WBRepo-Ship of Thieves-Remeber the Magic-Pt 2

[gaylean93]

I'm not!

I know. I see Ken and John are friends now. This is crazy! We have to stay in touch now! I can totally see us doing a reunion cruise....but not to Alaska

 

[gaylean93]

So you don't think I'm being too pushy? I've actually decided I don't care how mad he gets because this is just ridiculous!

I would do anything the doctor told me to at this point. You can't be too pushy when people's lives are in danger. I think we should call Dr. Phil. Then you can come here for free!

 

[HollyTyler]

I would do anything the doctor told me to at this point. You can't be too pushy when people's lives are in danger. I think we should call Dr. Phil. Then you can come here for free!

thank you. I'm always open to people telling me I should consider the other perspective, but in this situation, nobody has told me I'm wrong, so I feel OK about finally telling him off!

 

[gaylean93]

thank you. I'm always open to people telling me I should consider the other perspective, but in this situation, nobody has told me I'm wrong, so I feel OK about finally telling him off!

Does he act like this with his dad? Why doesn't his dad want to help him?

 

[HollyTyler]

Does he act like this with his dad? Why doesn't his dad want to help him?

Actually, his dad did mention that he's seen him hurt the dog often and has punched his dad & stepmom lots too. It's only happened with me one time that I can remember for some reason. But it's primarily at school. Every day, in fact (except maybe once a week). And day care. And in the kids' clubs on the cruise. Just in large groups of kids.

 

[HollyTyler]

Does he act like this with his dad? Why doesn't his dad want to help him?

Oh, to answer your other question, he doesn't think there's a need for help other than behavioral therapy. But doctors have already told us that it's out of his control, because it's completely impulsive, because he knows it's wrong and feels so down on himself for not being able to stop himself. that's why he hates himself. But his dad just doesn't get it. Complete denial.

 

[gaylean93]

Actually, his dad did mention that he's seen him hurt the dog often and has punched his dad & stepmom lots too. It's only happened with me one time that I can remember for some reason. But it's primarily at school. Every day, in fact (except maybe once a week). And day care. And in the kids' clubs on the cruise. Just in large groups of kids.

Is there any history in the family of this type of thing? I know you said his dad's sister took some meds.

 

[gaylean93]

Oh, to answer your other question, he doesn't think there's a need for help other than behavioral therapy. But doctors have already told us that it's out of his control, because it's completely impulsive, because he knows it's wrong and feels so down on himself for not being able to stop himself. that's why he hates himself. But his dad just doesn't get it. Complete denial.

He does need behavioral therapy and it will help. I had a friend that had a son that did all of the things you have described and he got better with the therapy but they had him on anti-depressants. He didn't have any learning problems, just wanted to hurt people and animals.

 

[HollyTyler]

Is there any history in the family of this type of thing? I know you said his dad's sister took some meds.

Yes, both of his dad's sisters took Ritalin until age 18 and both have depression issues now, and one tried twice to commit suicide. That's what he's afraid of, but one doctor tried to tell him things are different now than they were 30 years ago, and Tyler's not the same issue as his sisters.

My cousin had major aggression issues too, and they put him on Ritalin too because in 1st grade his school said he can't come back until he was medicated. He's 23 or 24 now, but I don't know if he still takes meds for anything because we're not close enough to talk about it. I've actually been meaning to get in touch with him for more details to share with our doctor. And my grandma had major mental issues with major meds, so Tyler has it in his family history for sure.

 

[tink1963]

I know. I see Ken and John are friends now. This is crazy! We have to stay in touch now! I can totally see us doing a reunion cruise....but not to Alaska

Oh yes we are. If that's where disney goes, that's where we go. Beside, Ken accepted me as a friend, because "after all we are dragging Gaylean to Alaska together"

 

[HollyTyler]

He does need behavioral therapy and it will help. I had a friend that had a son that did all of the things you have described and he got better with the therapy but they had him on anti-depressants. He didn't have any learning problems, just wanted to hurt people and animals.

Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to tell his dad. The doctors told us meds alone won't help, and all drs. so far say behavioral therapy, occupational therapy, and meds are what Tyler needs because of the severity of all his issues.

 

[gaylean93]

Yes, both of his dad's sisters took Ritalin until age 18 and both have depression issues now, and one tried twice to commit suicide. That's what he's afraid of, but one doctor tried to tell him things are different now than they were 30 years ago, and Tyler's not the same issue as his sisters.

My cousin had major aggression issues too, and they put him on Ritalin too because in 1st grade his school said he can't come back until he was medicated. He's 23 or 24 now, but I don't know if he still takes meds for anything because we're not close enough to talk about it. I've actually been meaning to get in touch with him for more details to share with our doctor. And my grandma had major mental issues with major meds, so Tyler has it in his family history for sure.

I don't think he had a chance! I'm so sorry. I can't say I know how you feel but I know that it hurts when your children are hurting.

 

[lillygator]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/workshop/4219781.html

Look at the 1st picture

love it!

Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to tell his dad. The doctors told us meds alone won't help, and all drs. so far say behavioral therapy, occupational therapy, and meds are what Tyler needs because of the severity of all his issues.

oh Holly - I had no clue the situation had escalated that much. How scary. Hope things work out soon!

 

[gaylean93]

Oh yes we are. If that's where disney goes, that's where we go. Beside, Ken accepted me as a friend, because "after all we are dragging Gaylean to Alaska together"

I read that. I guess if Ken says it then it is set in stone Now have you guys agreed to pay our way

 

[tink1963]

I read that. I guess if Ken says it then it is set in stone Now have you guys agreed to pay our way

Wow, thats very nice of Ken to agree to pay.

 

[gaylean93]

For everyone that just signed up for facebook

Make sure you tell them not to send you an email every time you do anything on your page. I just looked at my email and I had 59 facebook messages I didn't have that many after the cruise.

 

[gaylean93]

Wow, thats very nice of Ken to agree to pay.

Well he doesn't know quite yet. I was hoping I could get you first and then tell him!

 

[LuvBaloo]

Wow, thats very nice of Ken to agree to pay.

Well he doesn't know quite yet. I was hoping I could get you first and then tell him!

I was taking a quick skim through this at work and had to look twice to see what Ken had agreed to do! Then I back tracked and figured it out - Pheww

Holly - sounds like things are extremely stressful, but that you're taking action and managing to stay sane

Now I have to get back to work and I'd really rather go home and have a nap (or do some WiiFit)

 

[gaylean93]

I was taking a quick skim through this at work and had to look twice to see what Ken had agreed to do! Then I back tracked and figured it out - Pheww

Holly - sounds like things are extremely stressful, but that you're taking action and managing to stay sane

Now I have to get back to work and I'd really rather go home and have a nap (or do some WiiFit)

I always love to people.

 

[gydell]

Holly - If it were me, I would do what is best for my child and not worry about dad. Let him take you to court to try and get Tyler off the meds!