WDW to prevent AP holders from visiting parks many mornings

[LoveMugsNPins]

I wonder what the % is of LOCAL APs coming into to Disney on an average morning. % of total guests OR total number. Has to be a small amount comparatively

And of that group. (LOCAL AP holders-lowest "spenders" per day.) What % is Disney bloggers? They have to be skewing the data. And Disney shouldn't want them blocked out as they are free advertising for Disney.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Boopuff]

I wonder what the % is of LOCAL APs coming into to Disney on an average morning. % of total guests OR total number. Has to be a small amount comparatively

And of that group. (LOCAL AP holders-lowest "spenders" per day.) What % is Disney bloggers? They have to be skewing the data. And Disney shouldn't want them blocked out as they are free advertising for Disney.

I wonder about all the blogger/vloggers on a daily basis. It seems like their numbers are growing! I think it's a love/hate with that group

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

The last AP I owned was the Epcot after 4 pass.
I would buy it again tomorrow if it was available.

How about an incredipass, at incredipass prices, that largely functions like an Epcot after 5 pass?

 

[Smugpugmug]

How about an incredipass, at incredipass prices, that largely functions like an Epcot after 5 pass?

For me it was bad enough that Photopass and the water parks were removed from the highest annual pass and are now adds on for an additional cost. This would be the worst case scenario if that was the case.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

How about an incredipass, at incredipass prices, that largely functions like an Epcot after 5 pass?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the incred-pass is the expensive, no limit pass. The Epcot after 4 was very reasonable price, but only Epcot, and only after 4.
The good thing is there were no blackout dates. Not even weekends.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

It was perfect for F&W, as well as local folks who wanted to get dinner at Epcot.

 

[whiteness]

This is Bizzaro World. Disneyland Passholders used to famously mob the parks after work to watch the shows (fireworks, Fantasmic, World of Color, Parades), causing major overcrowding.

You mean to say that Disney World actually wants to encourage passholders to visit after work? And they will make it easier for them to do so? Amazing...

 

[Sandisw]

This is Bizzaro World. Disneyland Passholders used to famously mob the parks after work to watch the shows (fireworks, Fantasmic, World of Color, Parades), causing major overcrowding.

You mean to say that Disney World actually wants to encourage passholders to visit after work? And they will make it easier for them to do so? Amazing...

Or they want to allow those who will be actually going in the morning more spots?

The only thing I see something like this doing..assuming it came to be..is changing the number of guests allowed to park hop.

In reality, as long as they have an AP type program, people will come after work regardless.

 

[whiteness]

Or they want to allow those who will be actually going in the morning more spots?

The only thing I see something like this doing..assuming it came to be..is changing the number of guests allowed to park hop.

In reality, as long as they have an AP type program, people will come after work regardless.

I think there are some major differences between Disney World and Disneyland at play here:
1. Disneyland has (had?) major nighttime entertainment packed into small areas that were never designed to accommodate the vast numbers of Passholders that wanted to view them.
2. Disneyland has (had?) way more APs within minutes of the park, especially relative it it's size.
3. There was practically a culture of APs making nearly nightly pilgrimages to the park to experience said entertainment. They would camp out in viewing areas with blankets and provisions, blocking walkways and purchasing nothing. Some families used to send a family member in advance to hold spots literally all day long. Every. Single. Day.
4. The impact on the park was beyond belief. Everything was dominated by the entertainment. It would almost be like a battlezone. Yes, the fireworks in Magic Kingdom do cause a lot of crowding in front of the Castle, but, again, Disneyland simply wasn't designed to accommodate crowding, period. That wasn't a thing when they designed it. Everything just falls apart every single night and it's not pretty.

 

[Sandisw]

I think there are some major differences between Disney World and Disneyland at play here:
1. Disneyland has (had?) major nighttime entertainment packed into small areas that were never designed to accommodate the vast numbers of Passholders that wanted to view them.
2. Disneyland has (had?) way more APs within minutes of the park, especially relative it it's size.
3. There was practically a culture of APs making nearly nightly pilgrimages to the park to experience said entertainment. They would camp out in viewing areas with blankets and provisions, blocking walkways and purchasing nothing. Some families used to send a family member in advance to hold spots literally all day long. Every. Single. Day.
4. The impact on the park was beyond belief. Everything was dominated by the entertainment. It would almost be like a battlezone. Yes, the fireworks in Magic Kingdom do cause a lot of crowding in front of the Castle, but, again, Disneyland simply wasn't designed to accommodate crowding, period. That wasn't a thing when they designed it. Everything just falls apart every single night and it's not pretty.

The rumor is about WDW so I was referring to why it could make sense there.

But, even at DL, they can’t stop people from visiting when they want to visit unless they get rid of the AP option altogether. So maybe the reservation system to tracks the night time arrivals may actual be a good thing because they can limit it to fewer guests that way?

 

[whiteness]

The rumor is about WDW so I was referring to why it could make sense there.

But, even at DL, they can’t stop people from visiting when they want to visit unless they get rid of the AP option altogether. So maybe the reservation system to tracks the night time arrivals may actual be a good thing because they can limit it to fewer guests that way?

I realize that this is about Disney World. I moved to Kissimmee from Orange County, CA, a couple of years ago, and the differences still occasionally blows me away. Like I said, "Bizarro Land."

To my knowledge, Disneyland has never offered evening only admission. I'm not sure what the point would be without major changes in guest attendance patterns and entertainment times.

It's ironic, because I think Disney originally started offering nighttime entertainment to keep people in the parks later. But it worked too well. Disneyland became a "locals park", and passholders would go there whenever they had a few free hours to just "hang out." Watching the entertainment became a nightly thing. You'd see the same groups, in the same spots, night after night.

There is probably no equivalent to that dominant "locals" subculture out here. And that's a good thing, because it allows Disney to offer after work only admissions to locals.

We also have EPCOT, which is massive, a fantastic dinner dining destination and has a vast area with excellent entertainment viewing. California Adventure sort of plays that role in CA, and if they ever did offer evening only admission, that's mostly where it would be, but it is nowhere near the scale of EPCOT.

If Passholders get blocked more from all day admission, that's a pity. But it still blows me away that Disney World will actually make nighttime entertainment more accessible to passholders. Again, as someone from California, you cannot imagine how wonderful that is from my perspective, and how lucky we are to be in Orlando.

 

[TinkB278]

I might have missed this, but would those with a resort reservation and AP still be treated like ticket holding resort guests?

 

[DCLMP]

I realize that this is about Disney World. I moved to Kissimmee from Orange County, CA, a couple of years ago, and the differences still occasionally blows me away. Like I said, "Bizarro Land."

To my knowledge, Disneyland has never offered evening only admission. I'm not sure what the point would be without major changes in guest attendance patterns and entertainment times.

It's ironic, because I think Disney originally started offering nighttime entertainment to keep people in the parks later. But it worked too well. Disneyland became a "locals park", and passholders would go there whenever they had a few free hours to just "hang out." Watching the entertainment became a nightly thing. You'd see the same groups, in the same spots, night after night.

There is probably no equivalent to that dominant "locals" subculture out here. And that's a good thing, because it allows Disney to offer after work only admissions to locals.

We also have EPCOT, which is massive, a fantastic dinner dining destination and has a vast area with excellent entertainment viewing. California Adventure sort of plays that role in CA, and if they ever did offer evening only admission, that's mostly where it would be, but it is nowhere near the scale of EPCOT.

If Passholders get blocked more from all day admission, that's a pity. But it still blows me away that Disney World will actually make nighttime entertainment more accessible to passholders. Again, as someone from California, you cannot imagine how wonderful that is from my perspective, and how lucky we are to be in Orlando.

Passholders were never blocked from visiting the parks at night, I'm not sure how this makes it more accessible.

 

[Sandisw]

I might have missed this, but would those with a resort reservation and AP still be treated like ticket holding resort guests?

There has been no info about it other than a wild rumor this could be an option.

I do not believe they will ever treat AP holders with a resort reservation different than guests who have multi day tickets.

Now I could see them creating a new level of AP that is tied to resort stays…more like a yearly pass that is not an AP but has a high number of days that can be used when a onsite guest.

As I have shared, what I need is a yearly pass with about 30 days. I don’t need an AP to use 300+ days.

But absent of that? No, I think these changes would apply when booking with your AP outside of resort reservations.

 

[whiteness]

Passholders were never blocked from visiting the parks at night, I'm not sure how this makes it more accessible.

They wouldn't be offering evening only reservations if they didn't plan on making them available on days where you otherwise wouldn't have been able to visit in the morning.

I suppose one could argue that this is Disney taking away mornings with no upside. But there have been days that I couldn't get reservations for the park I truly wanted to visit and maybe an evening reservation would have been an option.

I'm hopeful that Disney is going to make more evenings available to passholders than they otherwise would have been able to get. I guess we'll all have to wait and see how this plays out. But, again, this is not something that would likely be at all helpful for Disneyland for the reasons I mentioned, and perhaps not for Magic Kingdom, either, for the same reasons? We'll see.

 

[Sandisw]

They wouldn't be offering evening old reservations if they didn't plan on making them available on days where you otherwise wouldn't have been able to visit in the morning.

I suppose one could argue that this is Disney taking away mornings with no upside. But there have been days that I couldn't get reservations for the park I truly wanted to visit and maybe an evening reservation would have been an option.

I'm hopeful that Disney is going to make more evenings available to passholders than they otherwise would have been able to get. I guess we'll all have to wait and see how this plays out. But, again, this is not something that would likely be at all helpful for Disneyland for the reasons I mentioned, and perhaps not for Magic Kingdom, either, for the same reasons? We'll see.

I don’t believe this would be no mornings. I think it would be in addition to the limit now in place.

So, if you get 5 park reservations outside an onsite stay, you can now get an additional x number of visits that start later.

Many people now if they can’t get the park they want, simply book a different one, tap in and then hop to the one they couldn’t get in the morning.

So with 4 parks at WDW, people are taking a spot at one of the parks even when they don’t intend to visit it at all..it wasn’t top choice..or don’t plan to go until later in the day.

Honestly there are plenty of days I have booked right now that I know I won’t enter until later in the day even staying on my DVC

 

[whiteness]

I don’t believe this would be no mornings. I think it would be in addition to the limit now in place.

So, if you get 5 park reservations outside an onsite stay, you can now get an additional x number of visits that start later.

Many people now if they can’t get the park they want, simply book a different one, tap in and then hop to the one they couldn’t get in the morning.

So with 4 parks at WDW, people are taking a spot at one of the parks even when they don’t intend to visit it at all..it wasn’t top choice..or don’t plan to go until later in the day.

Honestly there are plenty of days I have booked right now that I know I won’t enter until later in the day even staying on my DVC

Right. I have to admit, when I read this rumor, my initial reaction was negative. My perception is Disney that doesn't often do things that benefit passholders (especially coming from CA, where Passholders may be viewed as more of a burden than here.)

But having slept on it, I'm hopeful that this is a net positive thing for guests, including Passholders. The first day that I am able to snag an evening only reservation to Magic Kingdom, I'm going to be grinning from ear to ear.

 

[Sandisw]

Right. I have to admit, when I read this rumor, my initial reaction was negative. My perception is Disney that doesn't often do things that benefit passholders (especially coming from CA, where Passholders may be viewed as more of a burden than here.)

But having slept on it, I'm hopeful that this is a net positive thing for guests, including Passholders. The first day that I am able to snag an evening only reservation to Magic Kingdom, I'm going to be grinning from ear to ear.

I agree Disney will do what is best for them which is why I see this potential way to address the issues with the lawsuit in a way that allows them to still prioritize day guests.

It could be good for APs in the sense that they are getting to reserve spots.

In reality it isn’t anything more than hopping but just guaranteed access to that option…even though hopping has never been an issue.

 

[whiteness]

I agree Disney will do what is best for them which is why I see this potential way to address the issues with the lawsuit in a way that allows them to still prioritize day guests.

It could be good for APs in the sense that they are getting to reserve spots.

In reality it isn’t anything more than hopping but just guaranteed access to that option…even though hopping has never been an issue.

I've never park hopped in Orlando. In Anaheim, I did it almost every visit. Same with Universal Orlando. But here it's just too much hassle for me. "Tapping in" to (for example) AK just so I could later get into MK...nope, not happening.

So this will make it worthwhile for me to visit parks on days that I otherwise wouldn't have bothered, even if it might have been possible, in theory. For me, this could be a huge plus.