What are "we" doing to our children in America?

Planogirl said:
My son gets a soft drink every day after school. It's his treat of the day and otherwise he eats well. He doesn't like baked goods or ice cream or chocolate so this item is the big bad thing of the day.



Stores here sell the mini cans, i buy those as i think it is plenty, they are smaller and do the trick for my dtr and me. Nothing wrong with having a soda, hell, nothing wrong with having anything just balance it out.
 
TimeforMe said:
The biggest pet peeve of mine when my kids were younger is that their elementary schools were teaching them to eat healthy, but when they got to middle school, there were soda machines, chips, ice cream, etc. What child is going to grab a piece of fresh fruit when they can have chips? I, too, work in a school (elementary) and see what a lot of kids bring for lunch. I am always amazed that people send soda in with their kids' lunches, cookies instead of fruit, etc.

Ok, I haven't read through all the pages of this thread but I just wanted to comment on this quote.

I've got one better than this. In the middle school AND grammar school we were at last year (we've moved since then), teachers would stock and SELL candy in their classroom. In the middle school there was a lady - from the school - called the snack lady. She would come around with a cart during class in the afternoon and kids could purchase junk from her - candy, chips, soda, etc. Some healthier things, like crackers, but yes, candy and chips. Kids would buy from her all the time. I was shocked. Isn't that unbelievable? I even mentioned it to the school guidance counselor. Don't have to look far to wonder why things are they way they are - at least in this particular school district.
 

I really don't notice who is using the ECV's (unless they are running me over :teeth:), but I do think that society in general has lost focus on being healthy, eating right, and getting excercise. I do think there are parent's who really need to think about teaching thier children these values, nothing but good can come from that.

I do admit is a little more expensive and a little less convenient to eat healthy, but if it is a priority, people will find a way to do it. You don't have to be a complete health nut, you just need to use moderation when eating junk food - it should be more of a treat than a staple. If excercise is a priority, it can be fit in also. We are a family with two working parents and my son still gets plenty of excercise, even if it just running around in the yard while my DH is outside grilling our healthy low fat chicken breasts for dinner after we get home from work. ;)
 
RNMOM said:
Kendra, you may want you children to have drinks with artificial sweeteners but many of us don't. I would rather have good old sugar that is not all that high in calories on it's own than chemicals. For about 10% of us the sweeteners don't taste sweet at all but bitter. That is why some people don't drink diet drinks.

I eat real butter and use olive oil on salads and for cooking. Guess what? My cholesterol level is 114, down from 134 last year. My "good" cholesterol is fine too. I eat real cheese too. My very thin and tall husband has cholesterol over 200 eating more healthy than do I. Tough one to explain isn't it?

I think we do a big disservice getting our kids fat free this and that. They need to learn to control regular foods. What will they do when they no longer have someone buying the fat free versions for them? Medicine is beginning to catch on that it is the quality of the food you eat not only whether it has fat or sugar in it. Wholesome natural foods are what our family eats as much as possible.

I am beginning to think if obese people are in a majority now we should revolt and make it unacceptable to be thin.

Personally I would rather look at a pooh sized person than at someone as thin as Nicole Ritchie. Be careful you don't put your obsessive exercise and diet notions on your kids or you might just end up creating a child who is bulemic or anorexic.

Get over your notion about who is acceptable to be in your presence or not. If you don't like what you see, turn your head and hopefully you will find a nice size 2 person standing there.

Is this entire post directed at me? I think Crystal Light and Diet Coke with Splenda or other sweetener should indeed be an option. As should juice. As should water. If you don't want your kids drinking that, tell them not to drink that. For me, I find plain water just unpalatable usually. I drink a lot of fluids, and I find it easier to do so if it's sweetened a bit.

I agree we have to control what you refer to as regular foods. However, I think regular foods are healthy and lower fat foods. Or, they should be. It seems as if today, McDonald's, Krispy Kreme, Frappuccinos, etc. are considered "regular food". I love McDonalds, but eat it infrequently and in moderation.

I'm sorry you consider my exercise regime "obsessive". ALthough you have no idea what I do daily, it's interesting to note that you deem it obsessive, nevertheless. I exercise daily because I like being healthy, energetic AND I like being a size 4/6. I think you just criticized me for this, and I'm absolutely amazed. My daughters aren't forced to exercise or workout, they choose to or not. However, they know I find health and fitness important and they know that being healthy and fit is important. If I at all made it seem as if I encourage my 3 year old to work out, please know that I do not. She likes to come in our gym with me and copy me. Therefore, she takes little one pound weights and does a few bicep curls and things like that. She then goes off and plays, then comes back, then goes off and plays.

I am not concerned about any of my childrens' weight. I want them to have healthy eating habits and exercise habits (whether skating, biking, playing soccer, gymnastics, etc., or other). And, thankfully, they do have healthy habits-- for the most part. I buy hohos like everyone else once in a while and we also go out for ice cream during the week.

As for this:
Get over your notion about who is acceptable to be in your presence or not. If you don't like what you see, turn your head and hopefully you will find a nice size 2 person standing there.
, did I AT ALL say I didn't like what I saw? I said that my in-laws were wonderful people dealing with health and social issues because of their weight. Does this mean I can't look at either of them or don't want to? No, and I am certain nothing I wrote would indicate this. I used them as an example. My brother in law loves to eat and really relishes his food. He loves good restaurants, and has made a decision somewhere along the lines that he prefers eating whatever he chooses to keeping his diabetes and weight under control. He is the kind of person that eats whatever he wants then adjusts his insulin immediately afterwards.

As for my sister in law, another poster mentioned she's lucky she found that out. I agree she's lucky she found this out. But, my point was that she WANTS to be in a relationship and she doesn't like being lonely. She's in her late 30s and has always been single and doesn't WANT to be single. Further, she's not 20 or 30 pounds overweight, they are both (bil and sil) at LEAST 100 or 150 pounds overweight. Even when sil thought she found someone that said weight wouldn't be an issue, he found he couldn't get over weight being an issue. And, she's unhappy and she has food issues also. When we go to visit, she is always making cookies for us, but then eats them all herself. Sure, maybe there is some guy out there who really doesn't mind a funny, interesting 300 pound woman with pretty eyes. If there really is, she hasn't found him yet. And, she wants to, but has pretty much accepted she probably won't find him unless he has a type of "fetish" for heavier women. And, she doesn't want someone like that. So, she is alone. She is independent, but sometimes she would like to be a little dependent on someone and have someone dependent on her. And, yes, I bet she would like to have sex be part of her life. I hope her feelings of loneliness and knowledge that it's difficult finding a life partner-- not to mention a date for Saturday night-- aren't offensive to you.

I do think any adult can do whatever they want, but I also think it's our responsibility to teach our children healthy eating habits. This doesn't mean don't EVER have sugar or cake or ice cream, but it means it doesn't have to be a DAILY treat, and it doesn't have to be a huge portion. It also means serving lots of vegetables and whole grains and grilled meats/fish. I really don't even see the controversy here.

I think to even make the claim-- even in jest-- that since most of the country is overweight, we should make overweight the norm is completely missing the point. It's not how aesthetically pleasing I find you or my brother in law or sister in law or any other 'pooh-sized' person. It's about feeling good for ourselves. If you want to make the claim that you feel healthiest being obese, then go ahead and make that claim. I would never even dream of disputing you. However, I believe in general that healthier people who exercise and eat right have a better chance of staying healthy over the long term and most likely feel better both physically and psychologically.

And, if you revolt, we can most likely outrun you. :)
 
RNMOM said:
I am beginning to think if obese people are in a majority now we should revolt and make it unacceptable to be thin..

L :rotfl: L !

RNMOM said:
Be careful you don't put your obsessive exercise and diet notions on your kids or you might just end up creating a child who is bulemic or anorexic..

So true! Obesity is at an all time high??? So is anorexia and bulemia with school age children. Figure that one out. :sad2: Dont worry - soon enough all the "fat" people will die off fromtheir heart attacks, strokes, diabetes & asthma and leave the bulemic & anorexics. Then they'll die off too - from the same diseases!


RNMOM said:
Get over your notion about who is acceptable to be in your presence or not. If you don't like what you see, turn your head and hopefully you will find a nice size 2 person standing there.

Amen Sista! *high five*
 
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Kendra17 said:
And, if you revolt, we can most likely outrun you. :)


Why dont I find this funny at all? Im not some monster, "pooh", large, massive sized - and this is really ridiculous comment.

Whatever. Yeah - just cuz youre thin, you'll be able to outrun a fatty.

Ill tell you my Mom was way heavier then me, and could have left me in the dust, if we had raced.
 
CathrynRose said:
Why dont I find this funny at all? Im not some monster, "pooh", large, massive sized - and this is really ridiculous comment.

Whatever. Yeah - just cuz youre thin, you'll be able to outrun a fatty.

Ill tell you my Mom was way heavier then me, and could have left me in the dust, if we had raced.
Oh, really. . . c'mon. . . I cannot even believe this thread. RNMOM completely missed the point of my thread and I responded to it. No offense meant to any larger person, but please don't make the case that it's just as healthy to be obese than it is to be fit (not bulemic, not anorexic. . . but fit).

If you choose to make that case for yourself or for obese adults in general, be my guest. But let's not pretend that's the healthier option for our children.
 
RNMOM said:
Get over your notion about who is acceptable to be in your presence or not. If you don't like what you see, turn your head and hopefully you will find a nice size 2 person standing there.

You are my new best friend!!! :woohoo:
 
Puhleez. I don't need to outrun a skinny person. I can trip them with my long large legs and then sit on them :rolleyes:

Oh and aside from metabolic and allergy issues, I'm healthy as a horse. Fat doesn't always equate unhealthy. Just like thin doesn't equate healthy. My asthma is allergy related and I've had all of my health issues since I was thin. Actually my weight initiated from an exercise forcing portion controlling domineering mother and having to take steroids for an extended period of time. Not because I like to sit on my butt and chow down drakes cakes while watching soaps.
I don't have diabetes. My BP and chol levels are perfectly normal (actually my chol level is 120) so kindly spare me the line about my weight causing your health insurance rates to skyrocket.
 
Kendra17 said:
If you choose to make that case for yourself or for obese adults in general, be my guest. But let's not pretend that's the healthier option for our children.

Enough already. Who made you the fat-police? Dont you get it?

It's not your business to think less of, or to complain about someone else and their families size! When they walk past you, does a blob of their fat attach to your hips? Why do you care? When a child's parent's let them eat cookies, do your children begin to pudge out instantly?

I think youve made your point. Fat People are killing themselves and their kids. :rolleyes:


ETA - I'm not "pooh" sized and my BP is crazy high. Been like that since I was 16 - explain THAT, too.
 
Kendra17 said:
Sure, maybe there is some guy out there who really doesn't mind a funny, interesting 300 pound woman with pretty eyes. If there really is, she hasn't found him yet. And, she wants to, but has pretty much accepted she probably won't find him unless he has a type of "fetish" for heavier women.

This one statement tells me everything I need to know about you, Kendra.
 
The problem is not only the parents but the schools. A lot of schools are cutting out PE from school and if the school doesn't have a playground some kids may not get a chance to exercise. Then they go home and sit in front of the computer or play video games for the rest of the day.

All I know is when I was younger I could eat pretty much anything I wanted and not gain too much weight. Me and my friends also went outside and played afterschool and on the weekends. Growing up in NYC we walked everywhere we went as well. Yeah we had Atari and Coleco Vision, but after an hour or two we were tired of playing and went back outside. The kids nowadays don't know what it's like to just go play. Some parents sign their kids up for soccer or baseball, but whatever happened to kids getting together and forming their own teams to play whatever game. This country has truly become lazy, yet we want everything fast as we don't want to take our time doing things. We as Americans really need to look at some other countries and take a few lessons from them.
 
minnieandme said:
All I know is when I was younger I could eat pretty much anything I wanted and not gain too much weight. Me and my friends also went outside and played afterschool and on the weekends. Growing up in NYC we walked everywhere we went as well.

You hit on the issue I am constantly saying. When I was growing up, I lived in a community where I walked to and from school, and my mom and I walked to the grocery store, bank, pharmacy, etc. Even going to the mall, we walked to the bus stop to get there. My friends all lived in my town and we walked or rode bikes to each other's homes.

Now we have a ten-minute drive to school. We have a couple stores that are technically within walking distance, I suppose, but you need to walk down and cross some pretty busy streets. My kids' classmates are spread out over a five-mile radius. Nowadays we have to "go out and walk" - whereas when I was growing up, walking was just a part of everyday life needed to function.
 
CathrynRose said:
Enough already. Who made you the fat-police? Dont you get it?

It's not your business to think less of, or to complain about someone else and their families size! When they walk past you, does a blob of their fat attach to your hips? Why do you care? When a child's parent's let them eat cookies, do your children begin to pudge out instantly?

I think youve made your point. Fat People are killing themselves and their kids. :rolleyes:


ETA - I'm not "pooh" sized and my BP is crazy high. Been like that since I was 16 - explain THAT, too.

I don't think less of heavier people. I've never even implied that. Please re-read my post. I don't think less of anyone for their size, looks, anything like that.

I was responding to the OP and to a post that was directed at me, yet seemed to miss the point. I don't care what size you or yours are-- or what size anyone is. However, I don't think it's appropriate to generalize that it's as equally healthy. With few exceptions (and those are debatable), it's not. And, I was posting what my heavier relatives thought/went through.

I can't even believe the vehemence here. I am not the fat police and don't want to be. I've never said anything close to that.
 
Blobs of fat do not attach to me, but I am paying higher insurance costs partly due to so many people with unhealthy lifestyles needing treatment for diabetes and heart disease (including my own extended family). I do think that is my business.

QUOTE=CathrynRose] Enough already. Who made you the fat-police? Dont you get it?

It's not your business to think less of, or to complain about someone else and their families size! When they walk past you, does a blob of their fat attach to your hips? Why do you care? When a child's parent's let them eat cookies, do your children begin to pudge out instantly?

I think youve made your point. Fat People are killing themselves and their kids. :rolleyes:


ETA - I'm not "pooh" sized and my BP is crazy high. Been like that since I was 16 - explain THAT, too.
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Kendra17 said:
I can't even believe the vehemence here. I am not the fat police and don't want to be. I've never said anything close to that.

And I should apologize for being snarky today. It's "that time"... Girly time.

I dont mean to single YOU out and keep quoting YOUR posts.

 
okeydokey said:
Blobs of fat do not attach to me, but I am paying higher insurance costs partly due to so many people with unhealthy lifestyles needing treatment for diabetes and heart disease (including my own extended family). I do think that is my business.]

Yeah - you keep on thinking that, since it justifies (AGAIN, IMO) the only tolerated form of bigotry, left. :sad2:
 
CathrynRose said:
Yeah - you keep on thinking that, since it justifies (AGAIN, IMO) the only tolerated form of bigotry, left. :sad2:

Are we not see more people being treated for diabetes these days, including children?
 

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