MrInfinity
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Actually glitter and hairspray can be had at BBB for a mere $55.![]()
Yes but we want the T-Shirt.

Actually glitter and hairspray can be had at BBB for a mere $55.![]()
I'll be honest. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. If you want to equate this to an all you can eat buffet, the person who arrives an hour before the restauant closes is entitled to more food than the person who arrives five minutes before closing time. The late arriver does not get to take a doggy bag of food home.
I don't think the post arrives at any conclusions stronger than the "data" suggest. The analysis is hampered by the fact that it relies on Disney's own posted waits, but nothing better is ever going to be available. Anecdotal "actual" wait times wouldn't be enough to draw any better conclusions even if you had 100 people in the parks constantly timing waits. Overall, posted waits are fairly accurate and the fact that the charts use median times instead of average times helps eliminate the outliers or wildly inaccurate wait times.
Otherwise the post isn't titled "The be all end all facts of FP+ effects on standby waits," it just takes a look over about 700,000 wait times over the course of several months.
Attendance is up just under 1.5% year over year but that's unlikely to cause the spikes we're seeing at certain attractions. There were similar gains between 2012 and 2013 and wait times were largely unaffected.
Nobody is entitled to more food. That is the primary problem I have with this, it seems people that have been going for a while have formed a sense of entitlement.
The person that gets there an hour before will likely have the opportunity to eat more, while paying the same amount as the guy showing up 10 minutes before closing time.
So when the person that was there an hour before thinks he should get to cut in front of the person that just showed up 10 minutes ago doesnt make any sense at all.
What about the guy who slept until noon and then *****es because they switched from the breakfast to lunch buffet before he got there?
How this all turned into a food fight is beyond me. At least no one has brought up chicken wings yet.
Many posters stated the conclussion that the system is either broken or not working as Disney hoped it would.
What I am saying is that the data that Josh posted today does not, at this time, support that conclussion.
I don't think Disney is interested in people getting to ride more rides with FP+.They've already got your ticket money,and it doesn't seem that they're concerned about someone getting their money's worth.Perhaps this new system will have people saying "to heck with waiting in a SB line"-let's just go get something to eat or hit a shop or two." I think they want to maximize their profits by getting people fed up with getting to do less in the parks,so they'll go elsewhere on property to hopefully spend,spend,spend.It also could be why they're taking it slow with any new attractions.
And the spending argument is hard to make. The person who paid for BBB did not pay $50 for beers in Germany and Margarita's in Mexico. No real way to determine, financially, who is more "worthy" of fast passes.
I don't think Disney is faulting anyone. We have the choice to do whatever we want during our vacation. Whats rewarding for me might not be for you. The concern is someone who finds it rewarding to spend all day in a park is being negatively impacted by those who walk in at noon.
If you were doing something more rewarding then kudos but now if you want to ride TT you have to wait in line.
I think if things went back to how they were for legacy (meaning that not every ride has FP and you can get as many as you want provided is every two hours or after you use it) we wouldn't have this mess.
What about the guy who slept until noon and then *****es because they switched from the breakfast to lunch buffet before he got there?
How this all turned into a food fight is beyond me. At least no one has brought up chicken wings yet.
I don't think Disney is interested in people getting to ride more rides with FP+.They've already got your ticket money,and it doesn't seem that they're concerned about someone getting their money's worth.Perhaps this new system will have people saying "to heck with waiting in a SB line"-let's just go get something to eat or hit a shop or two." I think they want to maximize their profits by getting people fed up with getting to do less in the parks,so they'll go elsewhere on property to hopefully spend,spend,spend.It also could be why they're taking it slow with any new attractions.
Yes those who rode standby waited longer.
I don't think Disney is interested in people getting to ride more rides with FP+.They've already got your ticket money,and it doesn't seem that they're concerned about someone getting their money's worth.Perhaps this new system will have people saying "to heck with waiting in a SB line"-let's just go get something to eat or hit a shop or two." I think they want to maximize their profits by getting people fed up with getting to do less in the parks,so they'll go elsewhere on property to hopefully spend,spend,spend.It also could be why they're taking it slow with any new attractions.
But, if you still want an equation, here is one for you:
Old fashioned eyeballs > new fangled gizmo.
But..... but...... but......... it's NEW FANGLED!
And it's a GIZMO!
Surely that counts for something?
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It's more like telling someone they shouldn't buy the last cake at the bakery just because they were next in line.
I think the WDW survey asking about more possible upcoming changes to the system probably does tend to support that conclusion. Or at least the reasonable conclusion that the current setup is going to be changed further.
Old fashioned eyeballs > new fangled gizmo.
Like a PP said, the end game is probably a completely virtual queueing system where you never spend more than 5 minutes in a line. That is much more likely to happen before we see all paper system again IMO.
it doesn't really have to be as covulated as thinking about "what is fair" and "who thinks who deserves what" the fact of the matter is that they made a system that, while it may work fine when only a few resorts are testing it or when there are low crowds, it doesn't really work when the parks are crowded. It's really that simple. It doesn't work. And it shouldn't be a surprise that people who are paying a lot of money to go to a place that they have really enjoyed in the past find that disappointing, or that people think it was poor planning to spend $1.5 billion on a marketing gimic that negatively impacts the park experience rather than investing in actual attractions that could have positively impacted them.