Was Jill Carroll Really Kidnapped?

[beattyfamily]

Her translator was killed when she was kidnapped. I sincerely doubt that she arranged for someone to be murdered to "make a name for herself."

ITA. I read that before they released her they threatened her and told her that the Insergents have infultrated the 'green zone', maybe meaning they could get to her again if they wanted to or hurt our soldiers if they wanted to. Maybe she's still afraid to say anything bad about them yet.

I've never been kidnapped so I don't know how I'd react. I'm not going to judge. I think they took good care of her because she was a woman, she spoke Iraqi, she wrote about Iraqis, and many many people wanted them to release her and not harm her.

 

[JudicialTyranny]

I don't think it was a fake kidnapping, but my gut feel is that she has some sympathies with the anti-American insurgents. Whether she had those sympathies before she was kidnapped or not, I don't know.

My prediction: Soon we'll see her as the opening act for Cindy Sheehan on the AmericaBushBashapalooza tour.

 

[4cruisin]

You may not be here to start a war - but we are talking about a real person here, not a fictional character. She has friends and family, communities who knew and cared about her and have been worried sick praying for her safe return.

And you are accusing her of unbelievably vile and despicable acts - all because she gained a few pounds? I'm sorry, but in my book that is way out of line.

These are real people, real family members you are libeling and belittling here.

There are many what if threads posted here every day. I have a right to my opinion. Are you a close friend or family member of Jill? You seem to be taking this thread very personally.

Oh and btw, I am not libeling or belittling anyone. Get a grip will ya.

 

[tinatark]

I think her favorable reports of how well she was treated have to be a slap in the face of kidnapped people/families who weren't treated as well - tortured and murdered, bodies dumped in the streets like they're less than animals.

I think her statements are meant to cause some type of sympathy to the captors, who just want their voices heard. It makes you think they're not so bad, after all. It was reported almost immediately after her return that the US military was not involved in her release. That seemed very calculating to me.

I don't believe that she had anything to do with her kidnapping, but I do think she I (with help) manipulated the sympathies afterward.

 

[vivilasvegas]

There are many what if threads posted here every day. I have a right to my opinion. Are you a close friend or family member of Jill? You seem to be taking this thread very personally.

Oh and btw, I am not libeling or belittling anyone. Get a grip will ya.

Really!
I don't think it was a hoax, but I also don't think you are here to start a war!!

 

[Jynohn]

I think it's Stockholm Syndrome, which leads captives to identify and sympathize with their captors.

That was my first thought too.

 

[Holly]

So, she was kept in a darkened room - reminded her of a cave - for months, with virtually no contact, fearing that she would be killed on any given day. But she gained a few pounds, so you suspect she faked the whole thing? Including the murder of her translator? Because, why again - she wanted to put her friends and family through a living hell worring about her?

Good points and I agree.
It really isn't that surprising that she would put on weight if she were locked up without exercize for a long period of time.

I think people may be getting their knickers in a wad because she wasn't treated horribly by her "evil Muslim captors".

She wasn't tortured so it must be a hoax, right?

I agree with the poster above that said the murder of her translator negates the idea of a hoax.

 

[vivilasvegas]

Good points and I agree.

I think people may be getting their knickers in a wad because she wasn't treated horribly by her "evil Muslim captors".

That's pretty condescending. I guess you mean that everyone who is considering that theory must be a racist.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Since the Iraqi people were upset with her kidnapping, would it have helped her kidnappers advance their agenda to treat her poorly? Perhaps they used her.

 

[wvrevy]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the muddle-headed thinking of the American right wing.

Go check out the Freeper blogs on the net...This kind of conspiracy theory is all over the place out there. Apparently, the fact that she didn't immediately condemn her attackers as less-than-human is apparently enough to make them think she's one of those pinko pacifist types that would lie about anything.

Wish I could say I was making that up, but the evidence is easy enough to find. Just go to google and type her name and the words "kidnap" and "fake" and there will be plenty of "hits".

 

[4cruisin]

I think people may be getting their knickers in a wad because she wasn't treated horribly by her "evil Muslim captors".

She wasn't tortured so it must be a hoax, right?

If you read my posts carefully, I have never referred to her so called captors as muslim, Iraqi or in any other ethnic terms.

My take on past hostage situations is that the captor does not pay particular attention to how well treated a hostage is. They really don't care if they are clean or well fed. Whether a captor is Muslim, Christian, Korean, Viet Namese (sp) etc. If they feel they are more useful alive, they will do just enough to keep them alive and not much more.

 

[vivilasvegas]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the muddle-headed thinking of the American right wing.

Go check out the Freeper blogs on the net...This kind of conspiracy theory is all over the place out there. Apparently, the fact that she didn't immediately condemn her attackers as less-than-human is apparently enough to make them think she's one of those pinko pacifist types that would lie about anything.

Wish I could say I was making that up, but the evidence is easy enough to find. Just go to google and type her name and the words "kidnap" and "fake" and there will be plenty of "hits".

While I don't believe the theory either, I don't think it being discussed on this board is 'cause for outrage and right-wing hysteria!

I know pleeenty of conspiracy theorists, and believe me, they aren't Republicans, barely political at all!!

This could be an interesting discussion, no need for people to get so upset.
Conspiracy theories are just that, theories. They are goofball, out there, and pretty funny to read sometimes!

(not you directly wrvey)

 

[4cruisin]

It's kind of amusing to me to be referred to as a right wing extremist.

I am very liberal and vote mostly democratic, prefer to be thought of as an Independent.. I do not support the war in Iraq at all and although I do support the tremendous job our soldiers are doing there, feel we really should not be there. (Flame away, sorry, it's really how I feel)

I do not believe that Jill Carroll was kidnapped. Call me crazy, looney, right wing, a libeler etc, it makes no difference. I am simply a law abiding, news watching, blue-collar, tax paying baby boomer that may or may not be mis-informed. I love our country, believe it is one of the best in the world and certainly appreciate the freedoms that we have.

Me....right winged...not on your life.

I used to believe everything I was told, never questioned much....now I know better and when my gut says "Something is off here" I try to follow through and question why.

To all of you that have responded, thanks for giving me your opinions and insight.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Interesting topic.

The thought never crossed my mind that she faked her kidnapping.

 

[LisaR]

You may not be here to start a war - but we are talking about a real person here, not a fictional character. She has friends and family, communities who knew and cared about her and have been worried sick praying for her safe return.

And you are accusing her of unbelievably vile and despicable acts - all because she gained a few pounds? I'm sorry, but in my book that is way out of line.

These are real people, real family members you are libeling and belittling here.

For the record, I do not believe she faked her kidnapping. That said, you make it sound like noboby would be capable of such a horrible thing. People have been known to leave their loved ones hanging.....worried sick that they are injured or dead. There are cases of people "disappearing" for extended periods of time only to show up unharmed months or years later.

 

[salmoneous]

be an interesting discussion, no need for people to get so upset.Conspiracy theories are just that, theories. They are goofball, out there, and pretty funny to read sometimes!

Um, you are accusing an actual person of murder, of putting her friends, family and community through months of hell. A person you don't know, who has never done you any harm, and who has gone through a horrendous few months herself.

Goofball theories may be fun stuff when dealing with nameless, faceless government organizations. But do you honestly think people don't have a right to be upset when posters are making *serious* accusations against real people based on absolutely *nothing*?

 

[DawnCt1]

She said she was kept in a darkened room....did anyone else verify this? She keeps saying that she was well treated and well fed; allowed showers etc. Most hostage takers don't give a rats tail about a captives personal hygiene or if they like the food they are being given.

I'm not here to start a war....just wanted to know if anyone else had the same doubts.

Maybe she felt the end justified the means....if she could win the release of female prisoners, it would justify what she was putting her family and friends through. Certainly, stranger things have happened.

Any hostage who isn't beaten, tortured or murdered, ultimately begins to feel "grateful" to their captors. Again, Stockholm Syndrome. Patty Hearst became so enamoured with her captors that she actually joined them after awhile. She is cooperating with Allied Forces to facillitate the rescue of other hostages. She could also be keeping her true opinions close to the vest to avoid the killing of other hostages who are at risk.

 

[salmoneous]

That said, you make it sound like noboby would be capable of such a horrible thing.

I believe some people are capable of horrible things. I don't think that gives us a right to go accusing just anybody of committing horrible things without any evidence.

 

[Teejay32]

I don't think it was a fake kidnapping, but my gut feel is that she has some sympathies with the anti-American insurgents. Whether she had those sympathies before she was kidnapped or not, I don't know.

I totally agree.

 

[4cruisin]

Goofball theories ?

Goofball, love it. Now I have a new catch word.

I'm a goofball, yes I am.

Obviously you have an issue with me. Again, I ask you, are you friends with Jill Carroll. You are not being objective at all. At least I'm asking for opinions.

Read my right wing extremist post. Now I can add Goofball to the list of names I call myself.

Some people are just wound way too tightly.