VGC New Owner / Use Year Issue

[ACDSNY]

We were very concerned about wanting 2009 points, so we insisted on a June UY when we added on at GCV. This annoyed our guide since we have a 250 point SSR contract with a Feb. UY. "You'll lose points, you'll never keep it straight." etc.

Two UY aren't too bad. We're down to 100 SSR points in our Feb UY as I wanted our VGC to be in an Aug UY. I solve the problem by constantly borrowing points in our SSR contract so I don't have any leftover points to loose.

 

[forevercruising]

We were very concerned about wanting 2009 points, so we insisted on a June UY when we added on at GCV. This annoyed our guide since we have a 250 point SSR contract with a Feb. UY.

We would have made the exact same decision as you did, had our guide told us that we would not get 2009 points with our March UY.

Our main frustration was that we were never told about the discrepancies between the 2009 and 2010 points and different use years; had we been given all of the information from our guide, up front, then we would have been able to make the choice of keeping the same March UY and giving up the 2009 points, or creating a new UY (we would have chosen a June UY, which would work great for us) and dealing with the contract juggling.

The most upsetting part of this process was finding out, two months after we had finalized our purchase, that we would only get 50 years of points, when others would get 51 years of points; knowing that we all paid the same amount for our contracts was disappointing.

After this experience, we now know that these discrepancies are standard fare for new DVC properties; we just did not know beforehand and were never told by our guide, who we trusted.

We simply would have made a different decision, had we been given all of the information at the time of our purchase. Our guide just assumed that we would want the same UY as our other contract; unfortunately, that assumption was incorrect.

We had no idea that we should have specifically asked if there would be discrepancies between owners and/or use years ; we know now!

 

[thelionqueen]

OK so here's a situation I could use some help with.
We just changed our contract to give up the cruise incentive to use my CM discount, so all the docs need to be redone.
We have a Feb use year with BLT, and I was told by my guide the same as everyone else, it's a nightmare, you don't want 2 different use years, etc. so we were going to stick with Feb.

This is a new master contract of 130 points @ GCV. Should I change my use year to June to get the 2009 points? If I switch my use year can it be any month June-Dec to get 2009 points? If I do that, will my MF's be charged right away?

BTW, he is redoing the docs today so quick responses would be appreciated!

Any advice? Thanks!

 

[forevercruising]

This is a new master contract of 130 points @ GCV.

During our researching and talking to Member Satisfaction, we learned that you can only change your use year (to a new one, which is June, in your situation) if you purchase a whole new master contract; a new master contract must be at least 160 points. So, 130 points will not be enough for you to choose a new use year, according to what we were told.

Should I change my use year to June to get the 2009 points? If I switch my use year can it be any month June-Dec to get 2009 points?

If you want 09 points, you will have to have a UY of June through December; that is correct.

If I do that, will my MF's be charged right away?

Probably, but I'm not sure; since we only get 2010 points, our MF do not begin until the beginning of that year. Perhaps you will only pay MF once the property opens in September.

Hope this helps!

Good luck!

 

[Sandisw]

OK so here's a situation I could use some help with.
We just changed our contract to give up the cruise incentive to use my CM discount, so all the docs need to be redone.
We have a Feb use year with BLT, and I was told by my guide the same as everyone else, it's a nightmare, you don't want 2 different use years, etc. so we were going to stick with Feb.

This is a new master contract of 130 points @ GCV. Should I change my use year to June to get the 2009 points? If I switch my use year can it be any month June-Dec to get 2009 points? If I do that, will my MF's be charged right away?

BTW, he is redoing the docs today so quick responses would be appreciated!

Any advice? Thanks!

The MF's for VGC will be prorated for 2009 and will begin from when the resort opens or your UY in 2009 starts, whichever is later.

So, if you get a June UY,then your fees will be for the months that it is open. If you get a later UY, like Oct, which is after the resort opens, then you will only pay from Oct until the end of the year (3 months).

I believe that you will need to get 160 points to switch UY's--of course, that is what is standard practice and we all know that there are times when members have gotten Disney to "bend the rules".

Good luck!!

 

[thelionqueen]

Thanks for all the great information, it is just what I needed to know!
Just for the record, it is correct that a new master contract must be at least 160 points, but that amount is different for CM's, so I would qualify for the 2009 points and less than a 160 point minimum contract.

Now that I know the answer, another question is should I? Is it REALLY that big of a deal to have 2 different use years? My guide told me that it gets very confusing when banking 2 different use years, and borrowing from one contract to put into another. I am an AVID pre-planning and detail oriented FREAK, so this doesn't scare me on the surface. Anything else going I should be aware of? Thanks again!

 

[ACDSNY]

As long as you think of them as two totally separate contracts due to the different UY you'll be fine.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Like I said, that's pretty consistent with how things have been done in the past. With SSR some buyers got 2003 UY points (resort opened May '04) while most didn't get their first points until the 2004 UY.

I'm pretty sure the same thing happened with AKV.

Yep, this is why I have 2 UY's. I was buying (adding on) over 160 SSR points (when they ran out of points to sell that time) and I wanted the current years points so I added a later UY. When we purchased VGC we were able to choose which UY to add to. March or September. September had the 2009 points so we put our VGC points in September. I'll pay prorated dues for 2009 and we got the cruise

I like having the 2 banking windows also with the new banking rules so it worked out.

My biggest issue with 2 UY's is the waitlist. If you waitlist on 1 UY and it comes thru, you cannot cross UY's for the points to confirm the waitlist. So if BCV comes thru on my March UY and I dont have enough points to confirm it, I cant use points from my Sept UY. If I waitlist both UY's for the same villa, they work independent of each other just as if I were 2 different members.

The 1 transfer rule applies also between UY's.

Im in borrow and buy mode, so I have no issues with the banking deadlines

 

[lark]

Just want to be sure I'm understanding this -- I realize that much of this thread was written earlier this year.

We're considering a new VGC contract of 160 points. June would be our preferred use year. Does this mean that if we were to buy now, and if June were available, we'd get 2009 points?

 

[forevercruising]

We're considering a new VGC contract of 160 points. June would be our preferred use year. Does this mean that if we were to buy now, and if June were available, we'd get 2009 points?

Yes, that is correct! If you selected a Jan. through May UY, you would NOT get 09 points; June through December get 09 points.

You'll have fun using your first set of points!

Good luck on the final steps of the process!

 

[lark]

Yes, that is correct! If you selected a Jan. through May UY, you would NOT get 09 points; June through December get 09 points.

You'll have fun using your first set of points!

Good luck on the final steps of the process!

Thanks very much. Let me try to summarize what I think I understand. If I buy 160 VGC points in the upcoming couple of weeks and can get a June UY, the following will be my situation.

1) I will get 160 points for 2009. I have to use these points by May 31, 2010 if I don't bank them. That means to use the points at VGC, I'm already outside my home resort preference period except mid-March to end of May 2010. If I want to book a stay before that, I'm competing with people who have any points and I should expect my options may be limited.

2) I can bank the points, which I can do any time before the end of February.

3) Using a 7 month window, I can use the points at any other DVC resort for a stay prior to May 31, 2010, so long as the beginning of the stay is after the expected opening date of VGC -- some time in September. I don't, though, need to wait until September to book -- I can book any time within the 7 month window.

4) My MFs will start as of the opening date and be prorated for 2009.

Does that sound accurate?

Thanks very much in advance.

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

Yes, that is correct! If you selected a Jan. through May UY, you would NOT get 09 points; June through December get 09 points.

You'll have fun using your first set of points!

Good luck on the final steps of the process!

Forever, Just to update on my situation with the 2009 points. In the last two days or so, I've spoken to Member satisfaction who told me to call Quality Assurance who then told me to call my Guide.

Member Satisfaction didn't have an answer as to why I don't get 2009 points ( but she said that I had very good questions and she would pass them on to leadership-whatever that means) and the woman at QA said "maybe" it was because of inventory or "maybe" it was because of the cruise incentive or " maybe" it was because of other legalities( but offering nothing specific on what that legality could be). Bottom line, she didn't have a defintive answer either. She said to call my guide. I suspect my guide won't have an answer that makes any sense. I called him yesterday so I'm hoping I hear back from him today.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Thanks very much. Let me try to summarize what I think I understand. If I buy 160 VGC points in the upcoming couple of weeks and can get a June UY, the following will be my situation.

1) I will get 160 points for 2009. I have to use these points by May 31, 2010 if I don't bank them. That means to use the points at VGC, I'm already outside my home resort preference period except mid-March to end of May 2010. If I want to book a stay before that, I'm competing with people who have any points and I should expect my options may be limited. That is correct, but so far booking within 7 months has not caused great difficulties. Unless you want to go on a very popular weekend you will probably be able to make a reservation.

2) I can bank the points, which I can do any time before the end of February.
The banking deadline for June is Jan 31st.

3) Using a 7 month window, I can use the points at any other DVC resort for a stay prior to May 31, 2010, so long as the beginning of the stay is after the expected opening date of VGC -- some time in September. I don't, though, need to wait until September to book -- I can book any time within the 7 month window.Correct

4) My MFs will start as of the opening date and be prorated for 2009.Correct

Does that sound accurate?

Thanks very much in advance.

Forever, Just to update on my situation with the 2009 points. In the last two days or so, I've spoken to Member satisfaction who told me to call Quality Assurance who then told me to call my Guide.

Member Satisfaction didn't have an answer as to why I don't get 2009 points ( but she said that I had very good questions and she would pass them on to leadership-whatever that means) and the woman at QA said "maybe" it was because of inventory or "maybe" it was because of the cruise incentive or " maybe" it was because of other legalities( but offering nothing specific on what that legality could be). Bottom line, she didn't have a defintive answer either. She said to call my guide. I suspect my guide won't have an answer that makes any sense. I called him yesterday so I'm hoping I hear back from him today.

It will be interesting to see what you guide comes up with. It seemed to make some sense when the opening was scheduled for late Nov., although it certainly did not make me happy. But as it turns out they were quite conservative on the completion date and now a Sept. opening makes it very similar to what BLt was originally scheduled for and all UY's received 2009 points there. It no longer makes sense for GCV that part of the UY's do not receive points.

 

[Robo-Daddy 3000]

It will be interesting to see what you guide comes up with. It seemed to make some sense when the opening was scheduled for late Nov., although it certainly did not make me happy. But as it turns out they were quite conservative on the completion date and now a Sept. opening makes it very similar to what BLt was originally scheduled for and all UY's received 2009 points there. It no longer makes sense for GCV that part of the UY's do not receive points.

Bingo! If BLT opens in August and all UY's get 20009 points , then why is it different for GCV owners when the resort only opens one month later?

And my guide did not return my call yet.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Bingo! If BLT opens in August and all UY's get 20009 points , then why is it different for GCV owners when the resort only opens one month later?

And my guide did not return my call yet.

Even better - BLT was originally slated for a Sept opening and still all UY's received points.

 

[thelionqueen]

I spoke to my guide yesterday regarding 09 points. He told me that it doesn't matter what UY I choose, I will get 2009 points. Please keep in mind my guide has a history of incorrect information, but he assured me this was the case. He is submitting my rewrite today and said he was going to call me once it was submitted, reassuring me of the acquisition of 09 points. We will see.

BTW, I decided not to push the rewrite just in case the new incentives are better than the one I have now, my guide (me included) does not think the new incentive will be better than the current one. I'll post when he calls

 

[lark]

Kat -- thanks for the answers above. I appreciate it.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I spoke to my guide yesterday regarding 09 points. He told me that it doesn't matter what UY I choose, I will get 2009 points. Please keep in mind my guide has a history of incorrect information, but he assured me this was the case. He is submitting my rewrite today and said he was going to call me once it was submitted, reassuring me of the acquisition of 09 points. We will see.

BTW, I decided not to push the rewrite just in case the new incentives are better than the one I have now, my guide (me included) does not think the new incentive will be better than the current one. I'll post when he calls

What is your UY?

Kat -- thanks for the answers above. I appreciate it.

You're welcome lark!

 

[thelionqueen]

My BLT contract has a Feb UY so I'd like my GCV contract Feb as well, but if I can get 09 points I'd opt for a Dec UY. My guide didn't call today, didn't expect him to, so I will post when he does confirm.

 

[nunzia]

Bingo! If BLT opens in August and all UY's get 20009 points , then why is it different for GCV owners when the resort only opens one month later?

And my guide did not return my call yet.

Very good point..I didn't realize that all BLT buyers got 2009 points..I'll be very interested in hearing what comes of this.