VDH Opening

[NorCalFanatic]

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[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

Exactly!

I enjoy Amy, Paul, and Pete on the DVC show, but this last episode they did a bit of a disservice to VDH, talking about all the negatives and why VGC is such a better investment, but leaving out that VGC is SOLD OUT, your resale options are limited, and at a high price! Amy and Paul are fine with their 68 point contract going every other year in a studio. What about us West Coasters who go multiple times a year in a suite? This isn't Florida with 10+ options of hotels, and 2 resorts right now being sold direct. It's SoCal where the previous DVC option (you know the one with 48 units) has been completely sold out and hard to book into unless you own there. They brought up DVC is going to have to push hard and sell these on emotion in the parks, and not to people who will do their homework and see GCV is a "better deal". Ok, so then what? Try and buy the limited GCV options on the resale market? Try and buy multiple contracts in the same use year to get all the points you need?

I enjoy your perspective. Those who consider Disneyland their home resort and mostly go there will have very different opinions about the value of VDH DVC than WDW centric peeps. We don’t have the luxury of many options to squeeze into at seven months like WDW does. And of course a VGC resale contract will shut you out of VDH.

 

[take36]

Exactly!

I enjoy Amy, Paul, and Pete on the DVC show, but this last episode they did a bit of a disservice to VDH, talking about all the negatives and why VGC is such a better investment, but leaving out that VGC is SOLD OUT, your resale options are limited, and at a high price! Amy and Paul are fine with their 68 point contract going every other year in a studio. What about us West Coasters who go multiple times a year in a suite? This isn't Florida with 10+ options of hotels, and 2 resorts right now being sold direct. It's SoCal where the previous DVC option (you know the one with 48 units) has been completely sold out and hard to book into unless you own there. They brought up DVC is going to have to push hard and sell these on emotion in the parks, and not to people who will do their homework and see GCV is a "better deal". Ok, so then what? Try and buy the limited GCV options on the resale market? Try and buy multiple contracts in the same use year to get all the points you need?

I think its almost human nature when something new comes that you compare it with what you have now. I find myself focusing on the negatives of almost every new resort (except Riviera which ironically disappointed me so much despite being super excited about it when it was announced) and trying to justify what I had was "better." I like to be "right" and got the "best deal" whether its on DVC or a pair of shorts.

Everyone likes what they likes and to compare VGC which is so small that even owners like myself goes through the gauntlet every year to book something even close to what I want is not comparable to VDH or even other DVC resorts. On a side note, VGC rooms right now needs a refresh when compared to the GCV hotel side that I am booking my next GC visit via cash.

The Dis show while fantastic is really out of touch with most DVC members as they are local Floridians that has going to Disney as their job. Their opinions while entertaining should not matter to anyone buying today (unless you also fit that criteria). They are also relatively recent owners and do not stay for a week+ or am without a car or even travel with children. They do not represent the demographic of the rank and file Disney goers and DVC members. So it's ok to disagree with them and I dare so, you should disagree with their assessment as DVC is a lifestyle and their lifestyle is very niche.

 

[TroJo]

Those who consider Disneyland their home resort and mostly go there will have very different opinions about the value of VDH DVC than WDW centric peeps.

I live in Orlando and go to WDW weekly. I use most of my points for personal staycations/family coming to visit…
But for the first 20 or so years of my life I grew up in Phoenix and I consider DLR my home resort.
I understand and I hope you still accept me in your clan haha

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

I live in Orlando and go to WDW weekly. I use most of my points for personal staycations/family coming to visit…
But for the first 20 or so years of my life I grew up in Phoenix and I consider DLR my home resort.

Ok sure in your heart… but for DVC purchase and point use do you use most of your points in California? Edit: not that there aren’t bunches of west coasters that only own DVC on the east coast. And consider WDW to have their heart.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Exactly!

I enjoy Amy, Paul, and Pete on the DVC show, but this last episode they did a bit of a disservice to VDH, talking about all the negatives and why VGC is such a better investment, but leaving out that VGC is SOLD OUT, your resale options are limited, and at a high price! Amy and Paul are fine with their 68 point contract going every other year in a studio. What about us West Coasters who go multiple times a year in a suite? This isn't Florida with 10+ options of hotels, and 2 resorts right now being sold direct. It's SoCal where the previous DVC option (you know the one with 48 units) has been completely sold out and hard to book into unless you own there. They brought up DVC is going to have to push hard and sell these on emotion in the parks, and not to people who will do their homework and see GCV is a "better deal". Ok, so then what? Try and buy the limited GCV options on the resale market? Try and buy multiple contracts in the same use year to get all the points you need?

The DVC show, while entertaining, is still beholden to its financial sponsors and the resale market. Their livelihoods depend on pushing resale. Doesn’t mean their opinions are invalid. Just colored, like all of us. We all project our opinions based on our preferences and selfish interests.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I know that DVC is still a niche product but I wonder if or how VDH will impact the business of the good neighbor hotels and businesses outside of the bubble. Probably not much in the big picture but all these once patrons now buying VDH has to make SOME economic impact locally?

Based on City of Anaheim data, there are a total of 80 hotels within the Anaheim Resort area (out of 152 city-wide), with 17,000 of the city's 20,383 rooms. I'll see if I can dig around and see how many are Good Neighbor Hotels (although many hotels often mentioned in these threads are NOT, so that's going to be a muddy distinction). You'd also need to exclude the numerous "motel" or "value" accommodations. Still, based on the remaining rooms, excluding the 2,200 non-DVC ones owned by Disney, it would seem that the additional 340 rooms at VDH won't impact business much.

ETA: It looks like there are 56 Good Neighbor Hotels within the resort area, including some pretty big ones, so that's going to be a good-sized number of rooms. The Anaheim Hilton alone has over 1,600 rooms, and the Marriott across the parkway from it has another 1,000.

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[take36]

I enjoy your perspective. Those who consider Disneyland their home resort and mostly go there will have very different opinions about the value of VDH DVC than WDW centric peeps. We don’t have the luxury of many options to squeeze into at seven months like WDW does. And of course a VGC resale contract will shut you out of VDH.

If DL is where you go at least yearly and you go to WDW every few years then you should absolutely consider VDH. Of course compare it to cash stays, harbor hotels, and the luxury hotels further away. If your heart is set on DVC and your home is DL, then buying it is a must (financially responsible of course)!

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Based on City of Anaheim data, there are a total of 80 hotels within the Anaheim Resort area (out of 152 city-wide), with 17,000 of the city's 20,383 rooms. I'll see if I can dig around and see how many are Good Neighbor hotels (although many hotels often mentioned in these threads are NOT, so that's going to be a muddy distinction). You'd also need to exclude the numerous "motel" or "value" accommodations. Still, based on the remaining rooms, excluding the 2,200 non-DVC ones owned by Disney, it would seem that the additional 340 rooms at VDH won't impact business much.

There you go again, proving your point with facts and numbers. Boring!

 

[TroJo]

Ok sure in your heart… but for DVC purchase and point use do you use most of your points in California?

Yet to be determined. I used to only have 100 Cali specific points that I only used at my home resort, but now I’ll have 175. Plus I have 265 Aulani points to add onto west coast trips. My other 635 points are east coast based that honestly don’t ever use the home resort advantage for since family can never give me enough of a heads up of when they’re coming to visit haha…

But I guess for me personally, for vacations just for me, most of my points are used for West Coast adventures.

 

[take36]

I live in Orlando and go to WDW weekly. I use most of my points for personal staycations/family coming to visit…
But for the first 20 or so years of my life I grew up in Phoenix and I consider DLR my home resort.
I understand and I hope you still accept me in your clan haha

DL fandom created by being visiting DL as a child is in your DNA and if I'm not mistaken added to your bill of rights (I'm not a scientist nor a lawyer).

 

[DonMacGregor]

There you go again, proving your point with facts and numbers. Boring!

I added more...

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

family can never give me enough of a heads up of when they’re coming to visit haha…

Ain’t that the truth. Haha. Non timeshare people think we are crazy for always being booked out at 11 months (and of course usually have it all planned 12-13 months in advance. Hey - want to go on a vacation with us in 13 months? Our more spontaneous friends are like… can I get back to you? So we just plan to go with “someone” and book a larger room and figure out who later. . Worst case we are in a huge room by ourselves.

 

[DonMacGregor]

A side note I forgot to mention the other day.

As I was walking back to Main Street from the Star View Station, I noticed that the DVC kiosk in Tomorrowland had been repainted, had new graphics, and had a warm body behind the podium. These kiosks have been vacant since the parks closed in 2020, and were never re-staffed. The one in DCA looks like it might have been given a refresh as well and may be staffed too, but I walked past well after dark. Don't know about the big kiosk on the Promenade.

More interestingly, when I approached the warm body, it turned out that he was an actual guide, and not the usual ASA's that staff those things in WDW. He was licensed here in California, and was working on his Hawaii and Florida licenses. I've never seen an actual guide manning a kiosk in a park in Florida, or at any of the hotels. They will have a guide come over to take you on the tour, but the warm bodies are usually ASA's.

 

[MartyParty]

There you go again, proving your point with facts and numbers. Boring!

Always follow the orders given by the Submarine Leader. Sir yes sir!

 

[longboard55]

Yet to be determined. I used to only have 100 Cali specific points that I only used at my home resort, but now I’ll have 175. Plus I have 265 Aulani points to add onto west coast trips. My other 635 points are east coast based that honestly don’t ever use the home resort advantage for since family can never give me enough of a heads up of when they’re coming to visit haha…

But I guess for me personally, for vacations just for me, most of my points are used for West Coast adventures.

thats a lot of points,. That is one of my takes, us west coasters do not understand how many easter coasters own points. That is how we got involved, we went on a Disney Cruise out of Canaveral and were a little surprised when everyone at the table had DVC points. California has a long way to go

 

[take36]

thats a lot of points,. That is one of my takes, us west coasters do not understand how many easter coasters own points. That is how we got involved, we went on a Disney Cruise out of Canaveral and were a little surprised when everyone at the table had DVC points. California has a long way to go

I feel its because DL goers do not need even 100 points (or even dvc). Trips are 2-3 days max and spontaneity is (was) tradition. Nobody goes hey in about a year lets all go to Disneyland!

 

[DonMacGregor]

Always follow the orders given by the Submarine Leader. Sir yes sir!

For reference, "Sub Leader" was (is?) the radio call sign for the lead working on the Submarine Voyage (now "Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage"). That, and the radios in each of the 8 subs comprised the Subs radio network.

 

[TroJo]

thats a lot of points

I’ll start unloading some relatively soon. Anyone interested in buying any points? Am I in the right place? Haha
As an owner I’m ready for ROFR to start back up and hopefully see a bump in the market.

 

[Chili327]

Yes! I'm like I have 5 different spreadsheets with all my scenarios and I feel like I have to submit my homework to them to prove it does financially work for me over the imagined VGC contract that doesn't exist but theoretically has a price point and front loaded with points in my use year.

To me, I get it's a purchasing thread but it needs to be purchasing in reality.... it's so odd that on one side they are like the asking price for a stripped contract that closes in January is $290 can you believe it and then 2 seconds later are like well VGC is so much more cost efficient and a better investment.

I'm just beating a dead horse really but I've been an owner since 2015 and a dedicated rundisney person since 2007.... to have the Disneyland race finally return AND to potentially stay at my DVC home for a Disneyland race instead of the Marriott or Wyndham in ANaheim... I feel like I died and have gone to heaven. I'm not releasing my room at the Anaheim Inn until I get a reservation (I'm super nervous about the 16th) but it's going to be the best feeling when I do

I guess I’ll put in my two cents regarding the VGC VHD debate:
I owned 100 resale points at VGC and my plan was to add on 75 points at VDH to give me the “blue card” for that UY… I had told myself I would die holding onto those VGC points, even sell my actual home before selling my VGC home. Once the resale prices skyrocketed I had to do some soul searching. I called my guide and canceled the 75pt VDH sale I did on 5/2 and opted to purchase 175 split into 100 and 75pts.
I ended up selling my 100 VGC and it almost completely paid for my 175 VDH purchase.
So now all my cali points are direct and they can be used there or at New Poly\Fort Wilderness (assuming restrictions?).

Do I love VGC? Absolutely. More than VDH? Most likely. BUT I’m excited for the future potential of what could happen in the area. And I’ll still be happy if it stays parking lots.
I split up my purchase leaving the option for me to sell one of the contracts in the future and potentially rebuy into VGC a few years down the line. Or maybe I’ll always book VDH and waitlist VGC at 7 months for every stay and get lucky sometimes…
Overall I guess my point is DVC is very much an emotional purchase, and last time I checked feelings can’t be put into excel. And I love all the hotels because in the end I’m there to stay in the Disney bubble and enjoy the entire resort. I’m happy to be a part of this very passionate DVC family

Exactly!

I enjoy Amy, Paul, and Pete on the DVC show, but this last episode they did a bit of a disservice to VDH, talking about all the negatives and why VGC is such a better investment, but leaving out that VGC is SOLD OUT, your resale options are limited, and at a high price! Amy and Paul are fine with their 68 point contract going every other year in a studio. What about us West Coasters who go multiple times a year in a suite? This isn't Florida with 10+ options of hotels, and 2 resorts right now being sold direct. It's SoCal where the previous DVC option (you know the one with 48 units) has been completely sold out and hard to book into unless you own there. They brought up DVC is going to have to push hard and sell these on emotion in the parks, and not to people who will do their homework and see GCV is a "better deal". Ok, so then what? Try and buy the limited GCV options on the resale market? Try and buy multiple contracts in the same use year to get all the points you need?

For anyone interested, here is a spreadsheet that makes VDH make A LOT of good financial sense.. even compared to Good Neighbor hotels.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...7AyzRfatAzyLzfDSTLIk/htmlview?urp=gmail_link#