Vaping....much worse than cigarettes.

[TorchWood]

Still not buying it. Ground glass , in one , metel shards in another. I don't think that was because of normal vape shop stuff. Had to be black market, drug ladden stuff. To blame all vaping , on something obtained illegally is not good. Nor is not looking to find the real cause behind the glass and metel It would be easy to test the fluid, and or vape smoke of the person effected. I think cursading for a cause is good , but you need to know the cause first and not guess!

I'm an ECMO Specialist/Perfusion/ Registered Respiratory Therapist with over 30 years experience. Let me explain "ground glass" in an XRay. It's a ILD in adults Interstitial Lung Disease. Collapse of Alveoli and thickening. In babies "ground glass" is RDS and white out of the lungs. Fluid overload is another symptom. Ground glass does not mean glass like in a window. It is medical terminology. Like Sub Q Emphysema and Third Spacing. And yeah Vaping is dangerous. Were seeing issues now in ER with young people. And it's the legal stuff there vaping that they get from head shops.

 

[rotlex]

Natural selection at its best. Smoking bad. Mmm. Need something new. I know. Let’s tell everyone sucking these chemicals into our lungs is better for you! It can help you quit those evil cigarettes and pick up a new habit that even makes you look cool! (Heavy sarcasm on the cool statement).

LOL. Honestly. Most people are such sheep /lemmings it’s amazing we have lasted this long as a species.

 

[Sjm9911]

I'm an ECMO Specialist/Perfusion/ Registered Respiratory Therapist with over 30 years experience. Let me explain "ground glass" in an XRay. It's a ILD in adults Interstitial Lung Disease. Collapse of Alveoli and thickening. In babies "ground glass" is RDS and white out of the lungs. Fluid overload is another symptom. Ground glass does not mean glass like in a window. It is medical terminology. Like Sub Q Emphysema and Third Spacing. And yeah Vaping is dangerous. Were seeing issues now in ER with young people. And it's the legal stuff there vaping that they get from head shops.

So you investigated it? And its the normal vape shop stuff? You ,interviewed the people involved, went to the source, tested the juice and ruled out them lieing to you? You did a investigation and ruled out all other forms of lung disease? Please post the results of your discovery and documentation. Every thing posted so far has people using hemp or pot oils. So your discovery might be the break that solves this case!

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Fist i was a adult when i started 2ed never thought it made me look cool i did it to mange my anxiety then i found my current gym it not only relived my anxiety but i got a group of friends that both my mom and i agreed i needed

 

[lifesavacation]

Natural selection at its best. Smoking bad. Mmm. Need something new. I know. Let’s tell everyone sucking these chemicals into our lungs is better for you! It can help you quit those evil cigarettes and pick up a new habit that even makes you look cool! (Heavy sarcasm on the cool statement).

LOL. Honestly. Most people are such sheep /lemmings it’s amazing we have lasted this long as a species.

It’s hard for me to believe that consumers would trust these manufacturers to tell the truth about the safety of these devices. Have people not learned their lesson from big tobacco companies?

 

[robinb]

My DD20 started vaping 2 1/2 years ago while a senior in high school. I tried to tell her, as a former smoker myself, that it was a very, very bad choice. She finally quit a few months ago after she developed a persistent cough that wouldn't go away. She said it was easy, which I guess is good. I smoked for 4 years and quit all before I was 20 and quit cold turkey myself.

I am so relieved that she quit! Our trip to WDW last month was much nicer not having to worry about going out of the park for her to vape or being annoyed by her sneaking drags in the park.

 

[TorchWood]

So you investigated it? And its the normal vape shop stuff? You ,interviewed the people involved, went to the source, tested the juice and ruled out them lieing to you? You did a investigation and ruled out all other forms of lung disease? Please post the results of your discovery and documentation. Every thing posted so far has people using hemp or pot oils. So your discovery might be the break that solves this case!

Wow just a little angry? Why? And you certainly are defending vaping and your use of it. Hmmm interesting. Yes I talk to Parents of Children brought to ER. Yes I talk to patients. We do extensive lab work with a patient. Labs don't lie. A 16 year old that has never smoked tobacco that presents themself to a hospital in distress? That doesn't have Asthma or another lung disease? And has trouble breathing? But vapes? Process of elimination. I don't need to do studies BECAUSE there are so many ongoing nationwide right now. Many, many Parents think vaping is better than cigarettes. For many decades it was assumed tobacco was safe. Tobacco companies spent billions pushing that its product was safe. We know better. I'm not going to argue with you because that's a waste of my time. You won't change your beliefs. Inhaling any kind of chemical directly into your lungs can be bad. But hey keep vaping your Nicotine. Job security for healthcare workers.

 

[Sjm9911]

Again, i never said it was safe. Just safer then smoking, as was asked in the title of the thread. Yes kids shouldent do it, nor adults, but its safer then smoking and is a better alternative . Notice i didnt say best, or that quiting was not better. It is. Your lab tests don't tell what was inhaled. You take the patients word for it. I would bet, that the patiants inhaled the hemp/pot oils. It seems thst this is the common link in the emergency cases.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

It’s hard for me to believe that consumers would trust these manufacturers to tell the truth about the safety of these devices. Have people not learned their lesson from big tobacco companies?

Actually quite a few people do learn their lesson eventually. That's why despite lip service to the contrary, they go after kids so they can get them hooked BEFORE that lesson is learned.

 

[Sjm9911]

And im sorry of i come off brash, for some that smoked for over 30 years and 2 packs a day, its a lifesaver.

 

[TorchWood]

Again, i never said it was safe. Just safer then smoking, as was asked in the title of the thread. Yes kids shouldent do it, nor adults, but its safer then smoking and is a better alternative . Notice i didnt say best, or that quiting was not better. It is. Your lab tests don't tell what was inhaled. You take the patients word for it. I would bet, that the patiants inhaled the hemp/pot oils. It seems thst this is the common link in the emergency cases.

No our lab tests tell us exactly what you inhaled , drank, shot up, pills you took, etc. If you smoked THC, ingested THC we know it. Just like we know how much alcohol you drank or the Meth you smoked. 99% of patients I've taken care of in the last 30 years tell the truth when they think there dying. And by the way hospitals do random drug and alcohol screens on there workers. Especially if they think we are on "something". We get fired. So yeah those lab tests are pretty accurate. A real story now. My DF from childhood smoked cigarettes and she stopped in her 30s. Then E cigs came out so she went back to smoking thinking it was safer. In her fourth year of E cigs she developed lung cancer(she stopped smoking the E cigs then) within a year she was dead. She was 52. My DH smoked cigarettes(filterless Pall Malls) until his 30s and stopped cold turkey. He is 75 now and in early stages of COPD. Nicotine is deadly no matter how you use it. Chew, snuff, cigars, cigarettes, pipe, vape=COPD, Emphysema, Cancer. Nuff said. All I can do is educate people on what tobacco can do to your lungs, heart, brain, liver, mouth, nose, teeth.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

Yes there is.... to have a safer alternative to smoking or for others, to use it as a means to quit

I just wanted to say that a safe alternative to smoking already exists...it's called not smoking. There is not one human existence that requires smoking or vaping to survive. I know it is hard once you're hooked, but plenty of people quit. You just have to be ready to be miserable for awhile and get through the withdrawal.

 

[CT Yankee]

Not to mention that several of these devices like e-cigarettes and vape pens have been known to explode, resulting in fires, severe injuries and at least one fatality. The manufacturers will say that it is user error and that the product was not being charged properly, but in the case of the man who was killed when the vape pen exploded in his mouth and severed his carotid artery, the product was being used for the very first time. He was in the PARKING LOT of the store that sells the products. This guy was just a few weeks away from turning 25.

When e-cigarettes first came on to the scene, the big tobacco companies were very much against them because it was a potential threat to their market share. In the last few years, the major tobacco companies have gotten on board and purchased several of these vape comapnies. JUUL is owned by Altria (maker of Marlboro cigarettes), Blu e-cigs was formerly owned by Lorillard, and RJ Reynolds owns Vuse. Perhaps a few people have been able to reduce or end their reliance on cigarettes by vaping, but the real motive behind this market is to get another large portion of the population addicted to nicotine.

 

[Sjm9911]

Not to mention that several of these devices like e-cigarettes and vape pens have been known to explode, resulting in fires, severe injuries and at least one fatality. The manufacturers will say that it is user error and that the product was not being charged properly, but in the case of the man who was killed when the vape pen exploded in his mouth and severed his carotid artery, the product was being used for the very first time. He was in the PARKING LOT of the store that sells the products. This guy was just a few weeks away from turning 25.

So we should ban anything with a lithium battery then, phones, labtops , scooters etc. As they have a much higher rate of explosions, catching fire and fatalities? Or should we go one further and just ban anything thats harmful, cars, bikes , etc. Just trying to see if you atually care about the amout of harm done verses the media exposer of a few incedents? Or does that not matter because there things you use?

 

[MrsPete]

Yeah, I am horrified by the amount of advertising I see for vaping.

Yes, you have to ask yourself, "If it's that good, why do they need to push it so much?"

Nobody looks cool vaping.

I've always wondered WHY people think smoking (now vaping) looks cool. I've never thought it looked even remotely cool.

No, they don't, regardless of age. They all look like dbags.

Funny, that's the exact word I was thinking!

Vaping is rampant in DD16’s high school. It’s crazy how many teens are doing it.

Yes, because -- unlike smoking -- it's harder for teachers to notice. Even in class. You know they make hoodies with vapes built into the neck string? For what market do you think that's intended? Not adults.

Why would you do that and make it harder for poor people to access it? ...

I don't see how socio-economic stats come into it. It's an awful habit for rich or poor people.

... There is definitely residue left behind (enough to set of the smoke detector in the school bathroom) ...

What I know for sure: Plenty of kids are vaping at the school where I teach, yet the smoke detectors are not going off -- it's literally been years since we had an "accidental" set off.

Nicotine increases your heart rate, raises your blood pressure, slows down then production of insulin. And you can become addicted to the nicotine easily.

I don't know the details, but I personally saw a kid pass out in the halls after vaping in the bathroom. I personally saw a kid leave school on a gurney /in an ambulance after vaping. Our school nurse says every high school in our area has experienced the same thing. She says when a kid is brought into her office after vaping /having problems (which, admittedly, is probably a slim number of vapers), the kids say, "I feel great! Light as a feather!" ... while she is terrified at their heart rates.

Our school has increased the penalties for vaping in school. Is it worse than smoking cigarettes? I honestly don't know, but I don't see why anyone ever picks up either habit. It's a bad, bad choice.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I agree with a pp there are too many inaccuracies here (especially with one particular poster) to go back and address each one; it’s not worth my time. I will agree too that people may feel quite differently when they are in the hospital, can’t breathe and feel like they’re dying. I sincerely hope that nobody here ever finds themselves in that position from these inhaled chemicals.

 

[tzolkin]

The 3 big districts, including the one mentioned above, in my area have all had such problems with vaping. It's just the new smoking of cigarettes and I'm honestly sad that all those truth campaigns, especially about being the last generation to smoke, are seemingly all for nothing if all these kids get addicted to vaping.

From my experience it's not really comparable to being the "new smoking of cigarettes" for teens because it seems to be so much more widespread than cigarettes were. DH and I were both pretty wild in high school and even among our groups it wasn't necessarily the norm to smoke. It appears that the vast majority of students in my kids' schools vape. Doesn't seem to matter what type of kid, what clique they're in, or what their background is.

Two things that I think contribute to how widespread it is compared to us smoking cigarettes when we were teens are it's ease an availability.
1. You can do it constantly (which also, I'm sure, makes it more addictive). Kids juul in class, on the bus, wherever. You couldn't get away with that with cigarettes.
2. The parents seem to be the ones buying these (presumably because they think they're "safe"). Sure, there was the random parent here or there who would buy alcohol or cigarettes back in our day, but it certainly wasn't as common as the parents buying vape supplies for their kids.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

From my experience it's not really comparable to being the "new smoking of cigarettes" for teens because it seems to be so much more widespread than cigarettes were. DH and I were both pretty wild in high school and even among our groups it wasn't necessarily the norm to smoke. It appears that the vast majority of students in my kids' schools vape. Doesn't seem to matter what type of kid, what clique they're in, or what their background is.

Two things that I think contribute to how widespread it is compared to us smoking cigarettes when we were teens are it's ease an availability.
1. You can do it constantly (which also, I'm sure, makes it more addictive). Kids juul in class, on the bus, wherever. You couldn't get away with that with cigarettes.
2. The parents seem to be the ones buying these (presumably because they think they're "safe"). Sure, there was the random parent here or there who would buy alcohol or cigarettes back in our day, but it certainly wasn't as common as the parents buying vape supplies for their kids.

I think you maybe misunderstood what I meant by that.

A lot of younger people smoked because they viewed it as cool or the thing to do and it was more normalized behavior; vaping has gotten to that point. That's what I mean by my statement.

 

[DisneyOma]

What I know for sure: Plenty of kids are vaping at the school where I teach, yet the smoke detectors are not going off -- it's literally been years since we had an "accidental" set off.

Me thinks your school needs new, better smoke detectors

We had a kid vaping in the boys' bathroom last winter, set of the alarm, and we all had to go out in the freezing cold. He admitted to it, he's a student of mine, and we've talked about how it happened.

 

[Sjm9911]

Me thinks your school needs new, better smoke detectors

We had a kid vaping in the boys' bathroom last winter, set of the alarm, and we all had to go out in the freezing cold. He admitted to it, he's a student of mine, and we've talked about how it happened.

it depends on the type of detector, the most common type is not set off by vaping.