Warning- daily safety and security room check

I’m at Pop now. It doesn’t seem to matter if you opt out of housekeeping or not. Security has been knocking.

I just returned from an 11 day stay at Pop. I did have housekeeping. Not once, in the entire 11 days did anyone knock on my door. I did not leave my room until around 11:00am each day, and housekeeping did not come earlier than that. The room was always serviced while I was out. I did leave the curtains open when I left the room, so if they wanted to just look in, they were more than welcome to.

I do not doubt that some people at Pop are having issues, because it has been very inconsistent at Pop from day one. But I did want to let people know that it’s not always the case that a vacation at Pop equals unwelcome intrusions.
 
Bottom line is the whole thing is a joke as far as actual security is concerned. Anyone with a small amount of experience can tell you how it is more for show and ways around what they are trying to prevent.
I will start by saying I’m not promoting/advocating or detracting the idea of security checks. I am not discounting people’s negative experiences with the policy.

If what you are saying here is opinion then that’s fine but it is most certainly not factual.
One of the first principles of social control is making rules. If it’s a rule many people will follow it because it’s a rule. If you want more people to follow it you need enforcement/checks. Not everyone will follow it but most will.

Think of driving and red lights. The majority of the population stops for red lights. Why? First and foremost is likely because it’s dangerous. Secondly no one wants a ticket. But what about at 2am on a non busy road. The chance of getting in a crash or a ticket is so unlikely but people still wait for the light to go green. Because it’s a law and people follow rules/laws.

Most people that go to WDW are good, honest, hardworking people. Some are not. The simple act of knowing you will be checked on will eliminate some issues within the hotel. Some people looking to do nefarious things will have To plan better or find another place to do it. If they plan better the hope is that the next level of security will catch it.

That’s what front line security is. So while it may appear as a joke to you that is fine. But in reality it has a place and likely doing what they intended. Short of putting every single person in an isolated cage there is nothing that can be done to produce absolute safety and security. However, having a complete non existent program is negligence on their part.

Again, I’m not promoting, justifying, or agreeing with its existence.
 
This is not apples to apples nor do I say this lightly, but I'm sure there were many people in Las Vegas last year that now wished daily checks were happening at Mandalay Bay. It doesn't mean those daily checks would have prevented the tragedy from happening, but it's possible. I'm not advocating overzealous security jumping through your WDW resort window if you don't answer your door within 0.5 seconds but as Bob Dylan said well, times are a-changin'.
 
This is not apples to apples nor do I say this lightly, but I'm sure there were many people in Las Vegas last year that now wished daily checks were happening at Mandalay Bay. It doesn't mean those daily checks would have prevented the tragedy from happening, but it's possible. I'm not advocating overzealous security jumping through your WDW resort window if you don't answer your door within 0.5 seconds but as Bob Dylan said well, times are a-changin'.

There WERE many checks at that hotel for that horrible person.

The shooter literally had bellhops bring up the guns to his room. Multiple times.
Multiple visits from housekeeping.
Multiple visits from room service.

What more could have been done? Nothing on the part of the hotel.
What is Disney doing that could have prevented that sort of thing? Nothing.
 

I just returned from an 11 day stay at Pop. I did have housekeeping. Not once, in the entire 11 days did anyone knock on my door. I did not leave my room until around 11:00am each day, and housekeeping did not come earlier than that. The room was always serviced while I was out. I did leave the curtains open when I left the room, so if they wanted to just look in, they were more than welcome to.

I do not doubt that some people at Pop are having issues, because it has been very inconsistent at Pop from day one. But I did want to let people know that it’s not always the case that a vacation at Pop equals unwelcome intrusions.

For sure. I was just relaying my experience and letting people know that getting daily housekeeping and leaving your room occupied sign on or off does not necessarily mean security will leave you alone.
 
I've seen that you say this is Disney's problem; is that because you believe Disney resorts specifically have a problem with sex trafficking? I guess the reason I'm asking about particular people being targeted is in the hopes that we, personally, wouldn't be targeted because we don't fit who they're targeting. But, I don't know; we may look exactly like who they're targeting (if anyone). LOL! We're a single couple in our early 50's with health issues (diabetic/transplant patient). I would hope our chances of having them harass us would be unlikely, but if they have no targets & do this to everyone, no hope of that. But there are so many reports of others who have no issues with this. Thus my question of targets....
Why would you be okay with other people being targeted based on what they look like just so that you aren't personally inconvenienced.

I can't even.
 
Yes.
For many reasons.
Simply, Orlando #3 in nation for problem.
Disney is part of many conversations.
Disney is the perfect location and cover,
for all the parties involved.

So I googled this because I find it super concerning, but a (very) cursory google only brought up reports of employees being arrested for child/sex related crimes.

Do you have any more info on this? Links?
(whoever monitors the google is probably really concerned by me right now)
 
So I googled this because I find it super concerning, but a (very) cursory google only brought up reports of employees being arrested for child/sex related crimes.

Do you have any more info on this? Links?
(whoever monitors the google is probably really concerned by me right now)

They aren't referring to Disney CMs being involved. They're referring to guests.
 
There WERE many checks at that hotel for that horrible person.

The shooter literally had bellhops bring up the guns to his room. Multiple times.
Multiple visits from housekeeping.
Multiple visits from room service.

What more could have been done? Nothing on the part of the hotel.
What is Disney doing that could have prevented that sort of thing? Nothing.

I agree. Even visits from actual security staff seems ineffective against someone determined to perpetuate an incident if the security checks involves merely glancing in or around a room. Privately held companies often distribute as much money as possible to its principals to reduce the deep pocket attraction to people with a grievance who sue. Deep pockets means deep lawsuits as my husband said from experience when we discussed the room checks. IMHO, Disney protecting its deep pockets is weighing the scale against guest relations. I want to be safe while traveling but my interests don’t necessarily concide with Disney’s. When at Disney resorts I’ll be using the safety latch and whatever sign is available to be secure against nefarious types as well as over zealous security checks. To be clear, I am NOT saying I won’t open the door to a security check but I will try to manage it with a request for another time if they arrive and wake me up, or I will step outside if I am dressed to get it over with. And I’ll be likely staying off site more as long as I continue to visit Disney parks.
 
So I googled this because I find it super concerning, but a (very) cursory google only brought up reports of employees being arrested for child/sex related crimes.

Do you have any more info on this? Links?
(whoever monitors the google is probably really concerned by me right now)

Not the poster, but a quick Google turns up:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ionally-human-trafficking-20170927-story.html

https://www.wesh.com/article/special-report-human-trafficking-in-central-florida/3850698

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-human-trafficking-hotel-legislation-20171226-story.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...afficking-crackdown-bills-20180208-story.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...rt-human-trafficking-bill-20180302-story.html

http://gohttf.org/

https://floridaabolitionist.org/

ALso Polaris Project information, indicators and recommendations for hotel industry:

https://polarisproject.org/sites/default/files/human-trafficking-hotel-industry-recommendations.pdf

National stats and can also pull up state stats: https://humantraffickinghotline.org/states
 
Multiple visits from housekeeping.
Multiple visits from room service.

What more could have been done? Nothing on the part of the hotel.
What is Disney doing that could have prevented that sort of thing? Nothing.

And in the history of the USA that was the worst one that ever happened. So does that mean up until the point the security in place was working?

The 'problem' with measuring security is there is no viable way to measure its success.

Its mostly about being proactive.
 
Most people that go to WDW are good, honest, hardworking people. Some are not. The simple act of knowing you will be checked on will eliminate some issues within the hotel. Some people looking to do nefarious things will have To plan better or find another place to do it. If they plan better the hope is that the next level of security will catch it.

THIS^ They don't want to be ground zero for this in Orlando and want those involved to move on. If they truly were trying to stop something, prevent something, be an active participant in the process ... they would be investing in equipment and actually doing something ... other than ruining some guests trips. They don't actually want to catch anyone, imagine the PR.

So I googled this because I find it super concerning, but a (very) cursory google only brought up reports of employees being arrested for child/sex related crimes.

Do you have any more info on this? Links?
(whoever monitors the google is probably really concerned by me right now)

Disney is a popular destination for "bad people" from both sides where no one would notice them due to the nature of the "family resort". It's been part of the news forefront and not for years. The state has attempted to get legislation in place to put pressure on hotels, but it fails. People don't want to talk about it.

Bottom line, will you not go because this might be happening there? It could be happening anywhere you stay. Any hotel, any town but especially in towns with problems.

It likely will not impact you. The only impact will be if you get the "security checks". So the best thing you can do right now it make choices that might help reduce security checks, like getting housekeeping, maybe not pick up voicemails, maybe being firm during your day breaks (two days we did not let them in and there was no penalty) if you take them. And if you are not happy or made uncomfortable go to the front desk and ask for the manager on duty - and for some write corporate. All the complaints in the world on here, mean nothing.
 
I think "ruining" is hyperbole. Interrupting, interfering with...annoying visitors... Which visitors have had their trips destroyed?

I did say "...other than ruining some guests trips."

For me, it was disturbing enough that all of my trips have been moved off-site. So I guess you can say it may have ruined future trips that I would have stayed on property. Ruin has a wide range, and yes if my door was being knocked on while I was sleeping, or in bathroom, or in my underwear with them forcing their way in my room ... yes the policy has ruined my experience. I don't consider these things interruptions or interfering .... I consider these degrading, invasive and inappropriate.

It is fine for all the folks who are not bothered by this ...
..... but it does not negate the experiences and expectations for those it does.
 
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THIS^ They don't want to be ground zero for this in Orlando and want those involved to move on. If they truly were trying to stop something, prevent something, be an active participant in the process ... they would be investing in equipment and actually doing something ... other than ruining some guests trips. They don't actually want to catch anyone, imagine the PR.



Disney is a popular destination for "bad people" from both sides where no one would notice them due to the nature of the "family resort". It's been part of the news forefront and not for years. The state has attempted to get legislation in place to put pressure on hotels, but it fails. People don't want to talk about it.

Bottom line, will you not go because this might be happening there? It could be happening anywhere you stay. Any hotel, any town but especially in towns with problems.

It likely will not impact you. The only impact will be if you get the "security checks". So the best thing you can do right now it make choices that might help reduce security checks, like getting housekeeping, maybe not pick up voicemails, maybe being firm during your day breaks (two days we did not let them in and there was no penalty) if you take them. And if you are not happy or made uncomfortable go to the front desk and ask for the manager on duty - and for some write corporate. All the complaints in the world on here, mean nothing.
No, I understand. I'm not worried at all and don't have kids. I was really just interest to read more about it.

I also am pretty park commando so I don't expect the room checks to affect me much.
 












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