WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

[LSUmiss]

I was at BJs the other day. The line to checkout was all the way to the back of the store. Stood in it for probably 15-20 minutes. Mask on, 6 feet apart.

At proposed capacity, space mountain’s line will probably be shorter.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

The issue is not so much catching the virus in line for Space Mountain, but at dinner at Jiko.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

I totally disagree. Not only should the states decide but also the counties and by zip code.

That would be an absolute mess! By zip code? How would anyone know what is open, what precautions are being taken etc? Chicago has more than 50 zip codes - I can only imagine the chaos.

Illinois had a tough plan but we flattened the curve and have entered phase 4 - and was the first state to meet all of the White House guidelines to reopening.

I was in Florida last week for work -and was yelled at while at a gas station while I was wearing a mask - he told me I was part of the vast left wing conspiracy and that covid was not real.

 

[skyblue17]

In what way provided ppl are social distancing & wearing masks on both places?

In the sense that keeping distance and wearing a mask is the guideline for when you need to be out and among other people. If you can avoid being out and among other people, that's likely the best plan of action. Most people go to Target because they need to buy things. There is not really a need to be on a thrill ride.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Even then, there is only so much space for people to wait for things. Sometimes it's even harder when you have to wait to wait, since you have to find somewhere to kill time.

It's just a bit much, I think. I'm in the suburbs now and I'm ok with going to a state park and navigating around other people in large open spaces but WDW simply doesn't fit that bill by design, for me.

The crowds will be small. We know how to mosey and soak up the scenery..no need for commando...

My issue will be masks. I can wear one in a controlled climate with little psychical exertion but I’m struggling when active outdoors. It’s a HUGE difference!

 

[Jennasis]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The crowds will be small. We know how to mosey and soak up the scenery..no need for commando...

My issue will be masks. I can wear one in a controlled climate with little psychical exertion but I’m struggling when active outdoors. It’s a HUGE difference!

We picked up a 50-pack of disposable masks at Costco the other day for this reason. Our cloth masks are fine for stores and air conditioned type places but not as comfortable for longer-term usage in the heat and humidity.

 

[robinb]

I don’t know what the pp meant, but what I mean is I’ve been living in a hotspot & have taken precautions while out in public. I have been doing things in public as soon as things opened up. I follow all guidelines & rules. B/c of this experience, I’m not afraid to travel to another hotspot b/c I am comfortable in the precautions that I already take.

Just because you've taken precautions and didn't become infected at home doesn't mean that those precautions will safeguard you in a Covid hotspot on vacation. I sincerely hope I'm not wrong, but I think that you have a false sense of security.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

Right!? Our understanding of the virus has def. changed though. I do think many of us thought about how large of a company Disney was, their clout and the fact that they just do not close, for that line of thinking so it seemed doubtful (at that time) that they would choose to proactively close/announce they would close back then. Few local governments were strong-arming their areas back then too.

 

[kdonnel]

Just because you've taken precautions and didn't become infected at home doesn't mean that those precautions will safeguard you in a Covid hotspot on vacation. I sincerely hope I'm not wrong, but I think that you have a false sense of security.

The overall IFR for Covid-19 is estimated to be as low as .28% to 1%. For my age group and lack of co-morbidities it is even lower.

That means IF I get Covid-19 on my trip to Florida, I have a greater then 99% chance I will survive. Sure there is the chance I survive but have life long complications but again those chances are miniscule.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
Life goes on.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Just because you've taken precautions and didn't become infected at home doesn't mean that those precautions will safeguard you in a Covid hotspot on vacation. I sincerely hope I'm not wrong, but I think that you have a false sense of security.

I agree with you however I could be totally wrong on the direction of their comment but it seemed more like the PP was thinking of the types of precautions they were taking as if it was already part of their normal routine. That would not mean that you are immune to getting COVID-19 not at all but for example an individual who hasn't been used to being out and about might seem so nervous at the idea of being around people out and about and suddenly they have much more precautions to think of and actually do.

Heck I was nervous the first time I went out to eat (as it had been 3 months at that point outside of curbside and delivery) and I vastly prefer outdoor dining at this point so I get it though I used the same precautions I did when I went to the store. Now I'm not thinking of going to places that have huge huge cases myself but I *think* that's more what the PP was talking about (though again I could be wrong).

 

[godisney14]

The overall IFR for Covid-19 is estimated to be as low as .28% to 1%. For my age group and lack of co-morbidities it is even lower.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2

My takeaway from the article is a little different than your opinion.
This is the problem with trying to calculate an IFR of an ongoing pandemic—as the article is suggesting. You don’t know anything until much time has passed.

That means IF I get Covid-19 on my trip to Florida, I have a greater then 99% chance I will survive. Sure there is the chance I survive but have life long complications but again those chances are miniscule.

Where are you getting that “minuscule” data from? Sounds more like your personal opinion than anything. I have yet to see ANY observational study showing that. In fact, the exact opposite with the studies that are out there.

 

[RamblingMad]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

Some people can shift their thinking faster than others.

 

[Tallis]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

Not me! I was having daily anxiety attacks back then, waiting on DeSantis to close our state! He took way too long to act and that is just one of the problems that got us here. Disney, and other theme parks, should have closed immediately when all this started. I was appalled that they stayed open so long.

But I do remember people in less hard-hit states not "getting it" yet.

The overall IFR for Covid-19 is estimated to be as low as .28% to 1%. For my age group and lack of co-morbidities it is even lower.

That means IF I get Covid-19 on my trip to Florida, I have a greater then 99% chance I will survive. Sure there is the chance I survive but have life long complications but again those chances are miniscule.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
Life goes on.

Yeah, since there's no chance of you spreading it to anyone else or anything .....

 

[Lumpy1106]

The crowds will be small. We know how to mosey and soak up the scenery..no need for commando...

My issue will be masks. I can wear one in a controlled climate with little psychical exertion but I’m struggling when active outdoors. It’s a HUGE difference!

This is exactly why I think the rules will be relaxed for outdoor masks IN THE (near) FUTURE. Not now - but soon. For now, mask up and make the best of it. Outdoors, >6' from anyone is about as safe as you can be. The scenery makes no difference.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

Yes and my denial about them closing was simply that, denial. Emotional denial. I am secure enough with myself to admit that!

Once Disney closed this became very real to me.

 

[greg9x]

In what way provided ppl are social distancing & wearing masks on both places?

Because at a local Target your exposure risk is determined by the local spread of the virus... if your in a low spread area, your risk is lower. The smaller the area, the less people traveling in and out of it limits the spread of the virus. Also as mentioned, people spend a short amount of time in the exposure situation.

To go on a trip to Disney/Universal means traveling outside your home risk zone in to a current hot spot, also increased exposure traveling on planes, eating at restaurants, hotels, gas stations, etc. And then multiply that by all the visitors coming from all different locations. And THEN you have all those people leaving and going back to their home zones possibly upping the exposure there. Yes, masks and distancing improves your odds of staying safe..but in one situation you have multitudes more factors adding to the risk.

Granted, it only takes 1 person to spread the virus in either location...but the odds are generally lower of running in to that person the less factors you allow that contribute to the spread.

 

[Jennasis]

Yes and my denial about them closing was simply that, denial. Emotional denial. I am secure enough with myself to admit that!

Once Disney closed this became very real to me.

Me too.

 

[trmiv]

To put it in perspective, when Disney World closed on March 16th we had 166 TOTAL cases here in Florida. Now we just added over 10,100 new cases since yesterday. Makes zero sense that they would open during this huge spike.

 

[Lumpy1106]

From the SFGate today;
"I was at that party" YEESH! So much more to learn from this article that the author really downplayed. You are not going to get COVID from a 1 second interaction from someone you pass on the street while wearing a mask. Find me one article that says otherwise. Heck, find me one article from someone who has gotten COVID at UO - they've been open for weeks with standards less stringent than WDW. I can find you dozens of news stories just like this one though.