Yes, to me the issue is value vs. budget. No 7 day Disney trip ever costs less than a few thousand bucks and some much more. If you have a family of 5, it may be hard for some people to justify. When we do it, if we can truly ride the 3 attractions several times with no wish, that has value.
We will be going on the morning they have the eventIt's a way to generate additional money. I would doubt (but I could be wrong) if many on this board would partake in this plan............but then its not for us
As long as EMH are still available as they are today............I see no harm.........well unless my plans were previously determined. I could see it being bad for those folks...........but then again I don't know how big this will be
Doug
We have a pre park reservation at BOG but plan to go to Frontierland when we are done eating. I wish I knew the number of tickets Disney has sold for the event so we have an idea how crowded it is going to be. I'm anxious to see how it goes for the ones coming up this month.
Nice work!I couldn't help myself. No, I didn't make a reservation.I ran some numbers.
Assumptions
Optimal Results
- Want to get all guests to Fantasyland by 7:45 with a 7:30 checkin start; 5 minute walk to FL; 4 guests per party; 60 seconds per party to check in
- Ride Capacity as previously stated by other posters -- 1400/hour for 7DMT and 700/hour each for PPF and Pooh
- Guests want to ride 7DMT twice and PPF and Pooh once each during the exclusive window (7:45-9:00) with relatively short waits; they must be in the queue for their final exclusive ride by 9:00, but not necessarily through the queue and ride; guests don't do anything but walk to, wait for, and ride these attractions
- 3 minutes for each guest to get through the line; 10 guests in a line at any time actually gathering food (everyone beyond that waiting to get to the food)
- Expect little to no wait for buffet line once all guests have gone through the first time (it is billed as AYCTE, so people will expect to be able to make a return trip without making family members wait for a long time)
- Disney wants a profit margin on incremental revenue in excess of just an additional PPO breakfast, for which they would be happy with a $35 average charge (so the incremental revenue for the exclusive ride aspect is $30); it takes 5-6 CMs to operate each attraction; benefits loaded average hourly labor rate is $20; the event is held 75 times per year
Conclusions
- No more than 450 guests would be able to achieve the above goal if they were queued up for their final of four rides right at 9:00
- Longest wait for each ride would be 10-15 minutes
- It would take 10 CM's to get 450 guests checked and back to FL by 7:45 (these CMs are deployed to attractions after checkin)
- It would take 6 buffet lines to keep the longest wait below 25 minutes and therefore allow for return trips through the buffet for all guests with minimal wait
- The last guest off an exclusive ride through an attraction will arrive at the buffet around 9:20, have a short wait to get food, and be able to make a return trip through the buffet before it gets closed and actually enjoy their meal time
- Disney makes about $1.0 million per year in incremental pre-tax income relative to adding a PPO breakfast
I've mentioned before that we have a PPO BOG on 5/17 when they will have EMM. We also have a PPO BOG on another day without EMM (5/22), so I'll try to be observant on both mornings and see if there is much of a difference so I can report back.
- Optimal results suggest a maximum of 450 guests per event
- The choke points in addition to ride queues are checkin and buffet lines
- To ensure smooth operation, the capacity would have to be more limited
- To work out kinks in the process and to ensure a favorable initial guest experience on which to build (this event and other new events like it), the capacity will probably be more limited yet -- they don't want a bunch of people talking about what a waste of time and money it was, least of all right out of the box
- I also don't believe Disney wants or expects this event to have a significant negative impact on the experience of other guests
- My guess (which I fully admit is a guess) is that it will initially be limited to 250 guests, or about 50-60 families, which doesn't seem any more than any other PPO breakfast, and most guests who participate will be eating the first hour after rope drop
- I expect on that basis there will already be a 10-15 minute standby wait for these attractions at rope drop
While my math was based on a different set of assumptions (just using a 50% generous profit margin on the expected revenue) I come up with the same annual profit generated from this event as you - just around $1 million (assuming 75 events per year). Why??? $1 million is a drop in the bucket for Disney! Makes me think they won't cap this that low, if they do keep it up. I agree with whomever said that Disney may purposefully keep the cap low to start, generate good buzz from the early adopters, and try and find that magic cap number that maximizes profit before allowing too many people whereby it affects the experience. I just can't see how they allow 1,000+ people in to start - the queues just could not handle that many people.
Totally forgot to. I was looking at Facebook, Twitter and here looking for live info.
Thanks for linking them. When I looked earlier, their wrote-ups weren't done yet.
I guess it depends on when you get up.
