WDW's Coaster Phobia

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DD4 can ride all but a couple. I remember her excitement at being tall enough for the mountains. I think it is a shame that she won't have a 54" ride to dream about riding, feel the excitement of getting tall enough etc...

I don't see how one (or more) true coasters at dhs would turn off their target demo. I don't want to see Country bear jamboree but that doesn't stop me from going to MK.

Lastly the fact the mountains have high wait times and run out of fastpasses shows there is demand for more than dumbo.

My kids too.

As I posted earlier, if my kids couldn't do the mountains. It would knock MK down to 1 day of our vacation just for nostalgic's sake.

DHS could use another headliner. We ran out of stuff to do between lunch and Fantasmic! Next trip we are planning RD, Fantasmic! lunch back to the hotel pool, a cheap dinner at the hotel and then back to Fantasmic! It is a 1/2 day park.
 
See bolded above. It depends on how you define "true thrill ride". All the Disney thrill rides are definitely in the category of "mild thrills". They are suitable for most children who reach the height limit, and most adults.

But "true" thrill rides are at a level of intensity that is just beyond the endurance of sizable segments of the population. Most of the rides at Six Flags parks are way beyond the thrill level of TOT, RnR, Space and Screamin'. Have you ever been on X2 at Magic Mountain in California? OMG...:eek:

If that is the case why did the build Summit Plummit the 2nd tallest and fastest waterslide in the world at their waterpark...
 
If that is the case why did the build Summit Plummit the 2nd tallest and fastest waterslide in the world at their waterpark...

That's a waterslide. The water parks are secondary to the theme parks. But if they built an extreme thrill ride in one of their theme parks, it would exclude too large a percentage of guests.
 
But if they built an extreme thrill ride in one of their theme parks, it would exclude too large a percentage of guests.
Proof? The lines at RnR and the Mountains say otherwise. Your assumption that all those people who ride those rides would filter out if Disney upper the ante 20% or so is unsupported. Do you honestly think that BTMRR represents the upper limit of their tolerance? I can make unsupported assumptions too. How about: If Disney built a coaster that was faster, higher, and with more twists and turns than Everest and put it where The Backlog Tour is at DHS, it would be the most popular coaster at WDW. The lines would exceed that of 7DMT. It wouldn't have to be Kraken. Just more of what Everest is. The vast majority of guests between the ages of 8-38 would ride it. And that is the largest demographic slice of guests.
 

Proof? The lines at RnR and the Mountains say otherwise. Your assumption that all those people who ride those rides would filter out if Disney upper the ante 20% or so is unsupported. Do you honestly think that BTMRR represents the upper limit of their tolerance? I can make unsupported assumptions too. How about: If Disney built a coaster that was faster, higher, and with more twists and turns than Everest and put it where The Backlog Tour is at DHS, it would be the most popular coaster at WDW. The lines would exceed that of 7DMT. It wouldn't have to be Kraken. Just more of what Everest is. The vast majority of guests between the ages of 8-38 would ride it. And that is the largest demographic slice of guests.

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Okay, fine. It is all of those things. But, what it is NOT is "a modern thrilling coaster." 108ft. is not particularly tall. Cedar Point launched the coaster wars of the '90s by breaking the 200ft barrier with Magnum XL-200 in 1989---25 years ago!

There are other coasters in the Screamin' ballpark for height, but they are much more aggressive. An easy example of this also comes from Cedar Point in Maverick. It's a little shorter than Screamin', but much MUCH more thrilling. As in, not even in the same league. Maverick came in at #6 on the enthusiast poll I linked to above.

So, Screamin' might be among the more thrilling of Disney's domestic offerings, but in the grand scheme of things, it's at best "a nice ride." Even so, what it is also NOT is a big draw at DCA. Even with in the Brave New World where DCA draws much better overall, Screamin' doesn't generate anything near a serious line for most of the day. It's right about the upper end of the tolerance level of Disney's guest demographic.

In short, while Screamin' is a "bare coaster" (as is Primeval Whirl) it's not evidence that Disney could or would build something that would compete with the serious thrill rides in other Central Florida Parks.

Edited to add: for those who have never been on it, here's a POV of Maverick to give you a sense. Note that the first drop is slightly *past* "straight down"---it curves back towards the lift hill just a little bit. That means you are thrown up and out of your seat with quite a bit of force. The second hill has another strong pop of airtime, and the inversions are both close to zero-G rolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbyB9N4mvq4&feature=kp
Completely agree. And- this is what undermines Jimmy V's entire argument. California Screamin is not a "true, modern, thrilling roller coaster"....it's just a country mile long!!!!! Having said that....California Screamin' actually ranks as the 8th longest roller coaster in the world!! It's 1.15 miles or 6072 feet in length ---- the ride duration is 02:36 -----and the coaster is not made of wood ----it's made entirely of steel and clocks in at 55 MPH [/YAWN]!!!!! But- it does have an inversion and Neil Patrick Harris does the countdown and safety spiel!!! I can't find one picture that could fit this whole coaster.
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One would think that the lines for this coaster would be long..... but a poster here previously mentioned that there's barely a line!!!!!!!! This should be the most popular ride in the park but it's not!!!! So- why would Disney build more????? :confused3 I think the problem is you can find coasters like CS anywhere and they're much better coasters made with real wood!! The longest coaster in the US is The Beast at Kings Island!!!!!!!! This coaster is the real deal!!!! Built in 1979, it's an authentic real wooden roller coaster ----- it's 7359 feet in length.......even this old boy goes 65 MPH and the ride duration is 4:10.....almost twice as long as CS!!

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Jimmy V needs to clarify what he wants.......because true modern thrilling coasters look like this!!!!! We all mostly agree that Disney needs to build more thrill rides like EE ......but there is a major difference between Disney themed thrill rides and "true modern thrilling coasters" aka hyper coasters!!

A new coaster is coming to Orlando in 2016 and it's not going to be in a park!!!!!! It will be a stand alone attraction along International Drive!!

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"Scheduled to open in 2016, SkyScraper will climb a 570-foot observation tower. It will reach speeds of 65 mph and include inversions. The ride will be located at the SkyPlex on International Drive in Orlando."

I don't like it!!!! And- I believe it's unfair that this gimmicky thing is poised to steal the title of World's Tallest Coaster from Kingda Ka in 2016. Kingda Ka has a 418 foot drop and this thing just winds downs. It's fast and has inversions so it will be thrilling but it should not be in the same category!!!! :sad2:
 
Proof? The lines at RnR and the Mountains say otherwise. Your assumption that all those people who ride those rides would filter out if Disney upper the ante 20% or so is unsupported. Do you honestly think that BTMRR represents the upper limit of their tolerance? I can make unsupported assumptions too. How about: If Disney built a coaster that was faster, higher, and with more twists and turns than Everest and put it where The Backlog Tour is at DHS, it would be the most popular coaster at WDW. The lines would exceed that of 7DMT. It wouldn't have to be Kraken. Just more of what Everest is. The vast majority of guests between the ages of 8-38 would ride it. And that is the largest demographic slice of guests.
Now see- you have presented 2 different arguments!!!!! I completely agree with the above!! But- at first you said you wanted a true modern thrilling coaster and now you say you want something a little bit edgier than EE.......well- that's a big difference. Everyone will mostly agree that Disney needs to build more thrill rides.....the issue is what kind. :thumbsup2
 
That's a waterslide. The water parks are secondary to the theme parks. But if they built an extreme thrill ride in one of their theme parks, it would exclude too large a percentage of guests.

Proof? The lines at RnR and the Mountains say otherwise. Your assumption that all those people who ride those rides would filter out if Disney upper the ante 20% or so is unsupported. Do you honestly think that BTMRR represents the upper limit of their tolerance? I can make unsupported assumptions too. How about: If Disney built a coaster that was faster, higher, and with more twists and turns than Everest and put it where The Backlog Tour is at DHS, it would be the most popular coaster at WDW. The lines would exceed that of 7DMT. It wouldn't have to be Kraken. Just more of what Everest is. The vast majority of guests between the ages of 8-38 would ride it. And that is the largest demographic slice of guests.

I agree with JimmyV. We've had an extension of Fantasyland and the most popular highly anticipated ride is which one? Dumbo? No, 7DMT. A coaster.

If you want to pick apart what type, how high, long and the particulars. Feel free. Test Track is popular and that is a thrill ride. Is it a coaster? Who cares? I wouldn't call the building pretty to look at either but we love it.

The most popular rides at theme parks are coasters/ thrill rides, whatever you want to call them Disney included.

Another coaster wouldn't exclude some guests rather include more.
 
The "unthemeness" of California Screamin' WAS the theme. A 1920s era lakeside or oceanside amusement park called Paradise Pier. Disney erred by thinking people would understand the theme. I thought it was a great idea, but obviously i'm one of the few who thought so. If anything, CS and Paradise Pier kept California Adventure from being a total failure until the introduction of Tower of Terror and Carsland.

The same complaints are often made about Primeval Whirl at AK. Yes, it's just a side by side off-the-shelf Spinning Wild Mouse, but I think the intentionally tacky theming is excellent.

A kick-*** coaster would be a great idea for one of the Florida parks. It wouldn't detract from the family atmosphere one bit, and might keep some guests in Disney and away from the other parks. Doesn't need to have any inversions or gimmicks. (Inversions are SO 1987 ;) ). Something like Nitro or Apollo's Chariot or New Texas Giant if steel. If wood, El Toro or The Voyage.

My personal current favorite coaster in Florida is Cheetah Hunt.

Jim
California Screamin' is not a popular ride and is always walk on!! Now- on to Cheetah-----first time I've heard of this!!!! After reading the stats I would put Cheetah Hunt in the moderately thrilling category right along with Expedition Everest.

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It's nice.....but long!!!! The ride looks like it's stretched out across half the park......the bright yellow steel poles appear to be everywhere!!!!! Really nice coaster -------but it's not Disney, IMO. It's more than obvious that Disney can't put monstrosities like this inside of mountains!!!!!!!!!! :rotfl:
 
That's a waterslide. The water parks are secondary to the theme parks. But if they built an extreme thrill ride in one of their theme parks, it would exclude too large a percentage of guests.
Completely agree with you!!!!!!!!! Disney is well out of their league when it comes to extreme thrill rides. All of Disney's "mountains" are more than fun and provide a moderate thrill for coaster junkies -----but Disney is more than wise to leave the extreme hyper coasters to the pros!!!!! :thumbsup2
 
CS is always a walk on? Guess my 3 trips over 3 years to DLR prior to the renovation being completed were just total anomalies, because it wasn't a walk on when we rode it.
 
I honestly don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up CS. I am a so cal resident, have DLR APs, and have riden CS from time to time. Honestly it is not a "must do" for me when I visit DCA. I actually don't think I've been on it in over a year. The ride also rarely has a line longer than 15 minutes regardless of what the posted wait it (at least every time I've gone over the last 2-3 years). As a matter of fact when RSR first opened they were GIVING away "bonus FPs" for CS just to get people to that side of the park, since everyone congregates around carsland (and they still do). IMO RnRC is a much more intense coaster, and a better example of a big modern coaster. You just can't tell because it's indoors. The themed rides in Carsland are a much bigger draw and are the reason why people go to Disney. Rides like 7DMT are what families are looking for at Disney...yeah, I might spend a day at IOA or 6 flags ever few years, but I'll spend a week at WDW. It's a no brainier for them, people visit Disney to be entertained not for thrill rides.
Thank you very much for giving us the real deal about California Screamin'. I'm most certainly going to take the word of a California resident who frequents the park on a regular basis over someone with only a few trips!!!!!!! And- you're not the first person I heard this from!!!! :thumbsup2
 

You are exhausting! :rotfl: It's like trying to have a discussion with a chihuahua on espresso. I've come to the conclusion that you're the best named person on The Dis.

Please keep the great looking roller coaster pictures coming, they cheer me up at work! :thumbsup2
 
Can we retire the phrase "true, modern thrilling coaster," since it is a completely vague, arbitrary, and useless phrase? Some of you seem to think that it only includes record-breaking roller coasters that push the boundaries of what coasters can do, when in reality all anyone has asked is why Disney doesn't build more rides like Rock 'n' Roller Coaster or Revenge of the Mummy, which both completely fit the definition of being modern and thrilling. It's perfectly acceptable to not want a roller coaster at Disney, but to alter the conversation so that the argument suits your rhetoric is specious and only serves to derail the topic.
 
I agree with JimmyV. We've had an extension of Fantasyland and the most popular highly anticipated ride is which one? Dumbo? No, 7DMT. A coaster.
And the most common complaint about it is that it isn't thrilling enough. Whoever keeps parroting the "fact" that the majority of guests won't ride a thrill ride needs to start backing that up with actual stats, rather than baseless conjecture.
 
California Screamin' is not a popular ride and is always walk on!!

It's nice.....but long!!!! The ride looks like it's stretched out across half the park......the bright yellow steel poles appear to be everywhere!!!!! Really nice coaster -------but it's not Disney, IMO. It's more than obvious that Disney can't put monstrosities like this inside of mountains!!!!!!!!!! :rotfl:

Primevil whirl is not inside a mountain and is in Disney. I think it is unattractive myself and that is usually a walk on, so I think your right. One giant unattractive roller coaster in the middle of the hub at a MK won't work.

I do not think it is obvious that WDW can't build something appropriate.
 
You are exhausting! :rotfl: It's like trying to have a discussion with a chihuahua on espresso. I've come to the conclusion that you're the best named person on The Dis.

Please keep the great looking roller coaster pictures coming, they cheer me up at work! :thumbsup2
Ha!!!! A chihuahua on espresso????? This is by far the sweetest most kindest thing you've ever said to me!!!! :rotfl: You don't come across as an actual surfer but you're name is pretty cool because you got an actual shout out in the LEGO movie.......and yeah- I did think of you for a split second when I heard that!! I'm glad that the coaster pictures cheered you up.....that cheered me up!!!!! I like looking at pictures of coasters that Disney will never ever build, too. If I don't post more pics in this thread.....I'll be sure to post more if another coaster discussion pops up.....just for you, surferdave!!!!! :banana:
 
And the most common complaint about it is that it isn't thrilling enough. Whoever keeps parroting the "fact" that the majority of guests won't ride a thrill ride needs to start backing that up with actual stats, rather than baseless conjecture.

I agree.

In fact, the only facts we have are that the most popular rides are some of the most thrilling. That was my point. Out all the attractions in Fantasyland now, I would describe 7DMT as the *most* thrilling making it therefore the most popular.

The conjecture comes at would an even MORE thrilling ride be even more popular.
 
And the most common complaint about it is that it isn't thrilling enough. Whoever keeps parroting the "fact" that the majority of guests won't ride a thrill ride needs to start backing that up with actual stats, rather than baseless conjecture.

I have two (adult) friends who do not ride coasters and are thinking about trying the 7DMT now that the reports are in. Which is cool, because it if it were more thrilling they would not even have considered touching it.

I have ridden 7DMT now and my only complaint about it is that the cars are a little cramped, it breaks down too much and it is over way too soon. It is a fun ride. I don't care that it's not super thrilling.
 
!! Now- on to Cheetah-----first time I've heard of this!!!! After reading the stats I would put Cheetah Hunt in the moderately thrilling category right along with Expedition Everest.

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It's nice.....but long!!!! The ride looks like it's stretched out across half the park......the bright yellow steel poles appear to be everywhere!!!!! Really nice coaster -------but it's not Disney, IMO. It's more than obvious that Disney can't put monstrosities like this inside of mountains!!!!!!!!!! :rotfl:

Disney can easily install a ride like Cheetah Hunt in Animall Kingdom. The tower can be hidden inside a mountain. The rest of the ride is relatively low. It can be placed somewhere at the perimiter of the park and run into the surrounding empty land. Just have the start of the ride visible similar to Busch Garden's setup.

I rate it somewhat higher than Everest. No chain lift. There are three "launches" similar to RnR Coaster, simulating a cheetah's acceleration while hunting. One spiral roll inversion. Busch Gardens has no themed waiting area, but Disney can certainly build an awesome one.

Everest currently is my second favorite coaster in Florida after Cheetah Hunt. I think something like Cheetah would be a great addition to AK.

Jim
 
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