VMK this is going TOO FAR!!!!RANT

[Since1971]

Since we just started, I'm sure this doesn't affect us as much as some of you, but I, too, am disappointed that you can't trade these things. My daughter and I wanted to trade one of the Monster doors with each other so we could access each others rooms. I also wanted to be able to give her some things that I mght already have so she could sell. She is trying to get the Kiosk by the end of the month and has 10,000 more credits to go. I don't let her stay online that long so she has to be careful with her credits.

Yes, I think the hackers are the ones that are ultimately responsible, but the people who chose to use their services are just as much to blame, regardless of the reasons why they do so. If no one used their generators, then everyone would still be on a level playing field making the game fun for everyone. I guess I am old enough to realize that I don't really care about having something no one else has. It doesn't make me feel any better about myself. This is just a virtual game and if I don't have something, life goes on. To me it is just plain dishonest and rude to use the generators when others have been trying honestly for months to get the same things.

 

[KrazyPete]

I've known about the code generators for about a week or two I guess (I'm probably late to the party as usual). I did see the new multicode generator this morning. When I first found the generators, I downloaded one and scanned it for viruses. I just couldn't bring myself to use it.

At the risk of sounding moralistic, it's just plain old cheating. It's not a shortcut, it's not getting some quest answers from your friends, I don't see any gray area here, it's cheating. I dont really have a problem with ANYTHING that VMK might do to deter it. In fact, I think what they've done is pretty cool.

Here's my theory, there's no longer a motive for people to generate large numbers of codes and use scripting programs to enter them quickly. The cheaters won't be trying to get extra costumes for trading. It takes the greedy, selfish people out of the mix. Now, if you are playing the game fairly, you have a better a chance of winning. And, when you get one costume, you'll stop, Because you can't wear two, and other people will have a chance at it. If I want VMK to do anything, it would be to increase the frequency of the costume codes in the game now. 1 in every 500 would be perfect!

I do feel bad about the people who were letting friends borrow stuff that they can't trade back now. I hope that if you send a note to the black hole they will straighten it out for you.

Hey, what do you think you are going to do with those feathers? Is that tar I smell?

 

[cteddiesgirl]

Uh uh. The question is: How low will the greedy players sink to clean up
the market on hard-to-find items in VMK?

I think we have the answer to that one.

It's not just their fault. I do blame these people to a big extent. But, VMK created this problem themselves. They created the problem of making these offsite games to spit out codes that we have to enter. If they want to make something rare, there are other ways of doing it.
And the fact is, not everyone is actually able to play these games. So they punish those that don't have brand new computers.

Now they are further punishing those people and punishing everyone else for the few who use the code generators.

 

[Disneychick74]

wow there are some pretty harsh things being said in here and some people acting like they are the golden child.
you cant tell me that you didnt wish there was an easier way to get credits and items? and I won't speak for everyone but I am sure if you were given the generator and told you could use it without vmk ever finding out, you would.
I know you are all going to say no no no I wouldn't but come on, you know you would.
What about all the people that are planning trips to disney and trying to gather as many quest cards as they can, the VMK Rule is one card per paid entrance ticket. Some of you on here make lists of wants for people and grab handfuls of cards if the opportunity presents itself. So what is the difference of "Stealing" cards or generatng codes, that could be gotten by playing a simple game anyway, just faster. Its not like Pirates 2 game to get sparrow takes any skill, its just long slow and boring...for what? ANOTHER monkey light? I have seen MANY people here asking for the site. And you know you didn't play the entire game when it first came out and you learned all you had to do was click back, play the organ and get another code.
I think before you pass judgement on ANYONE and what is moral or not you should think long and hard about anything "Less than honest" you have ever done.
The point I think Mal was trying to make is that putting a stop to trading that stuff is only a band-aid on the problem. It is not going to stop the hard core hackers. It is only going to make everyone miserable.

 

[Since1971]

wow there are some pretty harsh things being said in here and some people acting like they are the golden child.
you cant tell me that you didnt wish there was an easier way to get credits and items? and I won't speak for everyone but I am sure if you were given the generator and told you could use it without vmk ever finding out, you would.
I know you are all going to say no no no I wouldn't but come on, you know you would.
What about all the people that are planning trips to disney and trying to gather as many quest cards as they can, the VMK Rule is one card per paid entrance ticket. Some of you on here make lists of wants for people and grab handfuls of cards if the opportunity presents itself. So what is the difference of "Stealing" cards or generatng codes, that could be gotten by playing a simple game anyway, just faster. Its not like Pirates 2 game to get sparrow takes any skill, its just long slow and boring...for what? ANOTHER monkey light? I have seen MANY people here asking for the site. And you know you didn't play the entire game when it first came out and you learned all you had to do was click back, play the organ and get another code.
I think before you pass judgement on ANYONE and what is moral or not you should think long and hard about anything "Less than honest" you have ever done.
The point I think Mal was trying to make is that putting a stop to trading that stuff is only a band-aid on the problem. It is not going to stop the hard core hackers. It is only going to make everyone miserable.

I do disagreee with what you said. I had the opportunity to use a generator just like everyone else, and I made the decision not to do so. It isn't right in my opinion. IMHO, it is dishonest regardless of how you would like to say it isn't. As for the Pirates game, I have played the game for three weeks now every day and always go from the beginning. I have never clicked back and just played the organ. My daughter and I have spent a LOT of time playing these games to get everything we have honestly. We live near WDW and we are still only using the cards that we need for ourselves. We are not gathering extra cards. Personally, this is how I feel and I don't believe I am passing judgement on anyone. Just stating how I feel. If someone is comfortable with their actions, then fine, that is something they will have to deal with one day on their own. Please do not start a fight online because you are feeling uncomfortable with the opinons of others. We are all entitled to our own opinions just like you were entitled to make the decision about using a generator.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

Frankly, the offsite games are the main cause of the problems. If they want to have game for promotion of the films/rides/whatever, fine. Just don't have the VMK tie-ins.

The creators of VMK are not stupid. They knew that there would be the hackers out there that would create the generators. If they didn't then they are stupid. I seen it a mile away. There are always people who "have" to hack into any and all games to "make things easier". There always have been and always will be. And I know that Yavn has been involved in the game world for a long time. So, as I said, he knew that this kind of thing would happen.

So, until they can create the offsite games impossible to hack, they should never have done anything with codes for VMK. So I say, they need to get over the current "problem" they have and stop being spiteful to the many to punish the few.

Besides. IMO, everything should be tradable in VMK. The only things that should not be tradeable or sellable are the winning room pins/badges and pieces of the Staff costume. Every stick of furniture, every other piece of clothing, every other pin and every poster should be able to be traded. Especially if they plan on keeping certain things "rare".

 

[SkittleLover]

I, like I am sure many of you have spent hours playing and storing codes trying to get that sparrow outfit. (lots of free time waiting to be judged in slide competition lol) I want to know if there is any chance of getting in trouble or banned for using them now?

 

[Tampa]

But, VMK created this problem themselves.

VMK has become one big problem. It's a shame as there was a point I could spend 15 hours straight in the game.

PARK ITEMS

But now, the game has prompted me to go to the parks so many times, I'm ABSOLUTELY burned out on WDW trips. I have NO intentions on EVER getting an annual pass again, and if I never go back for years, that would be quite alright with me, and I DON'T appreciate what VMK has done to the parks for me. I've been going to the parks since class-ticket days, and I've never in all that time been so burned out on the happy place like I am now. Trips as of late consisted of getting cards, and going home. Thanks for that vmk.

SPECIALS

When they came out with the most-desired sparrow suit, I knew things were simply getting bad. I understand the value of the suit and the lameness if everyone had one, but for staff to point and laugh at us, and then remark, "We're teaching you patience" . Hey staff, try standing in line to one of your games, or an event room.. only to get disconnected.. leaving you to do it all over again. Trust us, there's no way around "patience" when dealing with you vmk. And in the end, time and time again, we the gamers are left with extreme disappointment in you, but hey, you can still label it "impatience".

EVENTS AND ROOM JUDGING

The sole reasons I have quit this game after a year of playing. It can get mentally exhausting wondering if staff will decide to recognize your work, and even more so, once you've seen you've been overlooked.. again, the feeling can be only be described as brown and smelly. It can begin to feel like they're simply stealing ideas, as they've been shown here to be guilty of in the past. Creators, testers and staff alike, all have come to see things I've done, often not talking to me or saying a word. Often times it was Lion as people can't live with losing at games and report you. I got know Lion rather well from this.

But how can a room go red mickey, stay red mickey, have raves from guests and have staff visits get completely denied? It's happened way too much, and I'm completely tired of it. Please spare me your negativety on my view of this topic, THANKS.

COMMUNITY

Gamers that bring their presence into the server are the life blood of this game, for if there were no people, there would be no product. It amazes me after the treatment we've recieved and the abuse of The Happiest Place On Earth has recieved, people still login to the game. After a young one's heart gets crushed from a robbery or a mean friend, they still login. Why? Is it because they want to follow around yavn? Is it because they simply don't care and want to have everything? No.

It's because of their friends that they log right back on. It's great to see many people completely bypass the obvious disney-induced brainwashing attempts of vmk, and take complete advantage and use them as a way to reach out to other Disney fans.. that rocks. Just don't try too hard, or they'll ban you! lol.

Without us, vmk would not exsist. And yes, that means no pay checks for staff. Why not come down to Earth, swallow some of your pride, and actually make us gamers feel appreciated for the first time in over a year? That would be great.

- fin -

 

[catycatcat4]

Then people who wanted to would just change their IP addresses

you can change your ip ?!?!? i thought you where stuck with the one you got

 

[Melp]

Judging from this warning on the VMK main page I think anyone entering codes from these sites will want to be very careful. I myself will make sure to spread my code entering out over mules or time now for sure.

 

[Fonna]

I've known about the code generators for about a week or two I guess (I'm probably late to the party as usual). I did see the new multicode generator this morning. When I first found the generators, I downloaded one and scanned it for viruses. I just couldn't bring myself to use it.

At the risk of sounding moralistic, it's just plain old cheating. It's not a shortcut, it's not getting some quest answers from your friends, I don't see any gray area here, it's cheating. I dont really have a problem with ANYTHING that VMK might do to deter it. In fact, I think what they've done is pretty cool.

Here's my theory, there's no longer a motive for people to generate large numbers of codes and use scripting programs to enter them quickly. The cheaters won't be trying to get extra costumes for trading. It takes the greedy, selfish people out of the mix. Now, if you are playing the game fairly, you have a better a chance of winning. And, when you get one costume, you'll stop, Because you can't wear two, and other people will have a chance at it. If I want VMK to do anything, it would be to increase the frequency of the costume codes in the game now. 1 in every 500 would be perfect!

I do feel bad about the people who were letting friends borrow stuff that they can't trade back now. I hope that if you send a note to the black hole they will straighten it out for you.

Hey, what do you think you are going to do with those feathers? Is that tar I smell?

While I completely agree with cutting the greed out of VMK, this step seemed drastic.

I am back to my original thinking~ just sell the items! If you want them rare, sell them for a short period of time at a very high price. That way anyone can have a shot at an item, and by making it expensive people have to play the games and actually earn the credits! What better lesson to teach kids. If you want something you can have it with a little hard work! That is life after all.

 

[catycatcat4]

While I completely agree with cutting the greed out of VMK, this step seemed drastic.

I am back to my original thinking~ just sell the items! If you want them rare, sell them for a short period of time at a very high price. That way anyone can have a shot at an item, and by making it expensive people have to play the games and actually earn the credits! What better lesson to teach kids. If you want something you can have it with a little hard work! That is life after all.

good idea but bad at the same time it takes me like a week to get five thosand credits and i play pirate not stop when i need credits

 

[Fonna]

good idea but bad at the same time it takes me like a week to get five thosand credits and i play pirate not stop when i need credits

Learning to earn and save for the 'what if's' is a great thing to learn. It's a valuable life lesson. Save for a rainy day. (or new costume or magic). Still easier than the 1 in 5000 chance of getting a costume don't you think?

 

[Archetypeangel]

you can change your ip ?!?!? i thought you where stuck with the one you got

Yes, it is not a difficult thing to do and as I said earlier in the thread ...

The "war" against hackers is un-winable, you make something .. someone finds a way around it. I support the ideal of the hacking done on these games (I don't support entering a billion codes in a small time frame though). The ideal of hacking these games was to show Disney how rediculous their odds ratio is for their X amount of VMK players.

Since Disney LOVES money, they should be smart and have these codes in products you can buy in a grocery store. Take the pirates game for example, make the product have a code for each of the basic items. Then make the consumer collect 5 UPCs and send them in for a Sparrow code. More money for Disney, a more balanced code distribution and a larger amount of happy players.

 

[catycatcat4]

Learning to earn and save for the 'what if's' is a great thing to learn. It's a valuable life lesson. Save for a rainy day. (or new costume or magic). Still easier than the 1 in 5000 chance of getting a costume don't you think?

i know that i save money in real life all the time im the worst at all the games in vmk im the girl that does better at her brothers need for speed most wanted game with her eyes (yes its true i do better at the game with my eyes closed ) closed you dont want me to drive you any where

 

[allyoopcat]

I have mixed feelings. I agree that not being able to trade these items will not prevent these generators from being created. I also agree if there are an average of around 3500 - 4500 a day/night, why only 1 out of 5000 get a certain costume? I understand the value of rare things and trading and what not. But how far is this going to go? Hopefully something like this will not shut down the magic kingdom that we can play in from our own homes. It's a free game, I am lucky to have it. I love playing.

 

[LittleDragonErin]

I'm not going to pick a side of for or against this latest VMK decision. Mostly because I don't know at the moment how I feel about this. I do know this will hurt a lot of young/new traders who can only get extra stuff from these external games and it hurts those of us using the pink doors and narnia teleporters from linking with friends.

Now the actual reason I'm posting...

Here's just my take on what is happening here. VMK is a free game. It's funding comes from revenue made from the DLR and WDW parks. It's a marketing tool, plain and simple. We already know the game is understaffed. We know there are still quite a few bugs that need to be fixed (POTC anybody?). And my guess is it is a budget issue. Programmers cost money. The QA_ staff members are programmers, but they seem to currently have their hands full if they can't fix all these bugs and with all the new stuff they've previewed still not being released. So what would be the most logical and player friendly solution to the scripters? Create external games that cannot be scripted. But that takes a good amount of resources. Both people writing the program and the actual hardware used to host the program. So I'm assuming Disney isn't willing to shell out some cash to do a good fix, and is taking the cheap, quick fix in this situation. Then again, perhaps this is a temporary fix to curb something that is bigger than we can see and they are working on a much better fix.

 

[moikturtle]

I will I either want inferno back and my items to dissapear that i traded for or for sparrow to be tradeable

Dude. At least you HAVE the Sparrow costume. A lot of people don't who will never be able to get it via codes. I've seen the stuff you've got...I'm sure you'll be able to pool some of that together to get inferno.

 

[Peacefully]

Honestly? If I hadn't gotten the Sparrow costume already (through a trade no less) I would probably quit VMK over this. I had this huge determination to get that costume. I collected and put in over 5,500 codes, following the rules, and getting non-stop headaches because of it. Every night I'd climb into bed to go to sleep and tell my husband "250 more codes and still no costume". My only chance to get the costume was to trade for it.

So if I didn't have the costume, and was still putting in codes everyday, I'd give up and just quit VMK. Yes, I am serious.

I do see the bright sides of this. No more scamming new people or kids by telling them your pink doors are very rare, no more selling Sparrow costumes on ebay, but there's a downside too. The facts of which have already been rehashed over and over in this thread.

I just wish the hackers hadn't screwed everything up and made VMK feel that this was necessary. Hopefully in the future they'll find a better solution.

 

[aprncess]

and here comes my two cents worth........

I have been playing almost a year, I have missed alot of items, do I care yes and no.......If I don't have something oh well, sure it would be nice but it doesn't really matter, they are virtual items.......

When I play, I am usually always playing for two, as my DD is not very good at acquiring the items on her own....sure I don't always like to do this but I love seeing her smile when she has gotten something new....

I have plenty of patience and have played that pirate game, day and night, before, during and after vmk times, too many times to count now, in hopes of getting just one. Having two is my ultimate goal so we each have one and have not been lucky yet.....trading would have been my next option but now that is no longer available......so I will have to play differently......I will play and enter codes until I get one and then all the rest of the codes will simply go to her. Having to playing this way, now only makes it more time consuming than it was to begin with for me.

Will I quit playing............no, will I stop going to the parks............no!

Just like in real life, some bad apples ruin it for the rest of us! Is there anything we can do.......no!

As far as the people who used the code generators, VMK can try and stop them in which ever way they chose, I don't particularly like that they issue a warning that may result in a ban......really it sounds like they are saying take a chance and try it, we may ban you or not.........If they dont want it used they should state, that you will be banned and then carry out that expected result.................but in the end, it will detour them if only for awhile, as they will come up with a new, different and better way around it..........You know the old saying...........IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY!!!!


All I can say is that, I really hope that people stop doing this because before you know it, they will start putting those really wanted items for sale in a shop for some unattainable amount of credits.....for me that would be times two..............and I hope they continue to have games with codes available outside of VMK, gives us something to do when they are not opened or have closed.....

VMK should increase the odds of winning, as I have seen over 4000 people within VMK on a daily basis for many months now and 1/5000 is just ridiculous odds for that many players and they wonder why people are doing this......No one should have to resort to these extremes, for an item you can only see and if it was easier to obtain that would cut out the generators!!
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Seems to me that the way to have a rare item and keep it rare, is to make a code that can only be obtained by buying an item.....for instance, buy a pin and get a code for something. When you enter it (maybe its rare and maybe its not) or they can sell 10 trading cards, with one piece of Disney Mickey gum inside and each pack comes with a unique code for a virtual item (it may or may not be rare).....now that would be wise VMK thinking and marketing!!