Voting fraud in Ohio?

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by dmadman43
You're right. We shouldn't classify someone that led the fall of the Soviet Union an American Hero. Pretty silly when you think about it, really.

ok?

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by ripleysmom
"I look at it to remind myself that I'm really glad the freaky fringes are not in power."

No? Coulda fooled me....

Comparing the people at Democratic underground to Bush is really disingenuous. I feel the same way about the people at Free Republic.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Or something else perhaps?

http://www.democraticunderground.co...sg&forum=201&topic_id=1293&mesg_id=1293&page=


Go to:
http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04UnofficialResul...

Page 23
Gahanna 1-B
4,258 - Bush
260 - Kerry

But suprisingly enough there is not a SINGLE place you can find these 4,000 voters reappear.

Not on page 23 with the senate race
Not on page 90 for county commissioner
Not on page 129 for Sheriff, County Recorder, Treasurer, Engineer, Corner, Board of Ed, or supreme court justice.
Not on page 168
Not on page 207

Drum roll please!!!
Prop 1 on page 285. Gay Unions. The wonderful hate clause that every Bush zombie is voting for. WOW! Those 4,000 voters didn't vote for this either? Crazy crazy!

Now a little more detective work.

http://www.gahanna.org/community/profile/default.asp
The City of Gahanna website.

33,000 estimated population
29% 18 or younger.
Leaves 20,130 people elligible to vote (except I missed the 18 year olds here)

Now back to the other document and go to page 23. Add up the totals in each Gahanna district.

Gahanna 1 - 8192
Gahanna 2 - 4143
Gahanna 3 - 4210
Gahanna 4 - 4191
Grand total: 20,736

Now that's what I call voter turn out! They did better than 100% I obviously needed their secrets so we can use their voter turn out methods in 2008. (haha)

So I decided to give them a phone call and see what was up! Mayors office didn't really want to talk to me. So I decided to lie and say I was with the press. The city councilman I talked to told me they have about 70% voter registration, but no, no where near 100%.

70% voter registration sounds reasonable. So that means out of 20,130 elligeable aged voters 14,091 are registered.

Wow.. that's 47% more voters than possible registered voters.. Interesting huh?

He could tell at this point that I wasn't with the press. I don't know how to "pretend" to be with the press. I just wanted to talk with someone. I asked if they have electronic voting machines but he hung up on me.

Basically, I'm so far from a conspiracy theorist and would normally laugh at the notion that someone would cheat in an election like this. Apparently I was just nieve. How many other votes are slipped in here or there. Someplace unnoticable.

This was an obvious flaw.. but how about the not so obvious?

It truly sickens me. Turns my stomach.

EOM

i couldn't get throught the democratic underground thread. But, didn't an Ohioan come on here a couple of weeks ago and state that the governor changed the rules and now one can vote wherever one would like in Ohio?
when i lived in ohio, last election, we had a mandated voting station. But, gee--I think it was Laz--is he from Ohio? I think Laz said that changed. I don't remember, and I don't know if that would change the numbers at all or answer the questions your post poses.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Saw this over there, thought it was pretty funny

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Saw this over there, thought it was pretty funny

<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_6.gif' alt='Ponder' border=0></a>

 

[momof2inPA]

Originally posted by Kendra17
i couldn't get throught the democratic underground thread. But, didn't an Ohioan come on here a couple of weeks ago and state that the governor changed the rules and now one can vote wherever one would like in Ohio?
when i lived in ohio, last election, we had a mandated voting station. But, gee--I think it was Laz--is he from Ohio? I think Laz said that changed. I don't remember, and I don't know if that would change the numbers at all or answer the questions your post poses.

No, Kendra. The provision to allow Ohio voters to go to any polling place was disallowed.

In the 2000 election, one precinct in Florida that used the Diebold voting machines reported negative 14,000 votes for Al Gore. Maybe this is the same glitch.

The inside memos of Diebold voting machine problems were recently released under court order. The electronic voting system needs to have some checks and balances which are currently missing.

 

[Laurajean1014]

This thread could have been typed up on Dan Rather's pc?

Did anyone check the font?

 

[bobcat]

In Ohio the courts, not the governor, ruled that provisional ballots would be given to anyone that wasn't on the voter rolls but thought they were in the right precinct. These provisional ballots would be held until the board of elections could verify the voter was indeed registered. That could take up to 11 days to complete.

You also have to take into account absentee voting. Just because the population of a town is one thing there may be more registered voters because the precincts may include people outside of the city limits. Sounds like sour grapes to me. I don't like the outcome of the election but I cast my vote and so did everyone else int he state. The votes are what they are. Ohio has been under such national scrutiny for the past two months that I doubt much voter fraud, and surely not enough to sway the national election, has been comitted.

 

[meandtheguys2]

Nicely stated, bobcat!

 

[Geoff_M]

At worst it's a tabulation error. If someone's going to commit a fraud they will do it in a way that at least seems plausible. A few votes here... a few votes there. To find it, you'd have to comb through the voter rolls. What the DUmmies are suggesting would be the equivilent of the lady that tried to pass that $1 million bill at Wal-mart a few months back.

If I'm not mistaken, states usually have county clerks (or their local equivilents) recheck their math (not the same as a re-count) after election night before the results are certified by the SoS. Common sense says that a lot of tabulation errors are made at 2 AM on Election Night.

But, sadly, the DUmmies will continue to drink the Kool-Aid the continue to spout the belief that the Democrats never lose elections... it's that the GOP steals the elections from them. Instead of looking inward to see how they need to change, they will continue to blame everyone but themselves.

 

[momof2inPA]

Here's an interesting Diebold article from August:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

I don't think federal contractors should be allowed to contribute to political campaigns.

Yes, the election is over for this presidency, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't improve the system for the next presidential election.

 

[helenabear]

If I can find a link, I'll put it up... but I did hear on the local news this morning about this. They said there was a difference in votes, but it had to do with a glitch when they loaded the results. I don't think there is voter fraud, but I sure hope that if it was a glitch that they fix it for the future.

 

[Towncrier]

Experts in the computer industry have warned for years that electronic voting is NOT READY for use. There are just too many things that can go wrong with the computers used to tally the votes and most systems do not provide any means for a recount. The technology was not sound in 2000, was still shakey in 2004, and I imagine that it might not be ready by 2008.

Perhaps we should just elect our public officials by a show of hands.

Prop 1 on page 285. Gay Unions. The wonderful hate clause that every Bush zombie is voting for.

Not every Bush zombie.

 

[supermom2]

Just curious, but how many precincts in Ohio used the Diebold voting machines? Anybody know?

 

[Olaf]

They're also used them in Maryland. Boy, the Bushies really messed up there, didn't they?

 

[Towncrier]

75% of precincts in Ohio used the punch card (butterfly) ballots in this election.

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Olaf
They're also used Maryland. Boy, the Bushies really messed up there, didn't they?

Maybe the "Bushies" didn't want MD's 10 EV's?

 

[supermom2]

Originally posted by denisenh
Maybe the "Bushies" didn't want MD's 10 EV's?

Why not? Why not get all they can get? It would have been good insurance.

 

[nancilyn]

I was really curious to the answer to the question about the voting machines. If this article is correct, then no Diebold voting machine were used in Ohio.


Blackwell Halts Deployment Of Diebold Voting Machines For 2004
July 16, 2004

COLUMBUS – Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell today halted deployment of Diebold Election Systems’ electronic voting devices in Ohio for the 2004 General Election. The decision is based on preliminary findings from the secretary of state's second round of security testing conducted by Compuware Corporation showing the existence of previously identified, but yet unresolved security issues. Hardin, Lorain and Trumbull counties had selected to use new Diebold equipment this November. Those counties will use their current voting devices in 2004.

“As I made clear last year, I will not place these voting devices before Ohio’s voters until identified risks are corrected,” Blackwell said. “Diebold Election Systems has successfully addressed many, but not all, of the problems that were identified in our first security review. The lack of comprehensive resolution prevents me from giving county boards of elections a green light for this November.

“I look forward to working with Diebold Election Systems and our other qualified election system vendors as they continue to bolster security and develop voting devices that meet Ohio’s requirement for voter-verifiable paper audit trails.”

In December 2003, Secretary Blackwell released results from two comprehensive examinations identifying 57 potential security risks within the software and hardware of the voting devices offered by Ohio’s qualified electronic voting systems vendors: Diebold Election Systems, Election Systems and Software, Hart Intercivic, and Sequoia Voting Systems. He ordered the voting machine manufacturers to resolve all of the identified issues or face a halt in deployment.

Diebold Election Systems was the only vendor to submit revised voting software and hardware for retesting.

Compuware Corporation, based in Detroit, conducted the thorough technical analysis of each of the electronic voting device vendors’ software and hardware. InfoSENTRY, based in Raleigh, NC, conducted on-site vendor inspections and interviews to assess voting system vendors’ security plans, procedures and processes.

 

[Galahad]

Perhaps they'll find a link between Diebold and Halliburton.