we need more sit coms on tv

Yeah! Except I don't watch Community. I have a dislike of Chevy Chase that cannot be squelched.

I can't believe you have Moss in your signature. IT Crowd, woo!

I know that everyone has their own opinions about people, but Chevy? Seriously? Can't say there's many other celebrities I'd love to meet over the almighty Chevy. :thumbsup2

I will say, though, that you've redeemed yourself by being a fan of the IT Crowd. "Good morning, that's a nice Tnetennba." :rotfl:
 
Studios create programming that are of interest to people who buy things because they watched commercials. It is really important to remember how television programming gets paid for. It's not a government service, paid for by taxes: It's called "commercial" television because commercials is mostly how it is paid-for, and commercials are worth paying for if they mean you'll sell something that you wouldn't have sold otherwise.
I understand WHY they show violent/sex-filled shows in that first hour of prime time television. I just don't particularly like it. I keep on hoping that one of the networks will wake up and see that there are many families out there that don't want to watch CSI or "How I Sexual Relations With Your Mother's Friend" or "Two and a Half Hound Dogs" with their kids. Heck, we used to watch Ugly Betty along with all the subtexts of one character who was addicted to sex and another who had a sex change operation. But at least it was a sweet show at it's heart and we could gloss over the unwanted parts.

I guess I'll see if I can find The Middle on Netflix. I also saw an episode of Community on the plane back from LAX and it looked like it might be amusing. FWIW I watched HIMYM for the first two seasons and really liked it, but it just became too trashy to watch with my DD. Maybe I'll see if I can find it on Netflix or Hulu and catch up without her :). Our ancient DVR can only record one thing at a time and I can't watch something else while it is recording either, otherwise I would record and watch some of these shows later. That's the next thing on my list now that we have a new plasma TV.
 
I understand WHY they show violent/sex-filled shows in that first hour of prime time television. I just don't particularly like it. I keep on hoping that one of the networks will wake up and see that there are many families out there that don't want to watch CSI or "How I Sexual Relations With Your Mother's Friend" or "Two and a Half Hound Dogs" with their kids.
Hmmmm..... You indicated that you understand why programming is how it is, i.e., it is what the target audience wants to watch, but then you imply that networks need to "wake up and see that" they should be presenting something else. :confused3 That confuses me. The networks know that there are other families out there, just not enough of them to matter, in terms of changing their programming to match the specs you'd like to see.

In many cases, I think viewers are their own worst enemy in this respect. The networks (except for CBS) don't have a personal preference. They'll present whatever kind of programming consumers want to watch most.
 
Hmmmm..... You indicated that you understand why programming is how it is, i.e., it is what the target audience wants to watch, but then you imply that networks need to "wake up and see that" they should be presenting something else. :confused3 That confuses me. The networks know that there are other families out there, just not enough of them to matter, in terms of changing their programming to match the specs you'd like to see.

In many cases, I think viewers are their own worst enemy in this respect. The networks (except for CBS) don't have a personal preference. They'll present whatever kind of programming consumers want to watch most.
Let me make my self clearer. I think the networks know that sex and violence sells advertising. I also think they throw CSI in at odd times because they don't have anything better to broadcast. It's already in the can and a rerun of CSI is cheaper than filming a new show. It seems to me that they are blinded to the status quo of sex, violence and reality TV. Why change something that works? I think that a night (1-2 hours) of more family friendly shows with LESS sex and violence would also attract viewership and with the way that networks are struggling, it would be worth a try. I'm not saying that they should remove programming with violent or sexual content, I am just hoping for some programming that doesn't follow that formula.

I just remembered ... we also watch No Ordinary Family which is a good family show.
 

I think that a night (1-2 hours) of more family friendly shows with LESS sex and violence would also attract viewership
I'm sorry but I don't see any reason to believe that there is money to be made there, that isn't already being made. It isn't that the networks don't ever try "family friendly shows". They do. Viewers don't watch them in large enough numbers. I think what it is is a lot of folks all chatting with each other saying that they would watch, but in reality most of them (though not you, I suppose) are just saying what they want to say, without much regard to what they're going to actually do. I think this lip service is really causing a lot of frustration, because it makes it seem like there are unsatisfied needs, when the reality is quite the opposite: All indications are that the entertainment programming that the networks provide is a very good reflection of what makes them the most money, as it should be.

I'm not saying that they should remove programming with violent or sexual content, I am just hoping for some programming that doesn't follow that formula.
I think there are outlets for that kind of programming, but since it is a niche interest, they are niche outlets. ABC Family often provides some programming along those lines... Kyle XY, for example, lasted several years.

I just remembered ... we also watch No Ordinary Family which is a good family show.
And an excellent example of what I'm saying. If family friendly programming was in such high demand, and such low supply, its ratings should be through the roof. Instead, its ratings suck.

Another great recent example, which I think was a real shame, was Life is Wild on CW. This was a wonderful show, family friendly (dealing with real issues, but doing so in a family friendly manner) with excellent production values, superior writing, directing and acting, etc. It tanked.
 
Probably a debate that would lead to a whole 'nother thread, but I'm just wondering, bicker, if you think that viewers set the standards for what broadcasters will create, or if the broadcasters create the standards that viewers watch.

In other words, who really sets the trends? Viewers watch what is placed in front of them.

I used to have this debate with people all the time about the recording industry. People think that whatever bands get played on the radio are "the best available,," but aren't they really the ones that the industry wants people to listen to? What if Lady Gaga was relegated to being an "Indie" act, with hardly any commercial outlet, and one of the "Indie" bands was pushed as the next great thing? Wouldn't things be drastically different? Aren't most shows/trends, a product of the broadcaster/creator, not the viewers?

As I said, it's a debate for another time and place, I guess, but I often wonder, who is really in control? :confused3
 
I know that everyone has their own opinions about people, but Chevy? Seriously? Can't say there's many other celebrities I'd love to meet over the almighty Chevy. :thumbsup2

I will say, though, that you've redeemed yourself by being a fan of the IT Crowd. "Good morning, that's a nice Tnetennba." :rotfl:

I've met Chevy a few times. He's a gigantic JERK. Mean, nasty, short-tempered, egotistical. Totally not what one would expect.

However, I STILL love his acting, and Community is a prime example of why.
 
Probably a debate that would lead to a whole 'nother thread, but I'm just wondering, bicker, if you think that viewers set the standards for what broadcasters will create, or if the broadcasters create the standards that viewers watch.
Networks follow the money.

Viewers watch what is placed in front of them.
As No Ordinary Family demonstrates - no they don't!

I used to have this debate with people all the time about the recording industry.
The music industry has pretensions of producing "art" to a much greater extent than television. Because there is so much more money involved, networks are all about the money.
 
And an excellent example of what I'm saying. If family friendly programming was in such high demand, and such low supply, its ratings should be through the roof. Instead, its ratings suck.
As you know, the time-slot a show has is also important to ratings, so it may not be simply the show itself. The best show will tank in a bad time slot. It makes you wonder when a network puts a show in a lousy time-slot if they really have any faith in it at all.
 
It's in the "family hour" time slot, on a great day of the week. Sorry, but this is a prime time-slot for the show.

Life is Wild was in a completely different time-slot, admittedly not so prime. It still tanked.

If all the shows of a certain sort fail, and they were in different time-slots, then it isn't the time-slots that are the problem. It's the content of the programming. In this case, the common thread is that the shows were family friendly. That's why their ratings suck. Blame Americans for being depraved, if you must assign blame for there being no family friendly programming in prime time... I could see the validity in that, much more readily than any thing else.
 
I've met Chevy a few times. He's a gigantic JERK. Mean, nasty, short-tempered, egotistical. Totally not what one would expect.

However, I STILL love his acting, and Community is a prime example of why.

I cannot stand him, his acting, his movies. Completely rubs me the wrong way, that guy.
 
Another great recent example, which I think was a real shame, was Life is Wild on CW. This was a wonderful show, family friendly (dealing with real issues, but doing so in a family friendly manner) with excellent production values, superior writing, directing and acting, etc. It tanked.

I LOVED that show! DW Moffet was excellent in that role and seemed so comfortable around the animals. Every time I watched it (which obviously wasn't often) I wanted to go to Disney's Animal Kingdom. (Normal people would have just said Africa. LOL.)

Nobody I know watched it. Not a single person, even after I told them about it.
 
I thought I was the only one that felt this way about Big Bang Theory.

Thank heaven's! Me too! I just don't understand what is funny about it at all! I tried to watch it, I gave it a shot. I really did. But, I just found all of the characters but, especially Sheldon to be so insanely obnoxious that I couldn't keep watching.
 
We like most of the shows listed, except Two and a half Men, it has gotten icky. It's the only word I can think of to describe it :rotfl:

Community I can take or leave, but DS15 loves it.

No one has mentioned Outsourced. While it's not on the same level as some of the other shows, like 30 Rock or Modern Family, I think it's cute.

We enjoy Outsourced! I liked it better before any of the romance started though.
 
As you know, the time-slot a show has is also important to ratings, so it may not be simply the show itself. The best show will tank in a bad time slot. It makes you wonder when a network puts a show in a lousy time-slot if they really have any faith in it at all.

THIS is exactly the problem that Community has had. It is the opening show of the night. It is an offbeat humor, and it needs a show before it to warm up the crowd so to speak. I am convinced that if it were moved even 30 minutes later into the lineup it would be doing drastically better in viewership.
 
Did I really forget to mention Outsourced earlier when I mentioned which comedies were doing well and which were doing poorly? :confused: Oops!

Outsourced is doing very well.
 
Thank heaven's! Me too! I just don't understand what is funny about it at all! I tried to watch it, I gave it a shot. I really did. But, I just found all of the characters but, especially Sheldon to be so insanely obnoxious that I couldn't keep watching.

YES!! It's just one of a whole lot of programs that I find offensive. I give each new program one viewing, and as far as so-called "comedies" go, there are NONE that I would watch. The last really good comedy on the air was Frasier!! Shows like "Two and a half men" or "big Bang" or How I met your Mother" are so smutty I can't understand how parents allow their kids to watch.:eek:
 
Thank heaven's! Me too! I just don't understand what is funny about it at all! I tried to watch it, I gave it a shot. I really did. But, I just found all of the characters but, especially Sheldon to be so insanely obnoxious that I couldn't keep watching.

Finally, someone who understands me. :lmao: I've tried to watch it 3 times. Sheldon was so obnoxious that it was almost stressful. I couldn't stand it and had to change the channel.

I do however love Two and a Half Men. Maybe I should give some of these other comedies people mentioned a try.
 
YES!! It's just one of a whole lot of programs that I find offensive. I give each new program one viewing, and as far as so-called "comedies" go, there are NONE that I would watch. The last really good comedy on the air was Frasier!! Shows like "Two and a half men" or "big Bang" or How I met your Mother" are so smutty I can't understand how parents allow their kids to watch.:eek:

I really enjoy HIMYM. However, that being said, I don't have any children.

Now, Two and a Half Men is even to smutty for me. I don't mind of there is occassional crude humor, and I don't mind if there are sexual storylines, but Two and a Half Men for me, just has no morally redeeming qualities. BUT, even though it has too much debauchery for me, it is STILL funnier than Big Bang Theory, so I will at least give it that much! LOL!
 
Outsourced is doing very well.
I spoke too soon. While Outsourced was doing very well last year, since returning from the holiday hiatus, it's done very poorly.
 

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