VDH Points Chart HIGHER than VGC?!

[HIRyeDVC]

It’s not just high though, it’s higher than any WDW resort. I expected VDH to average maybe a point a night less at the standard level, not be the same. It’s a bummer.

Totally a bummer. I chalk it up to it being a California premium up charge? I don’t know. I’m from Hawaii so I’m used to high prices for everything.

 

[lilsonicfan]

The only thing that is weird is the marketing of 100 points as minimum direct buy in. I guess it is good for studios, but for any families of 5, 100 pts doesn’t even get you 3 nights in a 1BR with a weekend in the lowest season (using VGC as comparator). I suppose AUL also has a high points chart so everything west of Orlando matches …

 

[tjkraz]

So, what are your thoughts on whether this gives us any clue to decisions for Poly tower?

On nightly point costs or resale restrictions? I think the charts will be in line with PVB1 and GF.

As for whether or not the tower will be rolled into the current association, I'm still very conflicted. We can now conclude that resale restrictions are part of the long term game plan for DVC. VGF2 was rolled into VGF1 because the Resort Studios would have been a VERY difficult sell on their own. That's not the case for Poly2.

Still, adding Poly2 to Poly1 means that tower goes back to DVC 8 years sooner. That's a very real benefit to Disney. It also would give them some flexibility to eventually reallocate points across ALL of the poly rooms. And while the tower appears to have some Deluxe Studio rooms, it may not have a lot of them. We're living in a time where DVC is placing greater emphasis on Studios...but suddenly we may have this Poly tower which is heavily weighted with 1B and 2B rooms. Adding 150-200 larger villas to the existing 360 feels like a perfect compliment...but only if they're grouped together.

If I were forced to wager, I'd say separate association with restrictions. If DVC views those restrictions as one of its most valuable tools for selling direct points, that factor will probably trump all other logic.

 

[DLgal]

That’s not a knock on the Disneyland Hotel on an absolute basis, it’s just that everyone who I have ever talked to thinks that The Grand Californian is the superior option.

That's because it objectively is, in addition to being better in my opinion. It is a higher rated hotel.

I've stayed at both numerous times. GCH is the better property, hands down. Everything is better: the dining, the pools, the pool chairs, the barS (plural), the restaurants, the gym, the availability of a spa, the room furnishings quality, the actual mattresses, the in room amenities (slippers and robes are standard, for example), the room layouts (there are some really tiny, odd shaped rooms at DLH), the staff members, the activities, the location.

DLH is a fun place to stay, but it isn't "better" on paper.

 

[ehh]

I think they should give credit to @ehh in the article.

I didn't contribute anything to the article, I don't think credit would be appropriate. If anything, @nlenguyen should get credit for posting the actual POS photos, but the direct link is also appropriate.

The DIS post which shared the POS is linked twice in the story.

DVCNews has published stories on the significance of the Maximum Reallocation for new resorts for more than 15 years. If forum posters have taken it to the next level and assembled even more detailed projections for VDH...great! But none of those projections were utilized in the story linked above.

Straight from the source

Anyway, I don't quite agree with the conclusion that VDH will be a higher points chart than VGC. I think the evidence points to it varying slightly. Part of the complicating factor is that VGC's current points chart is not well represented in the POS's flattening. Anyway, that's for another post!

 

[AstroBlasters]

I didn't contribute anything to the article, I don't think credit would be appropriate. If anything, @nlenguyen should get credit for posting the actual POS photos, but the direct link is also appropriate.


Straight from the source

Anyway, I don't quite agree with the conclusion that VDH will be a higher points chart than VGC. I think the evidence points to it varying slightly. Part of the complicating factor is that VGC's current points chart is not well represented in the POS's flattening. Anyway, that's for another post!

I was just trying to be silly because the article is uploaded almost immediately after you provide a deep analysis on a message board where we know writers from DVCFan and DVCNews frequent.

 

[Yankee626]

I remember when GCV came out and I almost bought there. I just couldn't justify the purchase since I'm a firm believer in buying where you want to stay. I live in Boston so it would be once every 4-5 years. What a mistake that was ! My plan was to use them as SAP and go every 5 years . There won't be a discount this time for DLT . SO ill just have to wait for a 7 month break somehow . Still haven't been to Disneyland since 1974.

 

[tjkraz]

Forgive me if someone else made this point but the whole Disneyland Forward movement to expand parks has been gaining a lot of steam lately. There were public meetings held just yesterday and and Disney is supposedly in active discussions with Anaheim to clear the way for plans.

If I'm reading it correctly, Disneyland Park will expand to the north of DLH where its parking lot currently sits and DCA would expand to the south wrapping around DLH and Paradise (Pixar) Pier.

The point charts for VDH may reflect Disney's belief that within ~5 years, the location benefits of Disneyland Hotel will be just as significant as Grand Californian. For traffic flow alone, it makes sense to have additional gates into one or both parks from DLH.

(Assuming disney follows through.)

 

[ehh]

So will VDH have a higher points chart than VGC? Evidence points to: it depends.

VDH will have lower-point options, guaranteed by the Duos. There's even a chance of lower point options in equivalent rooms, there just isn't enough to definitively call it now. I can get a little wordy/long winded with explanations, but here's a summary of where I think the Points Charts will stack up across the two resorts, by Room/View, lowest to highest:

1. VDH SV Duo - POS says 16pts/night
2. VDH PV Duo - POS says 17pts/night
3. VDH Garden Duo - POS says 19pts/night
4. VDH SV Deluxe Studio - POS says 21pts/night
5. VGC Deluxe Studio - POS says 21pts/night, 2023 actual Points Chart is 23.5pts/night
6. VDH PV Deluxe Studio - POS says 24pts/night
7. VDH Garden Deluxe Studio - POS say 29pts/night
8. Tied/undecided
   • VGC 1BR - POS says 42pts/night, actual is 46.2pts/night
   • VDH 1BR - POS says 42pts/night, which feels low as 1BR are PV and 1BR is typically 2x equivalent Studio (24), but VGC already overshot the POS figure so there's wiggle room to come in below VGC
9. Tied/undecided
   1. VGC 2BR - POS says 62pts/night, actual is 63.5pts/night
   2. VDH 2BR - POS says 62pts/night
10. VGC Grand Villa - POS says 139pts/night, actual is 132.9pts/night
11. VDHGrand Villa - POS says 135pts/night
    • (yes, I think the VDH GV will be more points than the VGC GVs, even if 1BR/2BR are the other way around)

 

[Nursemanit]

I cannot possibly see how VDH is anywhere in the same league as VGC, VGF, Riviera, or Polynesian. I too expected standard rooms to be a few points cheaper than the flagship whilst view rooms would be a bit higher than VGC because of cheekiness. Disney are doing this because they know there is demand and unlike WDW, there is no other resort competition. I started off desiring this property and yet the more I learned about it, the more it pushed me to VGC resale.

It is on the copper creek / BLT level as far as the studios

 

[Nursemanit]

So, what are your thoughts on whether this gives us any clue to decisions for Poly tower?

The points chart is gonna hurt if it’s a new association. Probably going to have 1BR at or above VGF

 

[ehh]

Forgive me if someone else made this point but the whole Disneyland Forward movement to expand parks has been gaining a lot of steam lately. There were public meetings held just yesterday and and Disney is supposedly in active discussions with Anaheim to clear the way for plans.

If I'm reading it correctly, Disneyland Park will expand to the north of DLH where its parking lot currently sits and DCA would expand to the south wrapping around DLH and Paradise (Pixar) Pier.

The point charts for VDH may reflect Disney's belief that within ~5 years, the location benefits of Disneyland Hotel will be just as significant as Grand Californian. For traffic flow alone, it makes sense to have additional gates into one or both parks from DLH.

(Assuming disney follows through.)

Agree that more needs to be made of this.

Looks like there might two new entrances on the DLH-side of the Monorail loop: one for DLP (into the orange area) and the other for DCA (into the teal area):


Definitely could see a direct entrance to DCA from DLH, too.

Very exciting stuff for the VDH area and DLR in general. I do wonder where I'm supposed to park as a VGC/VDH guest though

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Agree that more needs to be made of this.

Looks like there might two new entrances on the DLH-side of the Monorail loop: one for DLP (into the orange area) and the other for DCA (into the teal area):
View attachment 753781

Definitely could see a direct entrance to DCA from DLH, too.

Very exciting stuff for the VDH area and DLR in general. I do wonder where I'm supposed to park as a VGC/VDH guest though

It looks like the PP hotel would be entirely within DCA in this diagram?

I would love to stay at the DL hotel again if it’s on the doorstep to both parks (I would settle for a tunnel/bridge to the New Orleans square/Pixar Pier areas instead of having to make it all the way to the esplanade)—but does anybody think they could get any of that up before 2035?

 

[HIRyeDVC]

If Disneyland Forward actually happens, PPH will be better located than DLH I think. Future PPH DVC site?……Maybe I’ll wait for that one.

 

[DVCsloth]

Not familiar with Disneyland, is the new Disney Hotel an addition to the Hotel that was already there? 2.Would you walk to the monorail station to enter the park?

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Agree that more needs to be made of this.

It looks like the PP hotel would be entirely within DCA in this diagram?

I would love to stay at the DL hotel again if it’s on the doorstep to both parks (I would settle for a tunnel/bridge to the New Orleans square/Pixar Pier areas instead of having to make it all the way to the esplanade)—but does anybody think they could get any of that up before 2035?

They are so much faster building things in California than Florida. So yes.

 

[ehh]

Not familiar with Disneyland, is the new Disney Hotel an addition to the Hotel that was already there? 2.Would you walk to the monorail station to enter the park?

VDH is an additional tower to Disneyland Hotel that did not require demolition/conversion of any existing hotel rooms. Its location with Disneyland Hotel is, or is nearly, the furthest from the Monorail/Downtown Disney.

You could walk to the Monorail station and take the Monorail into Disneyland Park, which would drop you off in the farside of Tomorrowland. Or you could walk past the Monorail station, through Downtown Disney, and to the esplanade, which has the front entrance for both Disneyland Park and Disney's California Adventure.

 

[tjkraz]

If you want to get some sense of the Disneyland geography, imagine dumping two full theme parks, three hotels and a compact version of Disney Springs into the amount of space occupied by Epcot, Beach Club and Boardwalk.

Disneyland Hotel takes some criticism because it's one of the furthest points to the DL park entrance. Again, probably no further than walking from the far side of BW to Epcot International Gateway. That's often viewed as one of the most convenient resort-to-park treks in all of WDW; at Disneyland it's regarded as the worst.

Since there are $200-300 per night non-Disney hotels on the other side of Harbor Blvd that are much, much closer to the DL park gate, it can be difficult to justify the added cost of DLH.

Expanding the parks around DLH would change that narrative dramatically.

The monorail trip from DLH area to Disneyland is pretty cool in that it actually drops you off inside the park. But as a mode of transportation, it's often not as efficient as WDW's monorails. I've only been to DL 8-10 times but to me, it always felt like more of an attraction than a great mode of transport. And you can't ride the monorail to DCA.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

If you want to get some sense of the Disneyland geography, imagine dumping two full theme parks, three hotels and a compact version of Disney Springs into the amount of space occupied by Epcot, Beach Club and Boardwalk.

Disneyland Hotel takes some criticism because it's one of the furthest points to the DL park entrance. Again, probably no further than walking from the far side of BW to Epcot International Gateway. That's often viewed as one of the most convenient resort-to-park treks in all of WDW.

But since there are $300 per night non-Disney hotels on the other side of Harbor Blvd that are much, much closer to the DL park gate, it can be difficult to justify the added cost of DLH.

Expanding the parks around DLH would change that narrative dramatically.

The monorail trip from DLH area to Disneyland is pretty cool in that it actually drops you off inside the park. But as a mode of transportation, it's often not as efficient as WDW's monorails. I've only been to DL 8-10 times but to me, it always felt like more of an attraction than a great mode of transport. And you can't ride the monorail to DCA.

This has me curious—the Atlantic dance hall to Epcot international gateway is .4 mi walk, per Apple Maps, the closest point from Disneyland hotel is about .5– honestly, closer than I thought relative to Epcot walks—but we usually stay at BCV which are even closer. Navigating DTD also adds time and headaches, especially with kids in tow peering at every candy and toy shop.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Since there are $200-300 per night non-Disney hotels on the other side of Harbor Blvd that are much, much closer to the DL park gate, it can be difficult to justify the added cost of DLH.

I feel this doesn’t fully describe what it’s like to have to stay on Harbor. I’d rather walk a mile through Downtown Disney than walk across the street and have to stay on Harbor.