Was Jill Carroll Really Kidnapped?

[wvrevy]

Sorry...shoulda been more clear. I wasn't accusing anyone here of being "muddle headed" or a right wing extremist (I save that for the ultra political threads ). Just saying that this theory seems to be coming from that direction out there on the web.

Sorry...no offense intended, and I certainly would never blame anyone for being a skeptic. In this day and age, anyone who is not skeptical of what they're told by the media and those in authority is, IMHO, a bit "muddle-headed"

 

[4cruisin]

Sorry...shoulda been more clear. I wasn't accusing anyone here of being "muddle headed" or a right wing extremist (I save that for the ultra political threads ). Just saying that this theory seems to be coming from that direction out there on the web.

Sorry...no offense intended, and I certainly would never blame anyone for being a skeptic. In this day and age, anyone who is not skeptical of what they're told by the media and those in authority is, IMHO, a bit "muddle-headed"

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying that. I really am very liberal and very, very skeptical.

 

[gate_pourri]

I have to say, the whole thing is a bit suspicious. Last month, she was begging for her life, claiming that her captors were threatening to kill her, if their demands were not met. And now, she claims she was never mistreated, never threatened, never worried about her life being in danger, was more worried about gaining weight, and getting showers, etc. I don’t know if I believe it was a hoax or she is suffering from Stockholm syndrome, but something doesn’t add up here. JMO.

 

[vivilasvegas]

Um, you are accusing an actual person of murder, of putting her friends, family and community through months of hell. A person you don't know, who has never done you any harm, and who has gone through a horrendous few months herself.

Goofball theories may be fun stuff when dealing with nameless, faceless government organizations. But do you honestly think people don't have a right to be upset when posters are making *serious* accusations against real people based on absolutely *nothing*?

Yeah, okay, well I didn't accuse anyone of murder. Neither did anyone here, she's discussing the possibility that it could be a hoax. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's against the law, and I don't think it's harming anyone.

what's wrong with you? really?

 

[wvrevy]

Yeah, okay, well I didn't accuse anyone of murder. Neither did anyone here, she's discussing the possibility that it could be a hoax. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's against the law, and I don't think it's harming anyone.

what's wrong with you? really?

Her translator was killed in her abduction. If you're accusing her of faking that, you ARE accusing her of murdering her translator.

 

[Minnesota!]

Been skeptical all along. Said it from day 1 that she wasn't kidnapped

 

[vivilasvegas]

Her translator was killed in her abduction. If you're accusing her of faking that, you ARE accusing her of murdering her translator.

salmon was telling me I was accusing her of murder. I already said I don't buy into the theory, but did say you can question these things.

Sorry, but still don't get the hostility.

 

[charlie,nj]

I have to say, the whole thing is a bit suspicious. Last month, she was begging for her life, claiming that her captors were threatening to kill her, if their demands were not met. And now, she claims she was never mistreated, never threatened, never worried about her life being in danger, was more worried about gaining weight, and getting showers, etc. I don’t know if I believe it was a hoax or she is suffering from Stockholm syndrome, but something doesn’t add up here. JMO.

Yeah here is her picture when she was crying on camera…she looks upset doesn't she? Now she is saying she was told she would not be hurt in anyway...

I do think she was kidnapped…because there seems to be proof that her translators head was blow off. So something did go down that day. I don’t think she knows about the translator yet because if it was me I wouldn’t be happy with my captors if I knew someone was killed while I was being abducted.

“The interpreter, Allan Enwiyah, 32, was found dead nearby, shot twice in the head, the newspaper said, citing law enforcement officials.”
Here is the full cnn of the kidnapping…

cnn piece from that day (jan 9)..

It is not inconceivable to think it might have been staged though. Remember there was an American soldier who staged his own kidnapping. There were pictures of him with hooded men pointing guns to his head. Turns out he went AWOL so he could visit his family in I think Jordan. I can’t find info on this but I do remember it..does anyone else.


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[4cruisin]

Her translator was killed in her abduction. If you're accusing her of faking that, you ARE accusing her of murdering her translator.

No, I'm not accusing anyone of murder. It could have been an accident. Even the best laid plans can go awry.

This thread started out as a What do you think? idea. It was not intended to accuse anyone of murder. I do not like the fact that people are intimating that I believe for a minute that the translator's death was intentional. I am asking "Am I the only one that does not believe that Jill Carroll was kidnapped by extremists and held for 80 plus days against her will?"

Many threads have been posted on the Dis in a similar fashion. It was meant as a thought and discussion provoking thread.....obviously some people have missed that.........................

I'd love to stay and play but I need to go grocery shopping. .

I'll check back later to see how far out of control it got before the mods locked it.

 

[Dan Murphy]

.......Looking at the hostages that were released last week, they were not well fed or even well treated for that matter. They looked awful upon their release. .....

Not sure if this has been addressed in a subsequent reply, but they were rescused, not released.

As for the OP, I thought she sounded very strange in the interview after her release, but then so did Patty Hearst back 30 some years go, a captive of the SLA.

 

[padams]

I agree with Dan...it reminds me of the Patty Hearst kidnapping...what's the name of the psychological condition when a hostage starts identifying with her captors?

 

[4cruisin]

Not sure if this has been addressed in a subsequent reply, but they were rescused, not released.

As for the OP, I thought she sounded very strange in the interview after her release, but then so did Patty Hearst back 30 some years go, a captive of the SLA.

Dan, you're right. I know there is a diffence between released and rescued and I used the term released incorrectly regarding the other hostages.

And that is another thing that doesn't make sense. Why was Jill released out of the blue? The other hostages had to be rescued and Tom Fox was actually killed and dumped on a street.

So much for taking good care of the hostages.

 

[Chicago526]

I don't think the kidnapping was a hoax because of the translators death, but something about her behavior post release is just off. Maybe it's Stockholm Syndrome, maybe it's just shock, but something isn't adding up. Hopefully once she gets state-side and has a chance to rest and recoup, we can get a better idea of what's going on.

 

[Holly]

salmon was telling me I was accusing her of murder. I already said I don't buy into the theory, but did say you can question these things.

Sorry, but still don't get the hostility.

Who is being hostile?

 

[Maleficent13]

Okay, this may be a totally ignorant question and I should know the answer, but were the other hostages kidnapped by the same group of people as Jill Carroll?

 

[Holly]

And that is another thing that doesn't make sense. Why was Jill released out of the blue? The other hostages had to be rescued and Tom Fox was actually killed and dumped on a street.

So much for taking good care of the hostages.

I was wondering the same. I believe the original demands were the release of female prisoners and most were released shortly after the demands were made, although the government claimed the two were unrelated.

It's hard to make sense of anything with the info us "little people" get fed.

 

[vivilasvegas]

Who is being hostile?

Read and we'll leave it at that.

including yours!!!

sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread either....

 

[Pooh's Pixie]

I admit to being suspicious. Not so much of her staging the whole thing (seems elaborate) but maybe working out a deal with the kidnappers at some point in her captivity so that her own agenda could be pushed. Maybe she was really captured, but things don't always go down in a dramatic way like the movies.

The older I get the more cynical I get (and I'm only in my 30s!) But a very wise person once told me to remember that EVERYONE has an AGENDA. I try to be aware of that. Time will tell, I guess. And I also try to remember that we only hear a tiny fraction of any story on the news. So there is WAY more to it than we know, which may support the suspicions or not.

 

[charlie,nj]

I knew I wasn't going nuts..I found the piece about the soldier who staged his own abduction...remember this sick dude..and he did it I think just after those beheadings took place...

A video taken by kidnappers shows U.S. Marine Wassef Ali Hassoun.

Wassef Ali Hassoun info



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[lillygator]

wonder how his family took that?