What benefits do I get???

[tigger2005]

I am renting points from a DVC member at the Beach Club Villas in Sept. I understand that the members get certain benefits, discounts at some restaurants, stores, valet parking, etc. Do I also get these discounts? And how do you get the discounts, just show them your room key, a special card, ???

 

[SSRex]

"I understand that the members get certain benefits"

Members, not renters of points. Sorry, but I/we paid too much for the memberships to think everyone should be entitled to the same things we as members get. You are renting the room only.
Anyone, members I mean, agree or disagree with this stance???

 

[Pa@okw95]

Discounts are for members, sounds like someone is trying to beat the system here. You said it for members only, no one else.

 

[Chuck S]

While I agree with the "members only" policy, the reality is your room key will say "DVC Member" and most places offering a discount will accept that. But don't be upset if someone doesn't accept your room key for a discount. In all probablility, since you are technically "staying on points" you will receive a list of current discounts upon check-in.

 

[Dean]

Just to be clear, DVC policy says renters don't get the discounts but the reality is that they don't police it and you likely will. If you room card says Member, you will have access to all member discounts in all likelihood.

 

[tigger2005]

It's not like I am staying for free. In reality I am actually paying someone elses payment on their room. The members do not HAVE to rent if they do not want non-members taking their benefits.

 

[HookdonWDW]

You asked what the policy is, and several people explained it to you. Member discounts are for members. However, there is a chance that you may slip through the system and be allowed to take advantage of the Member Perks.

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by tigger2005
In reality I am actually paying someone elses payment on their room.

Well, that's not entirely true. Whomever you rented points from has already paid a substantial dollar amount in order to become a DVC member / owner. Your transaction with the member is completely independent of DVC. While the resort will acknowledge the reservation (just as they would if I reserved a room in the name of a friend or relative), DVC would never acknowledge you as a member.

As the others have said, you will probably receive a resort ID that says "DVC Member" and a list of member perks when you check-in. Many places will grant you the member discount just for presenting your resort ID. However, if you are declined a discount or asked for the official member ID card, I would definitely recommend you not press it.

 

[Dean]

Many timeshares offer their members added benefits and discounts. Some restrict those benefits to the actual member and others link it to use of the facilities and treat any owner or renter the same as the member. DVC is the only system I'm aware of that draws the line between those that are guests of the member and those that have rented from the member.

This situations is analagous to the II exchange issue where exchangers are charged an extra $95 fee essentially for things ALREADY paid for by the DVC member.

 

[tigger2005]

If it is a written Disney policy that "renters" cannot use any of the member benefits then that is fine with me. It would be foolish not to use some of the benefits if they allow them.
One of the benefits that Disney promotes when selling the DVC is the ability of members to rent to other people.
I rent my house for about $5,000/yr to NASCAR fans, (ESPN etc.) and yes I do look upon this as someone else helping to pay my mortgage.

 

[dts718]

Im not sure how someone renting the time that the member would otherwise be there is taking advantage of anything by getting e few discounts. The renter has paid full value and should get full benefits as a member. Im sure this will not be a popular opinion but I would be curious to know how it effects other DVC members.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by tigger2005
It's not like I am staying for free. In reality I am actually paying someone elses payment on their room. The members do not HAVE to rent if they do not want non-members taking their benefits.

It is also like you are not a member. What you are paying for is the rental of a unit. Where the member spends the money from the rental is no concern of yours.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by dts718
Im not sure how someone renting the time that the member would otherwise be there is taking advantage of anything by getting e few discounts. The renter has paid full value and should get full benefits as a member. Im sure this will not be a popular opinion but I would be curious to know how it effects other DVC members.

The renter has not paid full value of anything. The renter has not paid for the membership OR the monthly fees. They are paying for a small chunk of time.

 

[dts718]

but they did pay full value for the portion of time that they occupied the unit. Also at the point that the "renter" has paid for use of the points and those points are gone and not reusable by the member were they really rented or bought?

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by dts718
but they did pay full value for the portion of time that they occupied the unit.

Actually no, full "value" is rack rate for the rooms from CRO

Also at the point that the "renter" has paid for use of the points and those points are gone and not reusable by the member were they really rented or bought?

Again, no. You are a "renter" unless you actually "own" a deeded interest. You do not legally "buy" points, you buy a deeded interest in a leasehold. The "use" of that leasehold percentage is represented in an annual points allotment.

 

[HookdonWDW]

Originally posted by dts718
but they did pay full value for the portion of time that they occupied the unit. Also at the point that the "renter" has paid for use of the points and those points are gone and not reusable by the member were they really rented or bought?

Maybe... maybe not. Since the rate that the renter is paying is determined by the individual who owns the membership, and hence the reservation points, they may or no be paying full value for the portion of time that they occupy the unit.

By following your analysis, those who rent rooms through CRO are also paying "full value for the portion of time that they occupy the unit." Hence, to follow through on that logic, they should also be entitled to the membership discounts.

The discounts have nothing to do with how much has been paid. Whether you own 25 points or 2,500 points, you are entitled to the same amount of Member Perks. They are a "thank you" for joining the Vacation Club, and committing to DVC for the next 38 - 50 years. If you sell, the perks go on to the next person who buys. Members are not even guaranteed that all of the perks will continue to exist in their current form in the future. DVC is very clear in the POS (Point of Sale) Agreement about who is and who is not eligible for the Perks. How they choose to enforce these rules is up to them.

Dean - what is your take on this issue? I'm actually surprised that you seem to think that the perks should be used by all who are allowed to use them, given your comments to Shan on the Transportation thread.

I think that DVC has the responsibility/choice to see that their policies are enforced evenly. As owners, I don't think we should tell potential renters that they are entitled to perks that they aren't entitled to... even if they may be given those perks anyway. It sets the scene for problems later. I can understand why renters are confused about what they are or are not entitled to... after all, I doubt many of them have had a chance to read the actual POS . I'd just hate to have someone read posts on here, think they are entitled to certain benefits, plan on them, and then be angry or disappointed when they aren't given the discounts.

::taking a breath::

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by HookdonWDW
Dean - what is your take on this issue? I'm actually surprised that you seem to think that the perks should be used by all who are allowed to use them, given your comments to Shan on the Transportation thread.

First, I didn't say others should get ther perks, only that they likely would, big difference. My comments on that thread were not directed at Shan, at least not initially, I guess it became a case of the shoe fitting and I hope she doesn't truly feel the way she came across, that it's Paul's fault if the BCV dues go up. And this is totally different IMO. My take is as it always has been. I've posted on this basic subject many times. There are two sets of issues. One is the rules and the other is how they are enforced. The rules are that renters don't get the perks. The enforcement is non existent. To equate the issues here and the transportation costs thread would require that someone contacted DVC and got them to enforce the rules AND that someone was upset about it. My take then would be fine, that's the rules. Now I'm all for enforcement of the rules but that includes all the rules including occupancy, 10% discount on UMP for MEMBERS only, etc. I hate it when DVC is not consistent and they are consistently inconsistent.

Of course I can't think of a single perk available to a guest or renters (rightfully or not), that would cost the members a single penny. IMO, worrying that someone gets a perk that doesn't hurt a single soul and doesn't take a cent from the operating costs is very petty and illustrates the worst side of DVC members. The only perk I can think of that would cost the members a dime is the cash discount and they enforce that one to Members only staying in the unit. Now if the Disney stockholders want to get upset at the loss of revenue, that's a different story and I could see their point.

 

[Chuck S]

Of course I can't think of a single perk available to a guest or renters (rightfully or not), that would cost the members a single penny. IMO, worrying that someone gets a perk that doesn't hurt a single soul and doesn't take a cent from the operating costs is very petty and illustrates the worst side of DVC members.

Absolutely, when a renter asks what "perks" they are "entitled" to, the answer is NONE. But what perks can they get, the reality is probably most of them depending on enforcement. "Discount Perks" really cost the membership nothing, so if they get extended to renters, so what? But I also don't want a renter to feel they are "entitled" to those benefits, and if they are denied to them that Disney CMs have done something wrong. And I think most of the answers in this thread reflect this information.

 

[HookdonWDW]

)Chuck - you said what I was thinking very concisely... thanks!

Dean - thanks for the clarification. Your answer is what I thought it would be... it just wasn't as clear in the first post (or, more likely, I made incorrect inferences from your first post ).

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by HookdonWDW
)Dean - thanks for the clarification. Your answer is what I thought it would be... it just wasn't as clear in the first post (or, more likely, I made incorrect inferences from your first post ).

Or maybe you were setting me up so I could get myself in trouble again. LOL.