WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

[TLSnell1981]

This is exactly why I think the rules will be relaxed for outdoor masks IN THE (near) FUTURE. Not now - but soon. For now, mask up and make the best of it. Outdoors, >6' from anyone is about as safe as you can be. The scenery makes no difference.

I was referring to soaking up the scenery while waiting for ride time

 

[LSUmiss]

Because at a local Target your exposure risk is determined by the local spread of the virus... if your in a low spread area, your risk is lower. The smaller the area, the less people traveling in and out of it limits the spread of the virus. Also as mentioned, people spend a short amount of time in the exposure situation.

To go on a trip to Disney/Universal means traveling outside your home risk zone in to a current hot spot, also increased exposure traveling on planes, eating at restaurants, hotels, gas stations, etc. And then multiply that by all the visitors coming from all different locations. And THEN you have all those people leaving and going back to their home zones possibly upping the exposure there. Yes, masks and distancing improves your odds of staying safe..but in one situation you have multitudes more factors adding to the risk.

Granted, it only takes 1 person to spread the virus in either location...but the odds are generally lower of running in to that person the less factors you allow that contribute to the spread.

So what if you already live in a hot spot high spread area?

 

[LSUmiss]

Just because you've taken precautions and didn't become infected at home doesn't mean that those precautions will safeguard you in a Covid hotspot on vacation. I sincerely hope I'm not wrong, but I think that you have a false sense of security.

I get that. But, my point for that is I am comfortable with the current risk here so there shouldn’t be any additional risk there for us.

 

[LSUmiss]

In the sense that keeping distance and wearing a mask is the guideline for when you need to be out and among other people. If you can avoid being out and among other people, that's likely the best plan of action. Most people go to Target because they need to buy things. There is not really a need to be on a thrill ride.

Well that’s a different argument. Most areas have plenty of nonessential things open right now including dining, shopping & bars. I agree Disney should not open if we go back to lockdown & are only open for essential things.

 

[Lumpy1106]

This whole experience has taught me about the risky behavior we've all been doing that has spread a lot of other diseases. I am not going to miss the masks or the social isolation when those are no longer needed, but things like washing hands obsessively, really protecting my own personal space, not shaking hands or sharing utensils, being obsessive about things like the hotel remote control, making sure I work form home and my kids stay home from school if we are not feeling well - yeah, I think those will be more permanent changes for me - and a lot of people.

 

[mousefan73]

Well, when I just thought of typing the below I was kinda joking, but the more I think about it, it's probabyl true!!! . but....... I am probably more likely to die driving on I4 in the Orlando/Disney area, than catch Covid at WDW and get seriously ill.

seriously each time we rent a car and drive around WDW, and I4. I do the sign of the cross before starting the car.. I have seen driving behaviour, lack of skills like nowhere on earth.

 

[maxiesmom]

I totally disagree. Not only should the states decide but also the counties and by zip code.

Because people don't travel between states? And one city can't have multiple zip codes?

 

[VandVsmama]

Remember back in Feb when we had the big crazy thread where we all bashed avengerspoilerer for proclaiming Disney would close in April? Remember how crazy the idea of shutting down DISNEY was?? Ahh good times.

Now we are arguing that it shouldnt open!

How times change.

Yep! Earlier this year, I was blasted by some here because I and my family refused to get within 6’ of my 73 yr old immune compromised diabetic congestive heart failure mother in law so we wouldn’t inadvertently pass the virus to her. Some of those same folks have now turned around and passionately argue with others about how we are all going to kill Grandma if we step foot out of our homes.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yep! Earlier this year, I was blasted by some here because I and my family refused to get within 6’ of my 73 yr old immune compromised diabetic congestive heart failure mother in law so we wouldn’t inadvertently pass the virus to her. Some of those same folks have now turned around and passionately argue with others about how we are all going to kill Grandma if we step foot out of our homes.

You know that's not how it went down.

People were responding to your mother-in-law wanting human interaction and if memory serves correct no one on the thread you created said you should get close contact with your mother-in-law. People said you can visit her outside and be quite far apart from her. You didn't want to for various reasons see her in person at all, not distanced, not with her on the porch y'all far away on the driveway, just not at all.

You may be right about your last sentence but your first is not really how it went down.

 

[RobDoc]

The political comments need to stop.

 

[KBoopaloo]

This is why opening up tourist spots that people have to travel long distances to makes me nervous. Seems that these folks did the correct thing and got tested when they felt poorly but now the health department has to contact everyone on their flights from Florida. Living in a place where we had a horrific spring but have now managed to get things mostly under control, I am nervous that all our work will be thrown away as everyone starts hopping on planes to what are now hot spots.

https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...-cases-in-30-days-from-out-of-state-travelers

 

[robinb]

I get that. But, my point for that is I am comfortable with the current risk here so there shouldn’t be any additional risk there for us.

I understand your point. I just think that you can control more of your risk from home than on vacation. There are a lot more possibilities to come in contact with Covid carriers when you are away from home: housekeepers, food service, ride operators (ETA: CMs of all kinds), and other guests to name a few. Not to mention all the high-touch surfaces that cannot be kept perfectly clean and the amount of time spent "out and about" in a Covid hotspot instead of at home. I say that as someone who is not a germophobe, who has never wiped down their hotel room with Lysol wipes and who never used hand sanitizer until the last few months.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This is why opening up tourist spots that people have to travel long distances to makes me nervous. Seems that these folks did the correct thing and got tested when they felt poorly but now the health department has to contact everyone on their flights from Florida. Living in a place where we had a horrific spring but have now managed to get things mostly under control, I am nervous that all our work will be thrown away as everyone starts hopping on planes to what are now hot spots.

https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronav...-cases-in-30-days-from-out-of-state-travelers

You'd have that chance anywhere honestly. New Zealand hailed as having no cases for more than 3 weeks now has cases and citizens returning home are apparently getting a lot of hostility.

I think more realistically we would want to amp up our contact tracing responsiveness and quarantine and self-isolation methods. Admittedly that last part seems harder when it comes to travel in general but I don't think the expectation is that we can protect from outside at this point. I don't disagree with the concern you have though; it's one that floats around all the time really.

Back to New Zealand they've been criticized for their quarantine and isolation methods by letting citizens out of quarantine before being tested (ones that were positive and ones to be considered the first to bring it back to NZ) along with others who were allowed to leave and now the NZ Health Minister has resigned (for that and other large mistakes and errors). I know people have talked about comparing other countries and saying "we're doing better than so and so"..remember it doesn't take much to remove you from the high place.

 

[ORD2KOA]

Just because we need to know this - 10,000+ cases reported in Florida today and 67 more dead.

169,106 cases in Florida
3,617 deaths in Florida
28,547 cases in Central Florida

Today: Orange County: 11,458 cases
One month ago (June 2): Orange County: 2,048 cases

 

[TLSnell1981]

Because people don't travel between states? And one city can't have multiple zip codes?

Rural and suburban areas do not have the same issues as more populated ones. Not everyone lives on top of each other or uses public transportation. As far as zip codes...hot spots are tested like crazy and recommendations made.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Rural and suburban areas do not have the same issues as more populated ones. Not everyone lives on top of each other or uses public transportation. As far as zip codes...hot spots are tested like crazy and recommendations made.

And yet, rural and suburban areas seem to be having as bad or worse a time with COVID as we had in New York.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Rural and suburban areas do not have the same issues as more populated ones. Not everyone lives on top of each other or uses public transportation. As far as zip codes...hot spots are tested like crazy and recommendations made.

You might not "live on top of each other", but a lot of those meat packing plants are in rural areas. So some of your neighbors, "work on top of each other".

 

[TLSnell1981]

And yet, rural and suburban areas seem to be having as bad or worse a time with COVID as we had in New York.

Where?
The only states with concerns regarding hospitalizations are Texas and Arizona.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Where?

Texas, Florida and Arizona.

 

[Nabas]

Headed to Florida next weekend. Visiting Universal Studios.

We're heading to Disney in a couple of days, fully planning to wear masks and respect all social distancing rules.

I view it once-in-a-chance lifetime to stay at Walt Disney World while the theme parks are closed for the entire week, and the roads and hotels mostly empty.