Voting fraud in Ohio?

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Galahad
Perhaps they'll find a link between Diebold and Halliburton.

I guess I'll have to watch the evening news with Dan Rather. I'm sure he's doing some investigative reporting as we speak!

 

[snarfer1]

Well it's sad but true. Just lurking on this thread, but from the tone of these posts, it is clear you mean-spirited Republicans continue to pour salt in the wounds of these poor, disenfranchised Democratic Bridge Builders.

Why can't you 'Bush Zombies' see their hands and arms outstretched in friendship, trying to bridge the gap.

But no, you can only reply with snide Halliburton-Diebold comments.

Shame

SHAME

SHAME ON YOU ALL!!!!!






.......Bwaaahhhahahahahah


What a bunch of hypocrits.

-Tony

(still 100% behind our leaders dmadman43 and Kendra17!)

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Towncrier
Experts in the computer industry have warned for years that electronic voting is NOT READY for use. There are just too many things that can go wrong with the computers used to tally the votes and most systems do not provide any means for a recount. The technology was not sound in 2000, was still shakey in 2004, and I imagine that it might not be ready by 2008.

I just find this completely baffling. We run stock trades on computers. We run bank transactions on computers. We tabulate our census with computers. We can pay our bills from home viA computers. We can fly a lunar probe to Saturn with computers. We can land a camera on Mars with a computers . We can launch nuclear missles with computers. Bbut we can't tablulate votes with computer? Sorry. Not buying that theory.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by denisenh
Maybe the "Bushies" didn't want MD's 10 EV's?

It's not that we didn't want them, it's that we didn't need them.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Originally posted by dmadman43
I just find this completely baffling. We run stock trades on computers. We run bank transactions on computers. We tabulate our census with computers. We can pay our bills from home viA computers. We can fly a lunar probe to Saturn with computers. We can land a camera on Mars with a computers . We can launch nuclear missles with computers. Bbut we can't tablulate votes with computer? Sorry. Not buying that theory.

When you make a deposit - don't you want a paper receipt? When you withdraw money, aren't you offered a paper receipt? But no, these voting machines can't produce a paper receipt (for some unknown reason). Absolutely no way for a legitmate recount.

And did all of you notice that it wasn't some crazy story from the democractic underground. It was the truth and it just took a little while to come out.

Check CNN, Check MSNBC, check around - it is out there:

"Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. "


So this story is about 3,893 extra votes for Bush. And the only reason it did come out was that it was because "people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said."

Makes you wonder how many other errors might be discovered when the official count is performed later this month.


And for those that don't believe in conspiracy theory's - maybe you still believe that Watergate was just a simple burglary. As was the breakdown and theft of computers at the Ohio Democractic Headquarters??

And the "faulty exit polls" in Ohio. Oh yeah, I know, how can anyone believe exit polls. Here on the DISboards, people admit to lieing to exit pollsters just for the heck of it. Ohio was very, very important to Bush - as was obviously from the "outcome". No wonder Bush & Co went on record as saying they were very confident about Ohio and Florida even though the polls weren't showing they should have been.

 

[BuckNaked]

The polls were also showing "too close to call" for Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Mississippi, to name a few. It was obvious early in the evening that the exit polls were whacked.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
When you make a deposit - don't you want a paper receipt? When you withdraw money, aren't you offered a paper receipt? But no, these voting machines can't produce a paper receipt (for some unknown reason). Absolutely no way for a legitmate recount.

And did all of you notice that it wasn't some crazy story from the democractic underground. It was the truth and it just took a little while to come out.

Check CNN, Check MSNBC, check around - it is out there:

"Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. "


So this story is about 3,893 extra votes for Bush. And the only reason it did come out was that it was because "people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said."

Makes you wonder how many other errors might be discovered when the official count is performed later this month.


And for those that don't believe in conspiracy theory's - maybe you still believe that Watergate was just a simple burglary. As was the breakdown and theft of computers at the Ohio Democractic Headquarters??

And the "faulty exit polls" in Ohio. Oh yeah, I know, how can anyone believe exit polls. Here on the DISboards, people admit to lieing to exit pollsters just for the heck of it. Ohio was very, very important to Bush - as was obviously from the "outcome". No wonder Bush & Co went on record as saying they were very confident about Ohio and Florida even though the polls weren't showing they should have been.

It's not an unknown reason. The touch screen machines are perfectly capable of providing a receipt. But the printers cost money and to outfit each machine with a printer would have added millions and millions to the money already spent on the new machines.

We had punch card ballots here in Flordia. Not "perfect" but then, no voting system is perfect. Yet we had to throw them out and spend tens of millions on new machines. I would have prefered to spend that money on teaching voters how to check their chads.

 

[BuckNaked]

We had punch card ballots here in Flordia. Not "perfect" but then, no voting system is perfect. Yet we had to throw them out and spend tens of millions on new machines. I would have prefered to spend that money on teaching voters how to check their chads.

Very true. There was nothing wrong with punch cards that couldn't have been fixed by voters following directions.

 

[mortimer45]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
Very true. There was nothing wrong with punch cards that couldn't have been fixed by voters following directions.

careful there, you wouldn't want to get hurt if you fell off that lofty perch.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by mortimer45
careful there, you wouldn't want to get hurt if you fell off that lofty perch.

Don't worry, I won't fall. I voted punch cards in Florida for over 20 years, including years of absentee voting, which is no easy feat with a punch card. And never once did I have a problem because I not only read and understood the directions, I actually followed them.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Originally posted by bsnyder
It's not an unknown reason. The touch screen machines are perfectly capable of providing a receipt. But the printers cost money and to outfit each machine with a printer would have added millions and millions to the money already spent on the new machines.

I doubt that the cost to add printers would add anything close to that but maybe next election they can offer a receipt to those willing to pay a buck for one. Or maybe they could add a checkbox on your federal tax return. I bet there would be many takers on that.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
I doubt that the cost to add printers would add anything close to that but maybe next election they can offer a receipt to those willing to pay a buck for one. Or maybe they could add a checkbox on your federal tax return. I bet there would be many takers on that.

Sure, it's only my (and every other tax payers) money....go ahead and spend it needlessly. but then what are you going to use as your excuse, when you've wasted even more and more millions on making the vote as "perfect" as is reasonably possible and you still lose?

 

[BuckNaked]

Exactly Bet.

And the numbers prove that the electronic machines could not have given Bush his margin of victory in Florida.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Sure, it's only my (and every other tax payers) money....go ahead and spend it needlessly. but then what are you going to use as your excuse, when you've wasted even more and more millions on making the vote as "perfect" as is reasonably possible and you still lose?

only your money? Didn't I say let people put a checkmark on their tax returns - as we now do to fund elections? Didn't I say let people who want a paper receipt pay a dollar for them?

It is only your opinion that 'we' would still lose. It is also only your opinion that it is "wasted" money making sure that every vote is counted in our democracy. The bottom line is how can we EVER know without the ability to recount?

Can you honestly say that you have never had a computer crash on you? I assume that you never make backups of important information because computers are so infalliable.

By the way, did you hear about the NC votes that were lost?

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-11-04-e-voting-error-nc_x.htm

"More than 4,500 votes may be lost in one North Carolina county because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did.

Officials are investigating whether the lost votes in coastal Carteret County can be retrieved somehow, said state Board of Elections Executive Director Gary Bartlett.

Local officials said UniLect, the maker of the county's electronic voting system, told them that each storage unit could handle 10,500 votes, but the limit was actually 3,005 votes."

Too bad there were no paper receipts - who knows, maybe Bush could claim an even bigger margin of victory or maybe the exit polls (which I didn't happen to see) that showed a closer race in NC were accurate.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
Exactly Bet.

And the numbers prove that the electronic machines could not have given Bush his margin of victory in Florida.

What numbers?

A computer program can do many things. It can say every vote registered for Candidate A be recorded as Candidate B. It can say once you get to 10,000 for Candidate A, subtract 1 number for every recorded vote after that point. And obviously, it can say once you reach 3,005 just stop counting.

If .... then... programming. Very basic.

 

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[bsnyder]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
only your money? Didn't I say let people put a checkmark on their tax returns (as we now do to fund elections? Didn't I say let people who want a paper receipt pay a dollar for them?

It is only your opinion that 'we' would still lose. It is also only your opinion that it is "wasted" money making sure that every vote is counted in our democracy. The bottom line is how can we EVER know without the ability to recount?

Can you honestly say that you have never had a computer crash on you? I assume that you never make backups of important information because computers are so infalliable.

By the way, did you hear about the NC votes that were lost?

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-11-04-e-voting-error-nc_x.htm

"More than 4,500 votes may be lost in one North Carolina county because officials believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did.

Officials are investigating whether the lost votes in coastal Carteret County can be retrieved somehow, said state Board of Elections Executive Director Gary Bartlett.

Local officials said UniLect, the maker of the county's electronic voting system, told them that each storage unit could handle 10,500 votes, but the limit was actually 3,005 votes."

Too bad there were no paper receipts - who knows, maybe Bush could claim an even bigger margin of victory or maybe the exit polls (which I didn't happen to see) that showed a closer race in NC were accurate.

Letting people pay for a receipt voluntarily would never fly with the liberals...they'd say it amounts to a "poll tax" and would demand free receipts for anyone who said they couldn't afford them.

I'll make a deal with you....I'll get all worked up about an exactly perfect vote count as soon as you get worked up about voter fraud. Okay?

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
What numbers?

A computer program can do many things. It can say every vote registered for Candidate A be recorded as Candidate B. It can say once you get to 10,000 for Candidate A, subtract 1 number for every recorded vote after that point. And obviously, it can say once you reach 3,005 just stop counting.

If .... then... programming. Very basic.

Thanks - I'm a computer programmer, so I know very well what a computer can do and how to make it do it.

I also know that you can't take the 136,852 vote surplus that Kerry had in the 15 electronic voting counties in Florida and turn it into a 377,216 vote surplus for Bush statewide. The numbers were in the other thread where you were suggesting that the numbers had probably been manipulated by the electronic voting machines.

 

[Island_Lauri]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Letting people pay for a receipt voluntarily would never fly with the liberals...they'd say it amounts to a "poll tax" and would demand free receipts for anyone who said they couldn't afford them.

I'll make a deal with you....I'll get all worked up about an exactly perfect vote count as soon as you get worked up about voter fraud. Okay?

I am all worked up about voter fraud. It is all a matter of perspective. You are worried about people voting that shouldn't vote. I am worried about people voting and not being properly counted.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
I am all worked up about voter fraud. It is all a matter of perspective. You are worried about people voting that shouldn't vote. I am worried about people voting and not being properly counted.

No, it's not all a matter of perspective. I'm worried about something that is actually happening, and can be easily prevented (purge voter rolls, check ID, etc) and you're worried about a theory.