What do you do with people that cut in line to meet up with group?

[minnie mum]

This thread is on a spiral downward. from line cutting, to screaming children. It sounds like everyone can use a drink.

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This one's on me- One for the house! ENTITLEMENT!

 

[Rip]

Got it. If you read enough of those threads you probably saw what people do when they block. Nobody wants to initiate violence, so they just stand there, doing nothing. Is it passive aggressive, yep but not violence. If cuter does not get a hint and pushes himself, he initiating violence and he was the one to initiate the whole thing to begin with, so I blame him.
Rejoining by definition is cutting but most of us do not have a problem with that at all. Yes if someone left and rejoined my waiting time will not change and nobody is looking for the opportunity to gain this extra minute or two. Joining is a different thing however, although problem is that you don't always know if they join or rejoin. Therefore some people will just block everyone and some like me and you will not.

But that's been my point all along, you don't know and it's not worth worrying over. As to blocking, etc., I've explained many times that in almost every line there are places that I can get around you unless you physically stop me with a hip-check or an elbow drop or something. If I don't touch you while you're trying to block me, and in your attempt to plug the hole you make contact with me, you've initiated violence.

I know there are people on here that brag on blocking everyone, but the simple truth is you can't, they can go around you. If nothing else, they can duck under the railing and avoid you altogether.

I just remembered, I did that once on my honeymoon. We were in line for the Ariel show at MGM. There was a group adjacent to us (and ahead of us in line). As the pre-show room was filling a parade was starting and the guy at the head of that group flat out refused to go. His entire group was telling him to but he said "shut up, they can wait, I want to see part of the parade". My wife and I ducked under the railing started walking in (there was not a single person between that group and the open door). Yes, we cut, and no, I do not think on any planet in the multiverse that we did anything "wrong". As a matter of fact, some guy that was behind us grabbed my arm as I walked past him (he was adjacent to me, behind where I had previously been in line) and said "you can't do that!". I calmly told him to remove his hand before I did. He snatched his hand away and I said "enjoy the show - if you make it in".

That guy is what many of the posters on here remind me of.

 

[Rip]

I don't understand why some of you feel entitled to gain from another person's unintended emergency.

 

[rdearth]

So are we going to repeat same thing again and again, I got it, there was no show yet, so what, I think I explained to you already my position and looks like you annoyed others enough to clap and be relieved when you finally left, take a hint.

Did you ask CM, you did not. How do you know he would not help. And if not, well sometimes because of kids we change our plans, nothing new. Better then annoying everyone till they start clapping.

And ugly caused by cuter, not the one who says something. You do not seem to understand who causing the problem. Example, if child bullied at school and says nothing it is cool, right, but if he stands for himself, there will be ugly, whose fault it is? Just think about it.

I can't figure out if you just can't read or you're just trying to argue for argument's sake.

What is your definition of "finally?" What "hint" was I supposed to get? What is the magical number of time trying to deal with a crying child that you excuse yourself? Are all situations when that child might start crying exactly the same? I think I explained pretty clearly what the extenuating circumstances were in this situation (divided party, no show or other action going on, people still filing in, an attempt to pacify her before moving on).

And I didn't say a CM wouldn't help, I said based on what many people are saying on here, the rules are the rules and if I left the line for any reason, with a CM's help or whatever the case, they are saying that I should not rejoin my family that is already in the (in this case pre-show) line because once you're out of the line, you're out and should start all the way back at the beginning.

And if it became a hardfast rule that anyone that steps away from the line for any reason loses their place and has to start over, you better believe you're going to be seeing a whole lot more screaming children in line because the parents will definitely not want to move them out of there then. So are you sure that's really what you want?

The funny thing is, the more you try to defend these rude reactionary responses, the more you prove my point that they are actually the problem.

 

[KellyNY]

But that's been my point all along, you don't know and it's not worth worrying over. As to blocking, etc., I've explained many times that in almost every line there are places that I can get around you unless you physically stop me with a hip-check or an elbow drop or something. If I don't touch you while you're trying to block me, and in your attempt to plug the hole you make contact with me, you've initiated violence.

I know there are people on here that brag on blocking everyone, but the simple truth is you can't, they can go around you. If nothing else, they can duck under the railing and avoid you altogether.

I just remembered, I did that once on my honeymoon. We were in line for the Ariel show at MGM. There was a group adjacent to us (and ahead of us in line). As the pre-show room was filling a parade was starting and the guy at the head of that group flat out refused to go. His entire group was telling him to but he said "shut up, they can wait, I want to see part of the parade". My wife and I ducked under the railing started walking in (there was not a single person between that group and the open door). Yes, we cut, and no, I do not think on any planet in the multiverse that we did anything "wrong". As a matter of fact, some guy that was behind us grabbed my arm as I walked past him (he was adjacent to me, behind where I had previously been in line) and said "you can't do that!". I calmly told him to remove his hand before I did. He snatched his hand away and I said "enjoy the show - if you make it in".

That guy is what many of the posters on here remind me of.

I agree with you there are ways and most blockers will not grab you or anything like that. Point is however, if they want to block, I do not care. They may die trying, I do not care. They want to say something, let them speak, why not. I believe it is between cuter and person he cuts, how they handle it is not my business.

 

[Rip]

I agree with you there are ways and most blockers will not grab you or anything like that. Point is however, if they want to block, I do not care. They may die trying, I do not care. They want to say something, let them speak, why not. I believe it is between cuter and person he cuts, how they handle it is not my business.

But it will become your business if it escalates to a certain point and you are in the immediate vicinity.

 

[minnie mum]

"You're wrong."

"No, you're wrong."

"No, you're wrong, and rude too."

"No, I'm not, you are."

I'm kind of surprised, given the rising levels of vitriol that we haven't had a visit from Cyrano yet.

One for the road, and I'm calling it a night. Entitled.

 

[KellyNY]

I can't figure out if you just can't read or you're just trying to argue for argument's sake.

What is your definition of "finally?" What "hint" was I supposed to get? What is the magical number of time trying to deal with a crying child that you excuse yourself? Are all situations when that child might start crying exactly the same? I think I explained pretty clearly what the extenuating circumstances were in this situation (divided party, no show or other action going on, people still filing in, an attempt to pacify her before moving on).

And I didn't say a CM wouldn't help, I said based on what many people are saying on here, the rules are the rules and if I left the line for any reason, with a CM's help or whatever the case, they are saying that I should not rejoin my family that is already in the (in this case pre-show) line because once you're out of the line, you're out and should start all the way back at the beginning.

And if it became a hardfast rule that anyone that steps away from the line for any reason loses their place and has to start over, you better believe you're going to be seeing a whole lot more screaming children in line because the parents will definitely not want to move them out of there then. So are you sure that's really what you want?

The funny thing is, the more you try to defend these rude reactionary responses, the more you prove my point that they are actually the problem.

OMG, just because you going to ask questions I already answered like... many times, my answers will not change. My position on your situation is clear. If you don't get it, you don't get it, period. What else should I say. And my position on rejoining was always clear, I answer for myself not others, you might want to ask everyone else what they think.

Now, I just need "entitled".

 

[Rip]

"You're wrong."

"No, you're wrong."

"No, you're wrong, and rude too."

"No, I'm not, you are."

I'm kind of surprised, given the rising levels of vitriol that we haven't had a visit from Cyrano yet.

One for the road, and I'm calling it a night. Entitled.

You bought it, you're entitled to it.

BTW, I really don't think there is any vitriol on here. I think it's just the inability to determine "tone" through text. This seems to me, even by DIS standards (and I mean that as in - this place is tame compared to most chat sites), pretty laid back.

Then again, I'm not normal.

Cheers!

I feel I'm entitled to tell you good night.

 

[KellyNY]

But it will become your business if it escalates to a certain point and you are in the immediate vicinity.

There are many things that may become our business, so...

 

[KellyNY]

"You're wrong."

"No, you're wrong."

"No, you're wrong, and rude too."

"No, I'm not, you are."

I'm kind of surprised, given the rising levels of vitriol that we haven't had a visit from Cyrano yet.

One for the road, and I'm calling it a night. Entitled.

Have a good night!

 

[Rip]

There are many things that may become our business, so...

So would you prefer that everybody just chill, or do you want to end up in the middle of an altercation over a couple of people that may or may not have already been ahead of you in the first place?

Personally, I'm of the opinion that one should pick their battles. Letting a couple of people rejoin their family is not a battle I'd choose.

 

[KellyNY]

So would you prefer that everybody just chill, or do you want to end up in the middle of an altercation over a couple of people that may or may not have already been ahead of you in the first place?

Personally, I'm of the opinion that one should pick their battles. Letting a couple of people rejoin their family is not a battle I'd choose.

I would prefer nobody to cut and therefore nobody to block. I would prefer Disney to handle it but my opinion does not matter just like yours anyway. I cannot stop cutter nor blocker, so yes, I think I will just chill. And regardless of how we may feel, we can both end up in a middle of the mess if Disney does nothing. Sad but truth.

 

[rdearth]

I'm just still peeved at the people in the park, not anybody on this board...even if they can't see my point, or don't agree with me.

Cheers.

 

[KellyNY]

I'm just still peeved at the people in the park, not anybody on this board...even if they can't see my point, or don't agree with me.

Cheers.

My last word on it, it was 2 years ago, let it go.

 

[Rip]

I would prefer nobody to cut and therefore nobody to block. I would prefer Disney to handle it but my opinion does not matter just like yours anyway. I cannot stop cutter nor blocker, so yes, I think I will just chill. And regardless of how we may feel, we can both end up in a middle of the mess if Disney does nothing. Sad but truth.

What I'm asking you is based in reality. People have emergencies, they sometimes have to leave the line. I know from your previous posts that you consider them rejoining their group "cutting". Many if not most people in the general population would disagree, therefore your view of cutting will never cease. So, given that, would you rather someone else try to block them, or that everybody just chill and let them by?

 

[KellyNY]

What I'm asking you is based in reality. People have emergencies, they sometimes have to leave the line. I know from your previous posts that you consider them rejoining their group "cutting". Many if not most people in the general population would disagree, therefore your view of cutting will never cease. So, given that, would you rather someone else try to block them, or that everybody just chill and let them by?

Actually I do not consider rejoining to be cutting. I pointed many times that this is cutting by definition but this is not how I see it. I said many times I have no problem with people leaving and rejoining line but it is my personal view on it, nothing else, I do not answer for others.
Let me ask you something, do you think because you may be against blocking it actually matter. You can only answer for your actions, but not others. I would prefer to live in a perfect world but it is not reality, so let me ask you, do you prefer to tell blocker here on board to relax or mind your own business, because your opinion means nothing anyway?

 

[Rip]

Actually I do not consider rejoining to be cutting. I pointed many times that this is cutting by definition but this is not how I see it. I said many times I have no problem with people leaving and rejoining line but it is my personal view on it, nothing else, I do not answer for others.
Let me ask you something, do you think because you may be against blocking it actually matter. You can only answer for your actions, but not others. I would prefer to live in a perfect world but it is not reality, so let me ask you, do you prefer to tell blocker here on board to relax or mind your own business, because your opinion means nothing anyway?

First, I misunderstood you with respect to what you considered cutting. I apologize for that.

Second, no, my opinion only matters to me, but yes, I would ask the "blockers" here on board to be aware of their surroundings, the specific situation (to the extent that they can - is it 1-2 people or 5+, that number being extracted strictly from my nether regions), and whether this particular potential battle is worth it.

 

[smidgy]

Great! I hope Rip will join us, not sure about Smidgy, I think she got a handover but she brought it on herself, she started the game.

I did not!!!! (stamping my feet). but, I just got home from work, so. play on!!!!

 

[KellyNY]

First, I misunderstood you with respect to what you considered cutting. I apologize for that.

Second, no, my opinion only matters to me, but yes, I would ask the "blockers" here on board to be aware of their surroundings, the specific situation (to the extent that they can - is it 1-2 people or 5+, that number being extracted strictly from my nether regions), and whether this particular potential battle is worth it.

First, no problem, it is possible to get lost in so many posts.

Second, I respect your attempt to spread awareness but I just being realistic here, nobody on board ever changed their minds, not cuters, nor blockers.