What are "we" doing to our children in America?

thin people have unhealthy lifestyles too. Your high insurance costs are also related to illegal immigrants bringing diseases and illnesses over here that were previously eradicated or never seen before here. Also due to uninsured people needing treatment. Also due to smokers. Also due to the increased number of commonplace yet expensive diagnostic equipment. Also due to the increased number of elderly people and lots of medications. I could go on and on and on. and yet the lazy fat people are the ones getting the brunt of the rage and disdain.
 
okeydokey said:
Blobs of fat do not attach to me, but I am paying higher insurance costs partly due to so many people with unhealthy lifestyles needing treatment for diabetes and heart disease (including my own extended family). I do think that is my business.

I feel the same way about smokers (not only for insurance costs, but who's second hand smoke DOES attach to my lungs) and drinkers (both medical and auto insurance costs).

However, I'm not sure it's my business to go around making venomous comments about them. And if I did, I'd probably be brave enough to use the name by which I'm most recognized. But you feel free to carry on under your brandy-new alias.
 
okeydokey said:
Are we not see more people being treated for diabetes these days, including children?


Are we not seeing more kids, teens and adults being treated for bulemia and anorexia due to so many people having the point of view, like yours?

And why wouldnt you post under your real name? Scared or ashamed? Which is it?
 
CathrynRose said:
Are we not seeing more kids, teens and adults being treated for bulemia and anorexia due to so many people having the point of view, like yours?

And why wouldnt you post under your real name? Scared or ashamed? Which is it?

I'm sorry, I don't understand the real name comment. I don't think every diser posts using their actual name do they?

Anyway, that's why I said health care costs are rising "partly" due to unhealthy lifestyles. Also due to malpractice insurance and other reasons.
 

okeydokey said:
I'm sorry, I don't understand the real name comment. I don't think every diser posts using their actual name do they?


Whatever.

You have yourself one heckuva healthy weekend! :wave2:

 
okeydokey said:
Anyway, that's why I said health care costs are rising "partly" due to unhealthy lifestyles. Also due to malpractice insurance and other reasons.

Any explanation for the "blobs of fat" description?
 
FergieTCat said:
Any explanation for the "blobs of fat" description?


Please go back and see that I did not write those words, I quoted them from someone else's post.
 
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okeydokey said:
Please go back and see that I did not write those words, I quoted them from someone else's post.

My apologies then. You don't state the source where the "quote" comes from.
 
FergieTCat said:
My apologies then. You don't state the source where the "quote" comes from.


I think originally from CathrynRose.

I'm sorry if my thoughts seemed offensive to anyone. I do realize that nothing gets more emotional than discussions about raising our children and about weight issues and this thread seems to have both. I've seen personally how diabetes really can effect quality of life and I think our nations's health is an important topic. I hope schools, health organizations, corporations and the general population can work together to help our children lead healthier lives.
 
FergieTCat said:
Any explanation for the "blobs of fat" description?


That was me - I meant it in *jest*....

See:
CathrynRose said:
Enough already. Who made you the fat-police? Dont you get it?

It's not your business to think less of, or to complain about someone else and their families size! When they walk past you, does a blob of their fat attach to your hips? Why do you care? When a child's parent's let them eat cookies, do your children begin to pudge out instantly?

I think youve made your point. Fat People are killing themselves and their kids.


ETA - I'm not "pooh" sized and my BP is crazy high. Been like that since I was 16 - explain THAT, too.
 
Crankyshank said:
thin people have unhealthy lifestyles too. Your high insurance costs are also related to illegal immigrants bringing diseases and illnesses over here that were previously eradicated or never seen before here. Also due to uninsured people needing treatment. Also due to smokers. Also due to the increased number of commonplace yet expensive diagnostic equipment. Also due to the increased number of elderly people and lots of medications. I could go on and on and on. and yet the lazy fat people are the ones getting the brunt of the rage and disdain.

Well said!

I get so sick of hearing this same tired argument about obese people being the cause of everything that's wrong with the insurance industry, yet I've never seen an ounce of proof that convinces me.
 
CathrynRose said:
Enough already. Who made you the fat-police? Dont you get it?

It's not your business to think less of, or to complain about someone else and their families size! When they walk past you, does a blob of their fat attach to your hips? Why do you care? When a child's parent's let them eat cookies, do your children begin to pudge out instantly?

I think youve made your point. Fat People are killing themselves and their kids. :rolleyes:



ETA - I'm not "pooh" sized and my BP is crazy high. Been like that since I was 16 - explain THAT, too.
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CathrynRose,
I appreciate your apology in the last thread. Let's start over. Do you really think nobody has any business discussing our children's (in general) health? We discuss tobacco use, drug and alcohol use, overeating, bulimia, anorexia, obesity. We discuss school bullies. We discuss politics. Why is food and obesity a nono? Having opinions and expressing them does not make the poster a wannabe member of the fat police.

This is sincerely troubling, I think. Being obese is not healthy. Being bulimic or anorexic is not healthy either. Using the bulimia/anorexia argument, however, makes no sense because we're discussing obesity vs. being fit and healthy, not obesity versus anorexia.

If children are eating correctly and getting enough physical activity, they will most likely stay fit. It's when they eat lots of junk food, start snacking on unhealthy food throughout the day and don't exercise as much or at all, they get overweight and also lethargic or at least less energetic. This doesn't lead to a healthy lifestyle and overweight children will most likely be overweight adults. Or, at least have weight as an issue in their life unless they completely accept it and have convinced themselves they are content and healthy at that weight.

What, really, is controversial about that? We're all responsible for ourselves as adults, but we are not as children. Don't we have a responsibility to ensure that our children are raised in a healthy manner and have learned to make healthy choices?

When I mentioned my sil and bil, I was not criticizing them. I was explaining that my bil's eating habits had led to obesity (my husband thinks his bro. is about 350 lbs) and out of control diabetes. My sil is also obese and believes this is a contributing factor to her inability to find a life partner. And, it is. She has a ton of friends, has a great and kind personality, and everyone likes her, but she cannot find romance. And, you might state that it's the men's fault that they can't see her for her INSIDE. And, I would state you're right, but it doesn't change the fact that this has AFFECTED her and she is LONELY.

Nevertheless, I don't see the people advocating fitness as criticizing those overweight. And, no, other people feeding their own kids cookies doesn't make my own children gain weight, but I don't see that as the point. I see the parents feeding their kids cookies and chips and not encouraging physical activity as setting their own kids up for unhealthy choices and habits in the future. What is wrong with making this comment?

Lastly, people who see fitness as important are more likely (I think) to DO physically active activities with their children. Bike rides, inline skating at the park. . . all these things have a multitude of benefits. And, they are benefits that will stay with the children and that they will pass along to their children, as well. In addition, I would think (although I am guessing here) that kids that enjoy sports, activity, and are knowledgeable about fitness and health, will be much less likely to use abusive substances that damage both their bodies and psyches. That's my own guess.
 
okeydokey said:
I think originally from CathrynRose.

I'm sorry if my thoughts seemed offensive to anyone. I do realize that nothing gets more emotional than discussions about raising our children and about weight issues and this thread seems to have both. I've seen personally how diabetes really can effect quality of life and I think our nations's health is an important topic. I hope schools, health organizations, corporations and the general population can work together to help our children lead healthier lives.

Here, here. I guess it's not my business how other people choose to live, raise their children, eat, look, etc. But I do care about the general population and wish for my fellow people to be healthy and happy, both now and in the future. Just like I care about human rights issues. I want the best for everyone. I don't always do what's best and make the right decisions. But I would like to, and I would like to see others try to do their best for their children (who are their responsibility).
 
Okay, here's a quetion.

For those of you who say "It's none of your buisness what other people do", do you feel that the current state of rising obesity rates in all age groups should be ignored?

If it shouldn't be ignored, and "something" should be done, then aren't we making it our buisness?

If we do ignore it, and as a nation we become fatter and more unhealthy, are you prepared to accept the consequences?
 
FergieTCat said:
This one statement tells me everything I need to know about you, Kendra.
Do you only read what you want to see? I love my sister in law. She's WONDERFUL. These are things she's TOLD me-- things she's said to me when she felt like discussing how lonely she gets and unhappy she is with her weight and always has been.

I'm sharing HER WORDS WITH YOU. They are not my words. I think she's great and think she deserves happiness. I want her to find it at any weight she is. I don't care what weight she is. However, she isn't finding it despite the fact that she has social skills and is interesting and funny and attractive. It seems that most men do not want to date her because of her weight. She's been told this a couple of times to her face. Other times, she has been told this through the grapevine (NOT BY ME!).

She found the only people that have actually wanted to date her were those that SOUGHT HER OUT because of her weight. At first, I didn't understand her displeasure with this. I thought if someone finds heavy woman, in general, as sexy. . . why would that trouble her? She explained that she doesn't think that should be the basis for her relationship and she also found that these kind of men are more into the "fat" than into "her".

I LISTEN to her and am telling YOU what she TOLD ME. She also seemed to think that her feelings were representative of her heavier friends. If you don't subscribe to her beliefs, that is fine. But, some people do. So, I'm sharing those opinions here.


Geesh!
 
Chicago526 said:
Okay, here's a quetion.

For those of you who say "It's none of your buisness what other people do", do you feel that the current state of rising obesity rates in all age groups should be ignored?

If it shouldn't be ignored, and "something" should be done, then aren't we making it our buisness?

If we do ignore it, and as a nation we become fatter and more unhealthy, are you prepared to accept the consequences?

I have no problem with discussing "fat" as long as it is not used as a derogatory label, followed by a discussion as to why fat people are necessarily "lazy", "unhealthy", "unattractive", etc.

The consensus here seems to be that people are "fat" because all they do all day is eat, sit around, use ECVs instead of walking, etc. There are obviously other issues that need to be addressed, such as the prevalence of fast food, the prevalence of junk food, etc.

If we can discuss that in an adult fashion without name calling and making derogatory assumptions and comments about people based on their waist size, then sure, I'm all for it.
 
FergieTCat said:
The consensus here seems to be that people are "fat" because all they do all day is eat, sit around, use ECVs instead of walking, etc. There are obviously other issues that need to be addressed, such as the prevalence of fast food, the prevalence of junk food, etc.

I respectfully disagree, the consensus I'm getting is that there are those that are obese for legitamate medical reasons, and also those that are obese for unhealthy lifestyle reasons.

I too dispise using "fat" as a derogatory term. Two of my best friends are obese, and my father's best friend, who I consider an uncle, is obese. I love them all! None of them are obese for medical reasons. All have health problems due to being obese.

I make no judgements about individual people I see who are obese (in an ECV or otherwise). I don't know them or why they have weight issues, and on an individual basis, it isn't any of my buisness.

As a society we should be alarmed though, that obesity at all age levels are skyrocketing along with diseases that are cause or exasperated (sp?) by obesity. And it is our buisness to try and change that trend.
 
FergieTCat said:
I have no problem with discussing "fat" as long as it is not used as a derogatory label, followed by a discussion as to why fat people are necessarily "lazy", "unhealthy", "unattractive", etc.

The consensus here seems to be that people are "fat" because all they do all day is eat, sit around, use ECVs instead of walking, etc. There are obviously other issues that need to be addressed, such as the prevalence of fast food, the prevalence of junk food, etc.

If we can discuss that in an adult fashion without name calling and making derogatory assumptions and comments about people based on their waist size, then sure, I'm all for it.
Hello, Even though you just stated you knew everything about me you needed to know, I wanted to respond to this.

Yes, our country has too much junk food. But, it's the buyer/eater who chooses to ingest it! And, it's the parent that buys it for their kids!

It's also true that kids are more sedentary than they used to be. So, it becomes the parents' responsibility to counter that inclination with some type of physical activity.

These are all choices and decisions we make. We can choose to have ribs and fries for dinner and then have cake for dessert. Or, we can choose to order the salmon and broccoli and forego or at least share the dessert. And, we can take a walk or bike ride or we can watch tv.

The healthier options are also there. . . but the easier ones have the immediacy of pleasure. I just think that the healthier options give more pleasure in the long term.
 
I haven't read this whole thread, but I have to agree with the OP. I'm from Britain and apparently we're going the same way as America in the obesity stakes, but I have to say that on my first ever visit it was truelly shocking to see so many enormously fat people. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but as an outsider, that's one of your first impressions.
 
FayeW said:
I have absolutely no idea what this statement is supposed to mean. :confused3


Here is what it means, did you come to America and take a poll of americans? I do not remember you coming to my house, because hell, i don't even like Krispie Kremes, we hardly drink soda, my sister does not drink soda at all. So in your post please show me the statistical data of your analysis proving your theory or were you just sterotyping Americans.
 

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