Walt Disney rolling over in his grave

[Allison]

The problem with invoking a rolling-over-in-his-grave Walt as the reason behind the stance on alcohol in the parks is
1) Walt is dead (that grave-rolling acknowledges this), so we can't know what he'd think TODAY;
2) Walt died in 1966, over 40 years ago;
3) When Walt was alive, he believed the parks should change constantly;
4) Walt's position on the theme parks were that they were for families, which is a much different position than just-for-children (not to mention there are several different kinds of families );
5) Quoting Walt can support a variety of points and positions. (Kinda like the Bible, that way.) For instance, Walt also said, ""You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."
6) The Magic Kingdom, based on Disneyland, does not serve alcohol; this is in keeping with the vision Walt presumably had for the theme parks when he was alive. All the other parks, part of the Disney resort as PPs have mentioned, were built later & are include the vision of others in the Disney corporation, including the Disney family and Imagineers. They are not built strictly based on Walt's vision. If they had been, Epcot wouldn't have even been a theme park. Oh, and as a tasty tidbit--it is possible to get alcohol in Disneyland, if you're able to get into Club 33. So it's not quite as cut-and-"dry" (bad pun, I know) as Walt didn't approve of alcohol in his theme parks.
7) Have I mentioned that Walt is DEAD?

ETA: Can you tell I just don't like the WWWD (What Would Walt Do?) argument? I prefer folks state their opinions as theirs, not position them as if their opinions are channeling the spirit of ONE of Disney's creators and thus somehow more authoritative.

This really says it all. I completely agree with the What Would Walt Do thing. He's been gone for over 40 years. We don't know what he would think now.

 

[Cantw8]

sorry, just read the title and the OP...so if this has been repeated, my apologies All I have to say is what the hell????? Seriously??? You think Walt is rolling around in his grave because people are drinking in Disney????? People who drink are dirty and smelly??? Good grief, OP...you need help...bring on the points I have never heard anything so riddiculous I'm sure if you look on EBay, you'll find a good stickectomy available

 

[eliza61]

This really says it all. I completely agree with the What Would Walt Do thing. He's been gone for over 40 years. We don't know what he would think now.

Man, do I seriously hate the "Walt is turning over in his grave" line. usually it comes out whenever there is a price increase. Like Ole Walt didn't want to make a buck!

New seen any problems with drunks and personally I've seen the teenagers during senior trip week act a whole lot worse.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

I don't insist other people change their behavior... that's not my business. However, it does surprise me how many people will give their kids a flu shot, buckle them in the car-seat, tell them the evils of the world, but with the great potential that comes from introducing kids to alcohol (at so-called controlled levels) they are still willing to take on the risks... that was my point. It's actually a very good question considering how risk-averse we are to children.

I can't make my kids avoid it, and in fact I'm glad they see it because that's the real world. But I teach them of the risks and I back it up by by showing them that being a non-consumer is a real option. Lots of people do it.

I'm not so much for pushing the issue, but I think really people do take a different perspective on drinking than other behaviors. Consuming alcohol is one of the least SMART things we do (based on the actual cause/effects). I wish people would just say I like doing things that push-the-edge and I'll do my best not to affect the people around me negatively.

Best wishes... I enjoyed your comments. Enough said

FYI... we'll be @ WDW on Saturday for 9 magical days!!!

Actually, you are incorrect in this. It is absolutely not one of the least SMART things you can do.

In actuality, there are definite health benefits to moderate alcohol consumption.

Studies have shown that countries that have a custom of having red wine with dinner have some of the lowest coronary problems amongst their populations.

Many physicians are actually recommending a glass of red wine a night for their patients.

Anything in excess is risk taking.

Do you teach your children to completely avoid sunshine? Because excessive exposure to sunshine can lead to fatal melanoma. No, you teach them how to manage sunshine by using sunscreen and controlling their exposure.

So many thing in life are stupid if you do it in excess. Alcohol is just one of many.

 

[jekajekalynn]

Anyone else want a dirty common Margarita from the Mexican Pavilion after reading this thread?

 

[HelenePA]

Cheers!

 

[TDC Nala]

Walt was cremated. He can't roll over in his grave, maybe he could sift.

Did he ever get a chance to say whether or not he wanted alcohol sold at Epcot? Didn't he intend for people to actually live there? I am sure he didn't expect them to be teetotalers. Walt liked a cocktail.

 

[Missy1961]

Anyone else want a dirty common Margarita from the Mexican Pavilion after reading this thread?

Me! I do. I love those things, they're one of my "must haves" when I go to Epcot.

Is it fun to see drunks? No, it isn't. But honestly, I haven't seen that many drunks at Disney World. I see more of them on the LIRR, and some of them then get in their cars & drive home.

 

[Planogirl]

I can honestly say that I've never seen a drunk in one of the themeparks. But I don't go looking for them either.

I see nothing wrong with the parks serving alcohol. That to me is so minor compared to other problems.

 

[addicted_to_WDW]

I see nothing wrong with the parks serving alcohol. That to me is so minor compared to other problems.

Yeah, like reusing mugs, pool hopping, and fat people on scooters!

 

[DVCLiz]

maybe he could sift.

 

[PrincessTiff]

sorry, just read the title and the OP...so if this has been repeated, my apologies All I have to say is what the hell????? Seriously??? You think Walt is rolling around in his grave because people are drinking in Disney????? People who drink are dirty and smelly??? Good grief, OP...you need help...bring on the points I have never heard anything so riddiculous I'm sure if you look on EBay, you'll find a good stickectomy available

A stickectomy?! That's great, I love it.

 

[angelmav]

Yeah, like reusing mugs, pool hopping, and fat people on scooters!

 

[blondeheroine]

" Just came back from WDW & was HORRIFIED to see that guests are now not only allowed but ENCOURAGED to walk around the parks (assuming MK is exception) with beers. "

Walt did not want beer or alcohol sold @ the park...

Well, going on this logic....

Walt didn't want Epcot to be a theme park at all. He wanted it to be a community where people lived and worked.

So, who's in favor of scrapping the whole theme park idea so that Walt won't "roll over in his grave" over this one? Should we dismantle Spaceship Earth first? Or should we just go forth and bulldoze World Showcase since that's where the most offense has occurred?

And here's a toast to those smarter than the rest of us in this thread: those that are now drinking lively in World Showcase.

 

[chrismb22]

I don't insist other people change their behavior... that's not my business. However, it does surprise me how many people will give their kids a flu shot, buckle them in the car-seat, tell them the evils of the world, but with the great potential that comes from introducing kids to alcohol (at so-called controlled levels) they are still willing to take on the risks... that was my point. It's actually a very good question considering how risk-averse we are to children.

Ok, but I don't drink when I drive -- at all, not one drink and neither does my boyfriend. When we go to WDW we don't have a car at all so we feel we can enjoy a drink or two so it's actually SAFER for us and those around me.

Look, obviously no one wants anyone ignorant or insanely drunk around them -- but some people act just as annoying when sober. Live and let live -- unless they invade your space (as what happened to Peg and her daughter -- no one should have to put up with that)

 

[HeatherPage]

No problems here with the drinkers...it is the smokers walking through the crowds trying to burn kids' eyes out that I can't stand and wish they'd get rid of. You're not a smoker are you?

 

[Aimeedyan]

Can someone please pass me a beer?

 

[Dr.Snark]

Can someone please pass me a beer?

You must first declare that you are dirty and common.

Then....

 

[Planogirl]

Yeah, like reusing mugs, pool hopping, and fat people on scooters!

My list is slightly different. I would say high resort prices and plane fares , Florida being too far away and still no Ringnes beer in Epcot . (Oops, there's that alcohol bit again...)

 

[outlander]

Nothing like a move to the CB (common board?) to get this thread REALLY going

....Walt sifting in his grave.....
......dirty margaritas.....


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