0813]

can the kids wear flip flops with their khaki capris
and is there a dress up night on 4 day cruises where men have to wear a jacket and tie?

 

[bamor]

OP

Have dinner with us, you can where whatever you want!!!
It is your vacation, wear what you feel comfortable with. We won't point and stare, I promise

Happy planning

 

[robin19871]

Okay, I wear jeans everywhere. I have many times worn jeans out to a more than casual resturant. Now depending on the occasion and resturant I may wear nicer shoes rather than sneekers, or maybe what I would consider my "nice" sneekers... and a dressier shirt. I also would not wear ripped or "cheep" jeans. This is just my style and IMO I think I look quite presentable and my girlfriend dosent complain so idk what else would be the problem. I guess I didn't realize that dress was such an issue on a disney cruise. Now I wouldn't wear swimware or sandals but why couldnt a man wear nice khaki shorts and a polo? My thoughts on vacation does not involve "dressing up" unless I was going to a fairly nice resturant like the Cali Grill at the contemporary.

I totally agree with you. My son will be wearing a very nice pair of black jeans with a button down shirt to dinner one night.. I also would like him to wear a nice pair of Khaki Shorts with a Polo shirt.(Avoiding this at this point till I see what everyone else is wearing.) I would never allow him to dress in something inappropriate..A nice pair of jeans with a dress shirt can be more "Dressy" than some of the things people wear into my friends 4 star restaurant. A jeans and t shirt would be innapropriate though. ( For an 11 year old, I am just wasting money when I have to buy him slacks that he will never wear again except for this cruise.) ( By the time he would have a chance to wear them again he would outgrow them.) Oh Well..

 

[TinkBell10]

Bottom line...it doesn't matter what anybody thinks about jeans. It's not against any of DCL's dress code policies, so if you want to wear them, wear them! Plus, there have been a lot of questions about shoes...no official policy on those either. Don't forget...the only time people will even see what you've worn to dinner is when you walk in and when you walk out. The rest of the time you are sitting at the table with a table cloth covering you. You could be naked from the waist down for anyone knows.

 

[DannyDisneyFreak]

You could be naked from the waist down for anyone knows.

Now that sound like a vacation...

 

[KSDisneyDad]

On the 3/17 Dream we were sitting watching some March Madness in 687 and in walked a couple who looked very annoyed. The male half asked if there was anyway to order food in the bar, because he was told he could not enter Palo wearing jeans, and he did not have any other pants. The answer was no, but they could get bar munchies from the hall or room service in their room. The female half later stormed out of the bar looking furious at her mate. So, they are sticking to the policy on the Dream for Palo. Anyone else notice the Remy dress code says no sandals? I thought that was a little odd for women.

Not sure why they were upset as the policy is listed when they made their reservation. Perhaps they assumed that it would be enforced the same way the policy is enforced in the MDRs.

On our last visit to Palo, a couple arrived just before us for dinner. They guy was wearing an extremely wrinkled "dress" shirt with rolled up sleeves along with baggy cargo pants. Technically, he was following the dress code but to several in our party, it seemed like the guy was simply following form over substance. I think he'd had looked nicer in a pair of nice jeans and a pressed shirt.

However, I didn't care about what he wore as I never saw him again that night, but I was with a group of 7 and one of the men in our group complained as he was wearing dress slacks, a sport coat and a tie and thought everyone else should do the same.

Okay, I wear jeans everywhere. I have many times worn jeans out to a more than casual resturant. Now depending on the occasion and resturant I may wear nicer shoes rather than sneekers, or maybe what I would consider my "nice" sneekers... and a dressier shirt. I also would not wear ripped or "cheep" jeans. This is just my style and IMO I think I look quite presentable and my girlfriend dosent complain so idk what else would be the problem. I guess I didn't realize that dress was such an issue on a disney cruise. Now I wouldn't wear swimware or sandals but why couldnt a man wear nice khaki shorts and a polo? My thoughts on vacation does not involve "dressing up" unless I was going to a fairly nice resturant like the Cali Grill at the contemporary. Would I not be able to wear shorts to dinner? Even wearing jeans while on a CARRIBEAN cruise sounds ridiculous to me...

DCL's dress code for the MDR's doesn't exclude jeans, but shorts are requested not to be worn.

As you can see from this and many many other threads, Disney does not enforce any dress policy or code in the MDRs. So, you can wear shorts and no one will say anything to you. Your family just has to feel comfortable not abiding by the requested dress requirements as stated in writing by Disney. Some familes are fine with this and others are not. I do think by putting it in writing, that most families do dress nicer than they would otherwise dress even if they don't strictly follow the written requirements.

As an FYI, I have posted links to the "What Should I Wear to Dinner" FAQ from DCL's website:

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/faqs/onboard-dining/dining-attire/

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/royal-palace/

Onboard DiningQuestion
What should I wear to dinner?
Answer
Dining Dress requirements vary by venue or theme night on your cruise. In general, most meals are "Cruise Casual"—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops. Most cruises also have special theme nights with additional attire requirements. Here's a breakdown of these events by cruise itinerary.

On 3-night cruises:

One cruise casual night—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops
One pirate or tropical night (deck party)
One "dress-up night"—jacket for men, dress or pantsuit for women
On 4-night cruises:

First night: cruise casual—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops
One pirate or tropical night (deck party)
One "dress-up night"—jacket for men, dress or pantsuit for women
Final night: cruise casual—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops
On 7-night cruises:

First night: cruise casual—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops
Three additional "cruise casual" nights—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops
One pirate or tropical night (deck party)
One formal and one semi-formal night—formal wear for men: tuxedo or suit; for women: gown or dress; semi-formal wear for men: suit/jacket; for women: dress or pantsuit.

Dress for dinner at Palo on all cruises:

Men: dress shirt or jacket, no shorts
Women: dress or pantsuit

Although Palo doesn't mention no jeans here, I found the "no jeans" link on the Palo page itself:

Dress Code
At dinner, a dress shirt or jacket is required to be worn for men and a dress or pantsuit is required to be worn by women. No jeans allowed. At brunch, attire is cruise casual, meaning no shorts, jeans, swimwear or tank tops.

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/palo/

I found it interesting that "cruise casual" is defined differently for Palo than at the MDRs in that they added the word "jeans" to the list of excluded attire for Palo.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Bottom line...it doesn't matter what anybody thinks about jeans. It's not against any of DCL's dress code policies, so if you want to wear them, wear them! Plus, there have been a lot of questions about shoes...no official policy on those either. Don't forget...the only time people will even see what you've worn to dinner is when you walk in and when you walk out. The rest of the time you are sitting at the table with a table cloth covering you. You could be naked from the waist down for anyone knows.

As has been said many times on this thread, you are correct in that jeans are not against any dress policies (but only with respect to the MDRs). Jeans are against the dress code policy for Palo or Remy, even for the Palo brunch, and such policy is strictly enforced.

FYI: there is a shoe policy at Remy. Not sure if it's enforced or not though. I assume that it is though.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

can the kids wear flip flops with their khaki capris
and is there a dress up night on 4 day cruises where men have to wear a jacket and tie?

On our four-night cruise last year, there was a "dress up" night and a "dress up optional" night. However, the "dress-up" for most men simply meant a dress shirt with slacks. A few did wear a sport coat or a suit, but not many. I don't recall seeing anyone in formal wear, but I'm sure there might have been a few.

I have heard, though, that on the current 4-night cruises, that they have stopped doing dress-up nights altogether. Can someone else who has been recently confirm this?

 

[bcanderson78]

I was on the 1/30 Dream sailing (a 4 night sailing) and there were no dress-up nights. We did dress up a little for Royal Palace just because but nothing was ever listed as a recommendation.

 

[DundasDad]

We just got off the Magic on the weekend - did the 7 day Western.

My wife made sure I had dress pants / khakis and collared shirts to wear at dinner every night, plus I packed a suit jacket and a couple of ties.

The majority of folks were dressed the same, we didn't see a lot of people wearing jeans (maybe 20% tops?) although we were amazed by the lady who thought an old pair of sweatpants and a t-shirt were appropriate for dinner. Maybe at Topsiders, but not at any of the sit-down restaurants.

We ate at Palo for brunch, and I dutifully wore a tie (would've wore my jacket if we did dinner). Litte l did they know I wore my lucky leopard skin thong underneath!

 

[makaylee]

double post

 

[makaylee]

You have cruised DCL a few times....wear what you did the other times....nothing has changed. There is no new dress code just because the classic ships are older and there are newer ships.

MJ

Sorry MJ, I was being sacastic I would never wear jeans to dinner, unless it's pirate night.

 

[Mmketeer]

Just a question, how strong are people's feelings about jeans and walking shoes? If possible, I would like for my daughter (15) to be able to go to dinner in jeans and walking shoes, because she has cerebral palsy and the shoes help keep her tendons from shrinking--they're prescription shoes. I'm planning to have her wear nice shoes for the formal night and semi-formal night, but doing it every night would be kind of hard on her. Is this going to be a big issue for people? I don't want her hassled because of it.

I'm planning to have her wear polo shirts, with a nice sweater if it's needed.

Ya know their comes a point when you just have to not care what everyone else thinks. Back before they even starting saying the first night on the Disney ship is "casual" my brother-n-law wore his Levis to dinner and he would wear them every night. We only did short cruise's, but this Southern'er would even wear them with a button down shirt and tie. That was just how he dressed. We never had reservations at Palo or anything, but he was never turned away from the dining room and when I would question him about it and show him the Navigator. He would just smile at me and say it's my cruise darling and this is how I dress and I don't care what everyone else thinks. To this day other than a suit and or a tux, I have never seen the man wear anything else- not even shorts and I live in Florida and he is down here alot with us.

 

[Mmketeer]

Bottom line...it doesn't matter what anybody thinks about jeans. It's not against any of DCL's dress code policies, so if you want to wear them, wear them! Plus, there have been a lot of questions about shoes...no official policy on those either. Don't forget...the only time people will even see what you've worn to dinner is when you walk in and when you walk out. The rest of the time you are sitting at the table with a table cloth covering you. You could be naked from the waist down for anyone knows.

Agreed TinkBell.

 

[MrsScooby]

I'm sorry, but I DID read the whole thread and I'm not looking for a fight. I just don't understand your line of thinking on this. You're still saying that you will dress up more on the Fantasy on your first trip because it is the "new ship" and that because it will do 7 night sailings you think it will "tend to be more formal". Does this mean you will dress up less on your 2nd trip?

And FWIW the Magic and Wonder are also doing 7 night cruises JUST LIKE THE FANTASY will do. So that statement doesn't hold water. I still don't understand why you think the Fantasy should be any dressier or the "older ships" should be any LESS dressy. I'm just not following where that idea came from, that's all. That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. I personally don't give a rats behind how old any of the ships are. I think there is such a thing as dressing appropriately regardless of which ship one is on. I don't think "older" = "dress down" and "newer" = "more pictures so I'll look nice". Personally we would strive to dress up on any of them regardless of what year they had their inaurgural sailing.

I suppose we must agree that we disagree on the reasons behind why you plan to dress up more depending on which ship you're on. I have no plans to sail on either of the new ships for now and will gladly continue to dress up on the Magic even tho she's "older".

WOW
I really don't think there is anything wrong with what she posted
She is excited about cruising on a new ship and wants more pictures and wants to look nicer in those pics.
Her reasons don't have to meet with anyone's approval.

Sounds like you are angry at the people who are "jumping ship" from the Magic to the Dream

Let's adhere to the board guidelines and keep our posts diplomatic.

 

[Sleepyluke]

Well as a Magic traveler and one who has no plans to visit the Dream, maybe the Fantasy, depending on itenirary, I think that the Dream seems to be quickly becoming more of the casual ship along with the Wonder.

Now follow me here, there have been thousands of theories why the Wonder became more casual, but can we agree for now that it is? The Magic maintained a more formal schedule with the formal nights. It stayed with the no jeans longer (best i remember) and at least in talking to other folks, seems to have maintained the original suggested dress for a higher percentage of the passengers. DCl set out to design ships that bring back the glory of a cruise, including atmosphere and the "it" factor. If at all possible, I think that they need to maintain that strategy with at least one ship.

Our last cruise, we had table mates that wore blue jeans and t shirts about every night. Great people, very nice, we did stuff together outside of dinners, but there really did seem to be an atmosphere difference from cruises past. Now don't even go to the elitist whatever, in fact furthest thing from it, but it really was different. And it was not just them, there were more than I remembered from before. (my best friend got married in blue jeans and tux tops and wore khakis on a cruise with us and it did not kill him)

It seems that the Dream has quickly become a cruise industry chasing ship very quickly with what appears to be a large portion of cruisers in the "my vacation, I'll do what I want category".

Why do we continue to try to adjust what is there to serve us as individuals. We (my wife and I) chose DCL because of Disney first, but very closely followed by the atmosphere. Dollar for dollar you are usually looking closer to the mid to high end cruises rather than the carnivals, and some of them will not let jeans on the boat. I agree that some jeans are very nice and people wear them everywhere. I have actually bought my wife jeans that cost more than a couple of my pair of khakis. OK, my soap box rant is over, but am I way off base here or do I just need to do my part to continue the atmosphere that they are TRYING to maintain, or do I just need to do whatever I want and wear my leopard thong on the outside of my shorts?!?! Sorry for the rambling, but it does confuse me as much as irritating alot of you......

 

[stamot]

Bottom line...it doesn't matter what anybody thinks about jeans. It's not against any of DCL's dress code policies, so if you want to wear them, wear them! Plus, there have been a lot of questions about shoes...no official policy on those either. Don't forget...the only time people will even see what you've worn to dinner is when you walk in and when you walk out. The rest of the time you are sitting at the table with a table cloth covering you. You could be naked from the waist down for anyone knows.

You are so right. But I dont think my husband will let me go naked to dinner

Okay, I wear jeans everywhere. I have many times worn jeans out to a more than casual resturant. Now depending on the occasion and resturant I may wear nicer shoes rather than sneekers, or maybe what I would consider my "nice" sneekers... and a dressier shirt. I also would not wear ripped or "cheep" jeans. This is just my style and IMO I think I look quite presentable and my girlfriend dosent complain so idk what else would be the problem. I guess I didn't realize that dress was such an issue on a disney cruise. Now I wouldn't wear swimware or sandals but why couldnt a man wear nice khaki shorts and a polo? My thoughts on vacation does not involve "dressing up" unless I was going to a fairly nice resturant like the Cali Grill at the contemporary. Would I not be able to wear shorts to dinner? Even wearing jeans while on a CARRIBEAN cruise sounds ridiculous to me...

I also wear Jeans, nice jeans. I know how to dress a nice pair of jean. Dressing up is something I don't like because I have to do it every day for work. I come from Puerto Rico (you know, is an island in the CARIBBEAN) and everybody wears mostly jeans.

OP

Have dinner with us, you can where whatever you want!!!
It is your vacation, wear what you feel comfortable with. We won't point and stare, I promise

Happy planning

Bamor I think I need to be added to your table.



Thanks everyone for you opinions and information. Now Im thinking. Some of you are right that jeans are very heavy and take a lot of space on the suitcase. I think I can show my husband all the comments and have an excuse to buy new clothes